Talk:Gary

Latest comment: 7 years ago by DjKimozabe250 in topic Gary C. Bayani, Jr.

Origin of name

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The male name Gary (pronounced GARE-ee) Originated from Germany, meaning spear carrier.

Cleanup

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This dab page was marked for cleanup per MoS:DAB. I removed the following entries:

GNIS also lists the following tiny (or uninhabited) towns: -- redlinks, non-notable

I removed as non-notable and/or unsourced:

I moved the info about the given name to Gary (given name), but removed all names there because Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information and because such a list would be unmanageable (but there is a Search function there instead).

  • Gary, a character in the South Park episode "All About Mormons" -- only notable within this episode

sgeureka tc 21:10, 21 April 2007 (UTC)Reply


Requested move (1)

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move. Favonian (talk) 13:34, 24 August 2011 (UTC)Reply


Gary (disambiguation)Gary — Shift malplaced page as per WP:MOSDAB where there is no primary topic SamuelTheGhost (talk) 12:38, 17 August 2011 (UTC)Reply

Survey

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Discussion

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Any additional comments:
The name of the article on the city in Indiana is currently Gary, Indiana, so not properly established as primary topic anyway. The current setup is certainly anomalous. The only question is in which direction it should be rationalised. In my experience people in English-speaking Europe see "Gary" exclusively as a male given name, and aren't even aware that the city in Indiana exists. It has been interesting discovering the actual history, from Germanic given name, to surname, to Elbert Henry Gary, to the city in Indiana, to Gary Cooper and so back to the given name. Meanwhile the ships called USS Gary all go back to Thomas J. Gary. I think the chain of derivation is often a better guide than mere statistics (which are unreliable and subject to change at short notice). I hope that this adequately explains where I'm coming from. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 18:20, 21 August 2011 (UTC)Reply
No, redirects are properly seen as a primary topic, even where the actual title is different. From WP:PRIMARYTOPIC: If a primary topic exists, the ambiguous term should be the title of, or redirect to, the article on that topic. Derivation is not generally considered to be a good indicator of primary topic. olderwiser 18:40, 21 August 2011 (UTC)Reply
I'll concede the first point, but not the second. There's nothing in WP core policies which should cause us to disregard or undervalue derivations. On the other hand it seems to me that statistics, as I said before always unreliable and often transitory, are usually a bad guide to good structure in the encyclopedia. We should aim to provide easy access for all, rather than just optimising service to the (real or supposed) majority. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 19:12, 21 August 2011 (UTC)Reply
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC does not include derivation as one of the criteria. It sometimes plays a factor, but arguments based soley on derivation have generally tended to fare poorly in requested move discussions. olderwiser 19:28, 21 August 2011 (UTC)Reply
I'm sure you're right, factually. I note that WP:PRIMARYTOPIC requires the primary topic to outnumber all other uses of the term combined. I rather doubt that that applies in this case. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 19:41, 21 August 2011 (UTC)Reply
You may be right, but since you're the one advocating a change, it's up to you to provide some evidence that the city is not the primary topic. Until then, we are free to maintain the status quo. Powers T 20:04, 21 August 2011 (UTC)Reply
We are all free to do what we like, but if we are responsible WP editors we are all equally under an obligation to do what's best for the encyclopedia. If, for example, you agree that uses of Gary to mean the city in Indiana possibly do not outnumber all other uses of the term combined, you ought in honesty to act on that, irrespective of what I say. This isn't a personal contest. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 20:29, 21 August 2011 (UTC)Reply
(after ec2x) From May-2011 including the partial month of August through the 20th, Gary, Indiana had a total of 97,764 hits. For the same period, the total for all the other pages listed on the disambiguation page (not including the see also section), was 45,481. The closest single page, which accounted for a large portion of the latter figure, was Gary: Tank Commander with a total of 31,977 for the period. So clearly, by the criteria of much more likely than any other, and more likely than all the others combined, Gary, Indiana has a comfortable margin. However, another way of looking at the data does give some reason for pause. For that period, there were 6320 hits on the Gary redirect and 2265 hits on Gary (disambiguation), indicating that a little over 1/3 of those who use the Gary redirect opt to go on to the disambiguation page (although that might overstate the matter as some portion of those hitting the disambiguation page may have come from other sources). olderwiser 20:36, 21 August 2011 (UTC)Reply
I'm amused to hear about the statistics for Gary: Tank Commander, which I hadn't expected. But anyway, I think I'll leave it there. Thank you for your conversation. I'll let things take their course. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 21:38, 21 August 2011 (UTC)Reply
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Requested move (again)

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The result of the move request was: not moved and please assume good faith and use civility in move proposals. -- JHunterJ (talk) 17:42, 12 March 2012 (UTC)Reply


Gary (disambiguation)Gary – What a stupid redirect. It just goes to show how dumb people are, thinking 'Gary' is more known for being some minor settlement in the middle of nowhere, than being a given name. The last 90 days, the page barely reached 1300 hits in a single day [1]. Gary Lineker surpassed the 3000 mark 7 times during the same period [2], thus a more popular Gary. Of course a disambiguation page isn't gonna score many hits, they're there to guide people who are vague with their searches.

As been mentioned before, the page title is 'Gary, Indiana'. Hell, even the infobox labels it 'City of Gary, Indiana'. Try applying some common sense before opposing the move. [3] VEOonefive 11:40, 5 March 2012 (UTC)Reply

Has something changed since August? —Tamfang (talk) 00:19, 6 March 2012 (UTC)Reply
Unless a person with the given name is commonly known in reliable sources as simply "Gary", the usage is unambiguous and the page views for such persons are irrelevant. olderwiser 01:02, 6 March 2012 (UTC)Reply
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Requested move (3)

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The result of the move request was: move. -- tariqabjotu 06:54, 4 September 2013 (UTC)Reply


Gary (disambiguation)Gary – Let's ignore all rules for a while and apply some common sense, everyone got too caught up in petty bureaucracy last time it seemed.

When you think of the word 'Gary', what do you think of; a city that's not in the top 300 population-wise in the USA and just 7th in Indiana (2010 census) with little administrative significance, or someone with that name? Let's not forget that Gary (IN) was named after a Gary, or be it a family name. If the place in Indiana is the primary Gary, how come the Wikipedia article isn't just that, like with San Francisco et al? To be honest, I have never heard of the place before I came across this and I'm sure many people would assume the same (yeah original research is frowned upon round these parts, especially when it's speculative). Regina is a disambiguation page and its leading article is the given name (which I've never heard either, thought it was a Latin title), not the capital of Saskatchewan. In Regina's case, it's the opposite of the Gary situation; an obscure name taking some precedence over a major city but at least it is a disambiguation.

It's not the original Gary, whether it is the most-known is debatable. VEOonefive 20:47, 27 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

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Gary C. Bayani, Jr.

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Data. DjKimozabe250 (talk) 06:30, 7 January 2017 (UTC)Reply