The Signpost: 1 November 2020Edit

About NSNEdit

Sorry about the unexplained revert, I have hit Enter for changing the edit summary and you reverted back before I was able to Undo.

National Significant Number is already redirecting to E.164. The E.164 § Geographic areas section uses the terms National (Significant) with the term Number implied, as the following E.164 § Global Services table is using.

This document from ITU uses the NSN accronym:

The title of this document Annex to ITU Operational Bulletin No. 994 – 15.XII.2011 is


and Note 6 in that document explains the term.

Actually, the document E.164 (11/2010) The international public telecommunication numbering plan (Annex 3 Page 16) linked in E.164 states that at the National level (which is described in E.164 § Geographic areas), the number is made of the National Destination Code (NDC) + Subscriber Number (SN), referenced as the National (significant) number.

The accronym is also used in a lot of references. This is what made me revert your revert: I encountered the accronym and could not find it in the disambiguation page NSN.

Would it be better to add a header cell line in the E.164 § Geographic areas table specifying that the NDC + SN = NSN ?

Caption text
National (significant) number (NSN)
National Destination Code (NDC) Subcriber Number (SN)

Procule (talk) 23:52, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

That's all well and good, but the article itself still needs to support the claimed usage as initialism. olderwiser 23:59, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Beechwood (disambiguation)Edit

I would like to ask for explanations of your recent changes in Beechwood (disambiguation):
1. Why did you revert my removal of Beachwood, New Jersey and Beachwood, Ohio there? These two places have nothing to do with this article which is titled Beechwood (with "ee"), not Beachwood (with "ea").
2. Why did you remove the wikipedia-links for The Marvelettes and The Zombies that I added?
3. Why did you change the link Beechwood Park School to Beechwood Park (mansion)? Even though the wikipedia-article is called after the former mansion it is now one of the buildings of the Beechwood Park School.
4. Why did you remove the wikipedia-link for Hertfordshire that I added?
Stillbusy (talk) 06:21, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

@Stillbusy:, I don't recall all the details of what I might have been thinking.
olderwiser 18:43, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

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Removal of Certified Coastal PractitionerEdit

Good morning, I am trying to understand why you removed my addition to CCP: Certified Coastal Practitioner. I would be grateful if you could explain. For your information, I have re-instated it as I can see no reason to invalidate it. Thank you Biosedman (talk) 16:00, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

  • @Biosedman: Disambiguation pages are not a directory. Each entry on a disambiguation page must have a blue link to an article that supports the claimed usage. olderwiser 16:22, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your explanation. I will develop an article entitled 'Coastal Zone Foundation' that supports the usage. Biosedman (talk) 16:50, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Bkonrad!Edit

I am a new Wikipedian, and do you have any advice? I am a SNURPLE (talk) 20:59, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Wiki StalkingEdit

Please refrain from WP:HOUND the edits that I have made. I have put general citations to the links that I have provided. It is obvious that you have no education in such topics. Please stop being disruptive. Zongqi (talk) 01:10, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

@Zongqi: Not sure what hounding you're on about. Your edits to pages Five elements and Gogyo are not appropriate per WP:disambiguation and WP:MOSDAB guidelines. References do not belong on disambiguation pages. An existing article must support the claimed usage. olderwiser 01:31, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, not Shaw what is happening, in the middle of clarification of Gogyo and Godai, with internal links but had not finished. Please explain. Zongqi (talk) 02:48, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Also on I have included a definition of Godai and Gogyo with internal links, I am not sure what you need for me to move forward with contribution to the pages. Zongqi (talk) 02:54, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

  This is your only warning; if you remove or blank page contents or templates from Wikipedia again, as you did at gogyo, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Zongqi (talk) 06:28, 28 November 2020 (UTC) Due to blanking my additions for this page mid editing. Please take it to talk in the future

  This is your only warning; if you remove or blank page contents or templates from Wikipedia again, as you did at fiveelements, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Zongqi (talk) 06:31, 28 November 2020 (UTC) please take it to talk.

  This is your only warning; if you remove or blank page contents or templates from Wikipedia again, as you did at Five Elements, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Zongqi (talk) 06:37, 28 November 2020 (UTC) Please stop reverting the eddits to the page, as they were internal links.

The Signpost: 29 November 2020Edit

PTM on disambiguation pagesEdit

Hi, I have some questions for you regarding disambiguation pages. I had added video game character King Hippo to the Hippo (disambiguation) page and Glow Wrestling's Major Tanya to the Major disambiguation pages, but people removed them saying they were PTM. But when I added He-man cartoon's Beast Man and G.I.Joe cartoon's Tunnel Rat to the Beast and Rat (disambiguation) pages they remained on the list. Also when I added Sloppy Joe to the Sloppy (disambiguation) page it was removed as someone said it was a PTM. Yet on the Boston (disambiguation) page Boston Pizza and Boston Cream Pie remained on the Boston disambiguation page and I don't see how that would be different than having Sloppy Joe on the Sloppy disambiguation page. I think because of this my entries should have remained on the pages, and the people who said that they are PTM and shoudn't be included are wrong. Please let know your thoughts on this. Davidgoodheart (talk) 01:51, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

@Davidgoodheart: If the subject is not commonly known (or is unlikely to be searched for) by the simple term, then the subject is unambiguous and doesn't belong on the disambiguation page. Unfortunately, there is no absolute way to measure this and as a result there is some subjectivity involved. In other words, if "Sloppy Joe" is not commonly known as simply "Sloppy", there is no reason to include as an entry on the page. olderwiser 02:11, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Five elementsEdit

Hello, you reverted a edit on five elements The reason was that it was not in the article that was linked article, please find attached article, in the lead is the Gogyo. Thanks.,and%20as%20a%20nature%20religion. Zongqi (talk) 19:10, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes, but there is still no mention of Shinto being ambiguous with the term "five elements". olderwiser 19:40, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Gogyo means Five Elements in Japanese, Go=five, Gyo =phase or Element, the cited article Shunto has it in its lead. Not understanding where you are going with this one, please explain. Thanks Zongqi (talk) 20:24, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Your saying that some foreign term has some meaning does not establish ambiguity in English language. Further, the lead says Shinto is based on the Gogyo Gogen doctrine which does not mean it is ambiguous with that term. olderwiser 20:31, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Sorry in Japanese Five Elements is Gogyo? Zongqi (talk) 20:52, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

五 five, 行 Elements here is the Kanji for it if that helps

Zongqi (talk) 21:51, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
I don't doubt that Gogyo means five elements. Point is that the article on Shinto on mentions that terms (unlinked) as doctrinal basis. It doesn't establish ambiguity with Shinto. And aside from the passing mention you added, there is no further discussion of it in the article. olderwiser 23:06, 2 December 2020 (UTC) Please find link to citation. Gogyo and the five elements. Here is the citation. Please read as I can find many more. This page needs to link to this reference, thanks Zongqi (talk) 23:36, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes I added that because that is my speciality and it is backed by a citation. When I look at all your edits they have also been done by you, so your point is and relivence ?. Regards Zongqi (talk) 23:42, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

The article itself needs to describe this. olderwiser 23:52, 2 December 2020 (UTC) Here is also the setsu, I can give a list of seems that your intention is to be disruptive and of deliberately interference if you wish to remove my edits in the future please take it to talk.   You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you remove or blank page content or templates from Wikipedia, as you did at Five Elements. Zongqi (talk) 05:20, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

GogyoEdit You have deleted my edite, The reason was that it was not in the article that was linked ,please find attached article, in the lead is the Gogyo. Thanks. I have reverted it , please take it to talk. Regards.,and%20as%20a%20nature%20religion Zongqi (talk) 19:18, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes, your edits are not aligned with WP:MOSDAB. olderwiser 19:41, 2 December 2020 (UTC) Please find link to citation. Gogyo and the five elements.please find attached. Zongqi (talk) 23:34, 2 December 2020 (UTC)


Why do you insist on deleting my entry there, with no explanation? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:03, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

The entry is not ambiguous, which what I said in edit summary. What further explanation do you need? olderwiser 14:57, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
Fine. Now, why did you rub out the link to W. C. Fields? Not everyone knows who that is. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:54, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
Because it is irrelevant for disambiguation of the term Poppy. WP:MOSDAB specifies there should be only one blue link per entry. olderwiser 19:18, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
I apologize for offending you, the page's owner. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:21, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
I was not offended by your edits, but you're pushing close incivility with false accusations of ownership. The are guidelines for disambiguation pages and they apply to all. 11:04, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Diplomatic messages are appreciatedEdit

@Bkonrad. Your recent edit on article "Fraser River (Le Val-Saint-François) includes the following message: "(cleanup after editor incapable or unwilling to follow guidelines)". Your message is false and disrespectful for your colleague. Rather, your corrections are your own style. In this article, the content of my creation was very appropriate in accordance with the general guidelines.-- Gaétan Veillette 01:51, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Veillg1 (talkcontribs)
Sorry, but you been making the same bad sorts of edits in apparently deliberate ignorance of guidelines for a very long time. olderwiser 02:17, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Sorry. You seem to be hiding behind your interpretation of the rule to apply your own style. Some of your corrections on WP create a lot of criticism from other internet users who complain about it on your talk page. Please stop erasing the good work of your colleagues. And do not put any more disrespectful messages towards your colleagues.Gaétan Veillette 03:30, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
No, sorry. I will continue to apply the existing guidelines regardless of you deliberate ignorance of them. olderwiser 03:33, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
For your benefit... I take pride in applying good writing rules. It is my intention to continue on the right way to do things. Your intransigence is counterperforming and is not in line with WP's rule of respecting your colleagues. Gaétan Veillette 03:44, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
I take pride in applying good writing rules Ha, that's hilarious. Most of your articles are an embarrassing mess of badly translated French, with much original research based on your on your own reading of maps and other primary sources, heavily overlinked and repetitious links, numerous redlinks and erroneous links. Bringing them into somewhat closer alignment with existing guidelines is what I try to do. Your intransigence in making even rudimentary efforts to follow style guidelines is epitome of intransigence. olderwiser 03:57, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Your words are rude, false and disrespectful. I request an immediate apology. You're trying to distract from your unwarranted deletions on WP.Gaétan Veillette 19:17, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Don't hold your breathe waiting. Nothing you've said suggests there have been any unwarranted deletions on my part. olderwiser 20:26, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Bishen clean upEdit

Excuse me ! You have just cleaned up the information I provided in the 'Bishen' title. Approximately 300000.00 people lives in north India having surname ' Bishen '.Do you think this information is false or unnecessary ? I have also provided link of Book name for reference and just added the information and have not touched older description.

So please review it again and revert.Thank You Pravin Singh (talk) 03:04, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 December 2020Edit


why won't you allow Monroe City, MO to be included under the heading of Titletown? the local media refer to our community as such. We have many more state championships than others listed in the heading. Why do you keep deleting? what evidence do you want to see? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:59, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

The article makes no mention of this. olderwiser 05:39, 12 January 2021 (UTC)


Why won't you allow me to add Monroe City, MO to the Titletown page? None of the other entries are supported with links The local news sportscaster has called Monroe City Titletown for 20 years. It's referred to in local newspapers and sports broadcasts Ironman73 (talk) 13:04, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean. All of the other entries have the nickname explicitly mentioned in the Wikipedia article. That is the criteria for WP:DABMENTION. There is nothing in the article for Monroe City, Missouri that suggests it is known by this nickname. olderwiser 17:33, 14 January 2021 (UTC)



can I ask why you've reverted my changes? Connective as a page can be more put to use as just the referral page to other topics that is now.

I have made a change to inform on Connective as a software provider, much like this page:

So I would like to know why my changes have been made undone.

Thank you.

Regards, Vandercross Vandercross (talk) 17:21, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Vandercross If you want to write an article about the company, don't overwrite the existing disambiguation page. olderwiser 17:57, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Bkonrad I left all elements of the previous page and yet you reverted my changes again. I did not overwrite the page like you mentioned above. Vandercross (talk) 13:18, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
Vandercross That's not how disambiguation pages work. Because connective is ambiguous, you need to create the new article at a different title such as Connective (company). Then you can add a link to that new article as an entry on the disambiguation page. olderwiser 14:27, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

V2 Radio & V2 the bandEdit

V2 punk band formed in 1977, Manchester Uk (talk) 01:23, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

    • I have taken out this band, as if V2 Radio is deemed irrelevant by you - and I do not hope this is not another case of an American disregarding British is the case on here 99% of the time (even with all the info on Radio Today) must be this band must be an irrelevance too as there is no article about them, no mention of them in any linked article.

V2 RadioEdit

In Sussex, V2 Radio was set up to fill the gap vacated by both Wessex FM and Spirit FM, with test transmissions starting in West Sussex in December 2020, and the new service launching fully on 18 January 2021.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9]

The Signpost: 31 January 2021Edit


re Warder -- Please explain your objection to sceptre reference. The word has that meaning also. Gershonmk (talk) 11:52, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Gershonmk, there's nothing in the sceptre article that indicates it is known as warder. olderwiser 12:31, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

see the second definition here Gershonmk (talk) 19:04, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Gershonmk That's nice, but disambiguation pages are not dictionaries. The rule is that the linked wikipedia article must support the claimed usage. olderwiser 19:09, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Cal disambigEdit

What's the objection to alphabetical headers?
Vmavanti (talk) 17:42, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

I've no strong opinion. I object to the mass removal of so many entries. A small sampling showed many of the removals were without any basis. olderwiser 17:44, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Good, we're agreed on alphabetical headers. We're agreed that we'd don't have strong opinions. Let's go over the entries one at a time.
Vmavanti (talk) 18:47, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
"I object." You object? Who are you, the queen of England? Is this is a baseless objection or is there some reasoning behind it? I guess you have strong opinions (feelings?) after all, otherwise you wouldn't have blanked an entire page of edits it took me over an hour to do. Your ambiguous edit summary said that my edit was "too extreme". You said nothing about my reasoning. Does that mean you believe there is a rule on Wikipedia about the quantity of information one is allowed to edit? If there is such a rule, can you show it to me? If there is such a rule, didn't you break it when you reverted all of my edits, rather than reverting and then discussing one or two or three items? Wholesale reverts strike me as incredibly uncivil, especially when not followed by polite, rational discussion. If no such rule exists, would you revert my edits back to what they were?
Vmavanti (talk) 18:15, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!Edit


Have you had a chance to ponder the questions I asked last week? Starting with: What is the argument against alphabetical headers? I have more questions. How long have you disambiguating? What are your guiding principles? What rules are you following? These are not rhetorical. Can you explain your reluctance and refusal to answer my questions and engage in something approaching a conversation? I'm not being sarcastic. I really am interested in hearing your answers, and I remain puzzled by your reluctance. A quick glance at this page shows a lot of conflict. Why is that?
Vmavanti (talk) 03:11, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Extreme deletion by Bkonrad, while editing DDL disambiguation pageEdit

Please refrain from draconian undoing of accurate bonafide contributions. If the removal of a reference is what you meant to do, laziness from your part does not justify deleting the rest of an entry, that is proper and appropriate. Thank you (talk) 12:55, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

The term you added failed WP:DABMENTION. olderwiser 13:29, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
It does not now. I suggest you do constructive editing as opposed to destructive editing, for a better Wikipedia and for everybody's sake. (talk) 14:18, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
Or you can check your edits and not expect others to cleanup after you. olderwiser 14:48, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
You need to check your edits and not expect others to cleanup after you. Please read current updated linked articles, before making haste deletions. Thank you. (talk) 14:59, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Disambiguation PagesEdit

Hi Bkonrad,

I'm new to editing Wikipedia and didn't realize the proper way to edit disambiguation pages. I noticed you were removing my edits, so I went and read the Wiki page to understand what I was doing incorrectly. I've read the page now, and will stop making those types of edits. Just wanted to let you know, and to say thanks for understanding. Blockchained (talk) 23:39, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 February 2021Edit

Talk:Apple (disambiguation) revert and revert of revertEdit

Just curious how/why you did this. Thanks for the correction. --В²C 02:17, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Clumsy tablet use. Pen sometimes "sticks" on the rollback link before I even realize it. olderwiser 02:27, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

The great oneEdit

Why the deletion of all information? It's kind of strange that would be deleted as I start doing research underneath theory of Nostradamus — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:40, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Never Gonna Give You Up (disambiguation)Edit

Hi, You reverted my addition of the Royals song of the same name. Why should that item be excised when the Isaac Hayes, Black Keys and Patrice Rushen ones are included? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Merrick102 (talkcontribs) 20:55, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

@Merrick102:, there is at present no article supporting the usage. The song is not mentioned in the article for The Royals (band). olderwiser 21:13, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Primacy, and rest of the worldEdit

Perth, australia - is incorrect - there is more than one in Australia, why the ease of reverting? rest of the world? quite a few editors came to some grief over the primacy issue against the scottish perth, why not discuss first, or is there a problem?

JarrahTree 00:23, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

ahh, I see - it is an obvious sign you havent forgot when one finds: curprev 03:20, 16 December 2015‎ Bkonrad talk contribs‎ 55 bytes −18‎ Restore target to what most of the world would expect to find at this

the point is it is inaccurate - and I fail to see where what most of the world would expect has anything to do with protocols of place names in Australia... JarrahTree 00:28, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, but when the primary topic for Perth is the city in Western Australia, it is absolutely bonkers to have Perth, Australia as a disambiguation page. 02:00, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
Fair enough - thanks for the reply - I fundamentally disagree with the primacy crap that was overtaking the wikipedia space about 6 years ago or so - and it will in its own way find a morass and chaos once the wikidata/short description/structured data flood sort of makes some primacy ideas totally redundant (imho - specially a lot of the category rubbish). Hey - have a good one, our surviving local active admin (sic) has fixed the talk page of the redirect there. JarrahTree 02:29, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Question re. Marion Brown editEdit

Hi, I was just curious as to why you changed the title of my recently-created Marion Brown / Why Not Page. The Marion Brown discogs entry (, the title on the back cover of the album (, and the entry in the MB discography ( all display the title without a question mark. I'm not challenging you, I'm just trying to understand your criteria for the change. Thanks for your time. Regards, Helen Puffer Thwait (talk) 01:19, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Black Diamonds (Band)Edit

Hello Bkonrad

Sorry for disturbing you. A few months ago I added the english translation for the german page:

The page was deleted for reasons G4 and G11, which you can see here:

Now the new album 'No-Tell Hotel' entered the charts in Switzerland at #3 last week, which should not make the content irrelevant anymore? And since there are a lot of followers in non-german speaking countries (Italy, UK, France, Spain) it was the idea to have information on the group available in english language. Do you see a chance to bring the page back? Maybe if the text is completely rewritten?

Best regards Starchild11 (talk) 15:04, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Walter PalmerEdit

I drafted a lengthy article on Walter Palmer a year ago and never got around to posting it. I redlinked his name to post that article. Have you a suggestion as to what you feel is the best way to proceed? Activist (talk) 10:24, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Could try WP:articles for creation.
That doesn't solve the problem with putting him on the disambiguation page without being sent to the Killing of Cecil article. His life didn't begin and end with Cecil. Activist (talk) 10:49, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
Not sure why that's a problem. At present there is only the one article with any significant coverage of the dentist. It appears to be classic case of WP:ONEEVENT, unless his subsequent killing of an endangered species of Mongolian ram is also considered. olderwiser 11:55, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
He has a long history of such behavior. Cecil was simply the most notorious, the one that earned him worldwide opprobrium. He also didn't do it just by himself, much of the time. Activist (talk) 22:30, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 March 2021Edit

Location where this person was last seenEdit

Do you know where this person Jacques Vergès disappeared from and was last seen before turning up many years later? I need this information so I can add a category to his article. Davidgoodheart (talk) 06:35, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

I knew nothing at all about this person until your message. I wouldn't know where to begin. olderwiser 00:23, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Reverted redirect of docker to stevedoreEdit

Hi, reverted your redirect of docker to stevedore; please see and discuss on Talk:Docker; ’preciate it!  —PowerPCG5 (talk) 03:00, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

PowerPCG5 This move has been discussed a number of times and has not gained consensus. Suggest you look at talk pages before being bold and certainly before repeating a reverted edit. And in any case, you should avoid WP:Cut and paste moves. 03:06, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for responding; which talk page are you referring to for discussing/reopening the proposal for the move? The ones I’ve seen are from years ago when Docker the software was less prevalent than it is today; today any Web search for “Docker” only lists results for the software and not for stevedore. Also thanks for the link to WP:Cut and paste moves—was not aware of that page.  —PowerPCG5 (talk) 03:11, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Proposed redirect of Docker to Docker (software)Edit

As you suggested I read through the talk pages for Docker and Docker (disambiguation) and would like to invite you to weigh in on the discussion on the proposal to move “docker (disambiguation)” to “docker.” In particular, in your opinion, do you feel it would be better to move docker (disambiguation) to docker, or would it be better to just change the redirect for docker from its current stevedore to Docker (software)? In any case a Google search for “Docker” exclusively returns results for the software on the first several pages with no results for “stevedore,” so clearly the current situation of “docker” redirecting to “stevedore” makes no sense and is the worst of the three options. Your thoughts? And thanks again for helping me out with your suggestions and pointing me to the relevant resources!  —PowerPCG5 (talk) 05:05, 4 April 2021 (UTC)


Your reverts (with explanations) on my first two attempts to add an entry on the Ion disambiguation page led me to better understand how disambiguation pages work, particularly this rule: "a linked Wikipedia article must support the claimed usage". Actually, now I look at MOS:DAB, this is spelt out in the first two paragraphs. Oska (talk) 00:58, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Bear Creek Township in Sauk County, WisconsinEdit


I wanted to add Bear Creek Township in Sauk County, Wisconsin to the Bear Creek Township page. You removed it saying it is not a township. But it is a township. However created the original page didn't create it as a township page for some reason. There is no "town" called Bear Creek in Bear Creek Township, Sauk Co., WI. The "town" name refers to township in this case.

How can I change this page to reflect a township?,_Sauk_County,_Wisconsin

Thanks!44mm16cm (talk) 17:58, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Typically most towns in Wisconsin are not usually referenced as townships. They may occasionally be called as townships and are in many respects equivalent to civil townships in some other states. But we'd need solid references showing that it is commonly known as Bear Creek Township. I noticed you've been changing town to township for some other Wisconsin towns. This seems a bit questionable when the preponderance of reliable source refer to them as towns. And rather than linking to civil township it would be more helpful to link the term town to Town (Wisconsin) (which at present is redirect to section of an article that describes the usage in Wisconsin. olderwiser 21:17, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Town, TownshipEdit

Several maps in Wisconsin use the term "township" [1]

I don't know where my talk page is, so I have to reply here. 44mm16cm (talk) 20:08, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

"TWD" listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

  A discussion is taking place to address the redirect TWD. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 20#TWD until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. UserTwoSix (talk) 01:51, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

April 2021Edit

Your recent editing history at Bharat (disambiguation) shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.


So, you may be surprised that you, an admin, should receive this sort of nasty template message that's normally only reserved for newbies. Well, you may know the message but I've never thought that you actually know know it. Why not give it a read? Obviously, my own behaviour hasn't been that great either – otherwise you wouldn't have had the chance to revert so many times. Still, I think that's something worth pausing to think about: if you had done one more revert, then under any normal circumstances you should have expected to see yourself dragged to AIV and blocked for a day. – Uanfala (talk) 00:36, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

And the warning is terribly ironic coming from you as it there are two sides in reversion and you fully committed to reverting as much as I. olderwiser 01:12, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
As I admitted already, my own behaviour is not exemplary either. But you're one step ahead. If we went for one more round, then I'd be at 3R and you'd be over the line, so if we got reported at AIV, I'd get away with a warning and you'd get a block (WP:4RR). Or you would if you weren't an admin, I don't know how that works given the supermario effect. But the fact that you are an admin makes this edit warring look even worse. You're aware that this is not the first time you've done that. I hope you'll appreciate how bad that looks coming from an admin. – Uanfala (talk) 01:29, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
Or maybe you might have stopped to ask yourself, "Why am I being reverted? Could there be a guideline I'm ignoring?" olderwiser 02:19, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
I do believe a strictly guidelines-driven approach here may result in tunnel vision that ignores reader needs. But that's not the point. The point is that editors don't get blocked over interpretations of style guidelines, they get blocked over crossing the three-revert rule. This is a bright line – no matter how right you believe yourself to be, you can't make more than three reverts in 24 hours. – Uanfala (talk) 12:23, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
And editors who knowingly go right up to the line are often rebuked if not blocked as well. olderwiser 14:10, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Collision (computer science)Edit

Hi! Thanks for your edit. I wouldn't object if you achieved to delete the page Collision (computer science). I had tried that myself, but failed, see User_talk:Pburka#Collision_(computer_science). - Jochen Burghardt (talk) 17:01, 22 April 2021 (UTC)


In a recent re-reversion, I implicitly accused you of prefering "questionable speciation" at Black Jack. On reflection, you didn't change "plants" back to "species", just the rest. Egg on my face, thanks for holding back a bit! InedibleHulk (talk) 02:46, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

I see you're still adamant about "correct form for intentional links to disambiguation". If that's the way it has to be, fine. But could you explain where you got that idea, just for future reference? InedibleHulk (talk) 03:32, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

(talk page watcher)@InedibleHulk: See WP:INTDABLINK. PamD 04:58, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the lead, Pam, WP:HOWTODAB clinched it for me! InedibleHulk (talk) 05:05, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Kind informationEdit

The topics - Salem Metropolitan Area is required for article about Salem city in India . If it is redirected article search by lakhs of people in India may be disappointed . Please don't redirect the page to any other page. தனீஷ் (talk) 11:49, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

தனீஷ் Please select an unambiguous title for the new article. olderwiser 12:19, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

The title for the article I have asked for you is not suitable with any other title and it is easy way to reach by people's தனீஷ் (talk) 12:26, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

No, the title Salem Metropolitan Area is ambiguous with both entries at Salem metropolitan area. olderwiser 12:37, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

The Signpost: 25 April 2021Edit

The Signpost: 25 April 2021Edit

Piedra de SolEdit

I'll go with your greater experience on the attempted disambiguation of Piedra de Sol but would like to check with you on what might be the best next move. The fact remains that Piedra de Sol is a Spanish title of a poem probably better known by the title "Sunstone" given to its most familiar translation in English. I notice that the number of daily hits for the article very seldom rises above 20, which could be the result of the unfamilar title. I only found the article by looking at the entry for its author, Octavio Paz, and following it back from there...but that was because I have a basic knowledge of Spanish to start with. What I would like your advice on, therefore, is how the article can be acceptably retitled so as to gain it a wider readership and would welcome suggestions. Sweetpool50 (talk) 16:49, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Lots of redirects needed - the Nobel speech uses "Sunstone" and I read in the "translations" section that it has been published in English as "Sun-Stone" and "Sun Stone" (with or without a "The "). PamD 17:13, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
The Quiroga book source is interesting as it refers to "Sunstone" but mentions other poems by the same poet by their original Spanish titles, suggesting that a move to Sunstone (poem) would be sensible. PamD 17:16, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
Sweetpool50. PamD's advice is spot on. I've no basis to determine what the common name might be in this case. A requested move discussion would make consensus clear. Since it appears to be the only poem with the title "Sunstone" (or "Sun Stone"), a title such as Sunstone (poem) or Sun Stone (poem) would work. Personally, I'd have no problem with leaving it at current title with redirects from English versions, but don't really care too much one way or the other. olderwiser 17:51, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
Thank you both for your advice. I'll begin with a move discussion, but incline personally to "Sunstone" as the better known title; besides, it will avoid the ambiguity of getting confused with the Aztec sun stone. Sweetpool50 (talk) 18:28, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

GSR disambiguation page: Global Sea Mineral ResourcesEdit

I have just added a wikilink to DEME#Global Sea Mineral Resources (GSR). It is no longer a red link on a disambiguation page. Problem solved: it was just a question of time. Thank you for your understanding. Shinkolobwe (talk) 19:16, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

"don't go", "must support"... army discipline, a little?Edit

We're not talking vaccinating babies, welding microprocessors, handling IEDs, running nuclear reactors, or attacking China. And even there, or especially there, nobody is gaining anything by checking one's brain at the cloakroom. One ends up in bad places and finds himself invoking the Nuremberg defense, which seldom works. Willingly putting on uncalled-for straitjackets and going voluntarily into Procrustean beds is not for me. Whatever, we're totally windschief entities, skew lines, no communication possible. Arminden (talk) 13:45, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

May 2021Edit

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. – Uanfala (talk) 18:08, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for posting this notice again, but the message of the previous one doesn't seem to have sunk in. You've made 4 reverts on that page in the space of less than a day. – Uanfala (talk) 18:08, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

And once again, it goes both ways. You seem to have completely missed the point of WP:DABMENTION and WP:DABACRO. olderwiser 19:18, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

  Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. There's a section on the article talk page, see Talk:Hamilton#re._"most_common", where your reply would be welcome. Reverting without an edit summary is rude and implies that you think no better of it than vandalism. Thanks, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 01:28, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversaryEdit

Six years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:06, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Bowling Green reversionEdit

Why?? Pithecanthropus4152 (talk) 19:38, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Pithecanthropus4152 There's no article and external links are not allowed on disambiguation pages. olderwiser 19:45, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

If I understand how this works, then I'd be free to create an article for Bowling Green, and then link to that in the disambiguation page? 2601:1C0:CC01:6B30:90D3:D0F1:719B:FD91 (talk) 19:15, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Correct, but of course the article should meet other applicable guidelines (e.g., WP:NOTABILITY and WPVERIFIABILITY). olderwiser 21:42, 24 May 2021 (UTC)


Why you have just deleted my edition? ("Nature boy" song) (talk) 21:44, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

The entry fails WP:DABMENTION. olderwiser 22:43, 23 May 2021 (UTC)


Just in case you haven't seen it... Wikipedia_talk:Signatures#Signatures_and_usernames may be of interest. PamD 07:16, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Reverted changes at The EndEdit

Dear Bkonrad:
If you remember, you reverted changes on The End disambiguation page.
In my defence, just to say I only referred this joke page (which is called Wikipedia:The End) as an Easter Egg. No vandalism was intended.
That's why I putted at the end of that wiki.
If you consider this, please revert your reversion.
Thank You:
Carel3DS (UserTalk) 10:05 29 may 2021 (UTC)

Vanderbilt RedirectEdit

Hello. I saw that you reverted my redirect. I am trying to change this page's url to ( and rerouting ( to ( Please let me know if you can help since completing this process with my knowledge involves having a temporary broken link, which is what you undo'd. I would appreciate any help or guidance on the process of doing this, thank you! BugsMeanee (BugsMeanee) 15:10, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Cf. equivalent request at my talk page. I would suggest discussing this first. (And Bkonrad, thanks for fixing my ill-considered substitution at The Condor BTW :) --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 19:18, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
This would require discussion as I'm not sure the university is the primary topic. See WP:RM for instructions on starting discussion to move Vanderbilt to Vanderbilt (disambiguation) and change it to redirect to the university. olderwiser 19:32, 29 May 2021 (UTC)


Hello. Could you either explain or undo your reverts on Suddha?

The alternative romanizations redirect to Suddha so I don't understand why you removed them. Similarly, "Suddha" may easily be mistaken for "Suddhi"; they differ by only one letter and share a the same root meaning (purity) differing only grammatically, which people unfamiliar with the grammar of Sanskrit (ie. most people) may not recognise. It therefore makes sense to mention "Suddhi" as part of disambiguation as many disambiguation pages similarly do when an ambiguous term is likely to be confused for another term. So, again, I don't understand why you removed it. Scyrme (talk) 15:37, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

User:Scyrme, actually, none of the transliterations you added redirect to Suddha. Śuddha and Shuddha don't exist and Shuddhi is a separate disambiguation page. Further, it makes no sense for the lead of a disambiguation page named "Suddha" to mention these other spellings that are not included in the disambiguation page and make no mention at all of the term "Suddha". The normal lead for a disambiguation is described at MOS:DABINTRO. olderwiser 16:13, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Richmond DisambiguationEdit

Hello, Bkonrad.

I hope you are doing well.

I recently tried to add a "most commonly refers to" section at the top of the disambiguation page for Richmond, similar to those for places like Charleston or Portland. In each of these cases, there are many municipalities with that name, but it is needlessly difficult to find the ones people are most often looking for in the long list. When creating such a section for Richmond, I included examples in BC and VA (the two largest) as well as Richmond in the UK (the namesake of Richmond, VA and, by extension, Richmond, CA and others.)

I notice that you have deleted this. Could you explain why? Is there a reason this would not be appropriate here as opposed to in many other similar circumstances like Charleston or Portland? Would you propose a different list, perhaps including Richmond, CA?

Thanks for your time.

Don — Preceding unsigned comment added by Don.s.okeefe (talkcontribs) 15:44, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Talk:Richmond#Usage is potentially relevant. – Uanfala (talk) 16:42, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
Don.s.okeefe I'm assuming this is the edit you are referring to. There are a few issues with it.
1) you removed the wiktionary link
2) I'm not absolutely opposed to some sort of placement of "most common uses" at the top -- only to your somewhat arbitrary selection. See further discussion at Talk:Richmond#Usage olderwiser 17:29, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
Bkonrad Thank you for the reply. I'm sorry I deleted the wikitionary link -- I had no idea. For the rest, I've moved over the talk page. Thanks. – Don.s.okeefe (talk) 19:07 June 2021 (UTC)

Fact deletionEdit

Hey, Bkonrad

I wanted to ask you why you deleted my part, sure it was not an article or no further information was given about the series. But it's actually true. The one reference I gave was probably not enough and you deleted it probably just because there was not enough information. But if you went to the reference you would see the series was in fact real along with the creator. Even though someone else had the playlist but it contained the episodes made by the creator. So please explain why did you delete my part in the first place?

--GoldenChannels (talk) 03:12, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

GoldenChannels that's not the purpose of a disambiguation page. They are not a directory or catalog of any fact in the world. They help readers navigate to existing Wikipedia articles that at least mention the ambiguous term. olderwiser 09:58, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining. GoldenChannels (talk) 19:12, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Your instantaneous reversion of my edits to the disambiguation page for 'Bush'.Edit

I would like to understand your thinking when you reverted my edits to this page as 'unhelpful'. I assume you gave them consideration before instantly negating them. As a result of your reversion the page now remains with 'pubic hair' as one of the top three of 32 definitions (I had moved that definition to 'other uses'); and with 'a mechanical bearing' as the only meaning for 'bushing' (I had generalised 'bushing' to include other mechanical and electrical devices, with a link to the disambiguation page). Perhaps you could explain how your version is better than mine? Thanks. Masato.harada (talk) 15:21, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

There were a wide range of non-compliance with WP:MOSDAB in your edits, including using piped links to obscure the full title and your edit to busing was nonsense as you made a piped linked to the disambiguation page with a description as if it were an article. olderwiser 15:41, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
Just a reminder that you appear to have hit 3R again. – Uanfala (talk) 17:09, 21 June 2021 (UTC)