Talk:Eagle Woman

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Eagle Woman

• ... that the Sioux's first and only female chief, Eagle Woman (pictured), was called "the most noted Indian woman of all the western Indian nations", aside from Sacagawea? Source: 1
  • ALT1:... that the Sioux's first and only female chief, Eagle Woman (pictured), helped her people adapt after they were forced onto reservations? Source: "When the Sioux War ended in the early 1880s, Eagle Woman again played an instrumental role in easing the transition to reservation living for her people." 1
  • ALT2:... that Eagle Woman (pictured), the first woman to become a chief among the Sioux, helped her people adapt after they were forced onto reservations? Source: "When the Sioux War ended in the early 1880s, Eagle Woman again played an instrumental role in easing the transition to reservation living for her people." 1 "Because these tribes were giving up their way of life, Mrs. Galpin adopted a new mission: “to help the Sioux to learn and to adapt.”" 2
  • ALT3:... that Eagle Woman (pictured), the first woman to become a chief among the Sioux, was called "the most noted Indian woman of all the western Indian nations", aside from Sacagawea? Source: 1

• Reviewed: (in progress)
• Comment: I think this article should be reviewed by someone who knows the right words for native/indigenous issues before DYK goes through. Also not sure about the hooks.

Created by Originalmess (talk). Self-nominated at 18:42, 21 August 2019 (UTC).

• General eligibility:

• New enough:
• Long enough:
• Other problems:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral: - ? I agree that a culturally-sensitive review is desirable before release.
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - Issues for ALT and ALT1: "first and only female chief" - the source states "the only woman to become a chief of the Sioux" but dates to 1986, so it is possible someone else has become a female chief since then. "first" would be acceptable based on the source cited. Issues for ALT: "the most noted Indian woman of all the western Indian nations" - the source refers to her as "Matilda Parkin", which appears to be the same person as "Matilda Galpin" and "Eagle Woman", but this "Matilda Parkin" naming of her is not mentioned in the Wikipedia article. 3) inconsistent spellings of "Sacagawea" (Wiki link name), "Sacajawea" (DYK nom) and "Sakakawea" (Eagle Woman article, source cited): use Sakakawea in article & DYK to resolve. Further review of ALT1: "adapt" is supported by the cited source.
• Interesting:

QPQ: - ?
Overall: Created on August 15, nominated August 21, 2019; Earwig does not report significant copyvios. QPQ pending. I agree that a culturally-sensitive review is desirable before release. Hooks need work. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 20:27, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

I think the phrase "chief of the Sioux" might be misunderstood to mean leadership over all the Sioux, but I'm not sure what a good alternative phrasing would be. Kim Post (talk) 14:00, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

• I've rephrased the sentence to read "the first woman to become a chief among the Sioux" to address this. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 14:22, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Sorry about the late response, I should be free enough to do more editing/look for someone to do a culturally sensitive review a bit later tonight. Thanks for the rephrasing, that's definitely clearer for readers who don't know the Sioux had/have multiple chiefs at once. originalmess^{how u doin that busta rhyme?} 18:47, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Added new hooks using Mary Mark Ockerbloom's phrasing. Does it sound hookier starting with "first woman" or with "Eagle Woman"? originalmess^{how u doin that busta rhyme?} 19:36, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

• Full new review needed; the article has been expanded and had many edits in September. Note the prior requests for a culturally sensitive review. Thanks to whoever takes this on. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:09, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• Hi Originalmess and GreenMeansGo (and any other editors who have worked on this article) - I am reading it before possibly reviewing it, and noting a few queries.

• In the info box, Eagle Woman's first husband is named as Henri Picotte. In the text of the article, his name is given as Honore Picotte. The sources I've looked at ([1], [2], [3], [4], [5]) all name him as Honore Picotte (actually, two have the accent on the e which I would expect in the French name Honoré). Is Henri a mistake, or are there other sources which give that name? If so, it would probably be good to mention it with reference to the sources.  Done

• Eagle Woman's Lakota name is given in the article as Waŋblí Ayútepiwiŋ, which this source [6] has, with a morphemic gloss. Given that this seems a more lingustically aware source, I expect that it's a more accurate representation - but other spellings are found, and I think should be mentioned (eg in a footnote) - "Wambdi Autepewin" in [7] and [8], and "Wambli Autepewin" in [9].  Done

I'll probably have some more queries/suggestions, which I'll add as I read. RebeccaGreen (talk) 15:38, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

• Thanks for looking over things RebeccaGreen. Let us know if you find anything else that needs fixing. GMG^talk 16:58, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

A couple more queries, Originalmess and GreenMeansGo and others:

• In the Early life section is the sentence "Such marriages proved mutually beneficial: for Native women, marrying a trader elevated status with the added benefits of access to goods, while for traders, the marriage improved trade relations with their tribes." Do you have a source for this? Is it saying that Native women had elevated status among their tribes by marrying traders, or elevated status among Europeans? In "improved trade relations with their tribes", does that mean their wives' tribes? It sounds a bit as if it's the traders' tribes, but I don't think that can be the intended meaning.  Done
• In the Diplomacy section, the first para says that her children were given a "formal" education. The source says a "good" education - I presume that both "formal" and "good" here mean a European education? I think it might be better to say that.  Done
• In the Diplomacy section, the fourth para ends with "The Galpins negotiated for the release of the captives upon reaching Fort LaFramboise, and a party was dispatched to ransom the two women and four children." This seems to be the first mention of any captives, so it would be good to give some more information here.  Done
• If we use a hook which refers to her as a chief, I think we will need to say "credited as the first woman to become a chief among the Sioux". Two sources ([10], [11]) call her a chief - others say she was influential and "known as a woman of honor in both Native American Indian and white societies for her attempts at peaceful compromise between these two different ways of life" [12], a "peace activist who was a strong advocate of the Teton (or Western Sioux) people" [13] - and I note that some articles about other individual chiefs (eg Red Cloud) use the word 'leader' much more often than the word 'chief', and that the relevant categories also use the word leader ("Category:Lakota leaders", "Category:Female Native American leaders").  Done
• I think that her mediation and peace advocacy would make a good hook too, and also her work as a tradesperson and refusal to close her business. Would you like to write some alternative hooks?

I'm still reading, will come back if I have more comments or queries! Cheers, RebeccaGreen (talk) 04:37, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

• Thanks again for all the detailed analysis. If no one else has time to correct everything I will surely do so, but I'm afraid that my schedule probably won't allow me to do any in-depth editing for the next couple of weeks. Anyway WP:TIND right? GMG^talk 15:02, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

• Yes, that's fine - it was nominated only just over a month ago, so is by no means the oldest DYK nomination! RebeccaGreen (talk) 15:19, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
• I'll get to it now! Including thinking about alternative hooks, especially since there's so much more material now. originalmess^{how u doin that busta rhyme?} 20:51, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

On the verbiage for the hooks - it seems like "leader" is preferred over "chief" by people who do more editing on Sioux articles. However, I think the general audience would find "chief" hookier; it seems like different tribes use chief vs leader and that's not a known thing, so maybe in the hook we can use "chief" and link it to Sioux#Leadership to clarify? originalmess^{how u doin that busta rhyme?} 22:49, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi again originalmess and GMG, I have read more of the article, and have some further queries.

• At the end of the second para of the 'Black Hills Gold Rush' section, it says 'Following the meeting, Eagle Woman was made a chief "for her heroism in saving the lives of the Black Hills commission" '. This quote is from A Sioux Chronicle (1956), which starts "She had been made a chief by her own people in 1875 for her heroism ...". Another source, Lakota Portraits: Lives of the Legendary Plains People (2011), quotes a New York Herald reporter present at the 1875 meeting as writing that 'the Hunkpapas were "led by the prophetess and real chieftainess [sic], Mrs. Galpin, a civilized and educated lady.' The 2011 writer goes on to say that the 1875 reporter, as with other white commentators, increased their praise of Eagle Woman the more she defended white civilisation, and wrote things like "there is nothing in her dress or countenance indicating Indian". I have found that New York Herald report (clipped [14]), and it has a sub-heading 'The Story of a Chieftainess', and a section heading 'The Indians' Chieftainess'. I do wonder about both whether she was "made a chief" in 1875, when it was clear that she had influence and was respected before that, and whether it was for "saving the lives of the Black Hills commission", which I presume the white commissioners, reporters and historians were more interested in than the Indian tribes who were fighting to retain their land. It seems to me that perhaps she was called a chief (or chieftainess), in 1875, by the white reporter (and perhaps other white people present at the meeting). Finding a contemporary Lakota or Hunkpapa perspective on her role is probably very difficult, but I think it would be more accurate to describe what she did - the article is probably accurate in saying "After the Brulés the Yancktonais and Uncapapas appeared. Most of them were unarmed. They dismounted .... and then advanced toward the canopy, led by ..... Mrs. Galpin .... When these Indians were drawn up on the east side of the council ground, Mrs. Galpin standing at their front ...". So I would suggest, instead of saying that she was made a chief, change the sentence "In a conference in 1875, she accompanied a delegation aimed at settling the dispute." to "In a conference in 1875 aimed at settling the dispute, she led the Grand River delegation, most of whom were unarmed." (So that is taking the sentence about leading the delegation and placing it in the first sentence about the conference.)  Done
  
• I am not sure how many credited Eagle Woman with avoiding violence at that conference - that 1875 newspaper article describes several others who played an important part, including Young Man Afraid of His Horses. So, as well as leaving out that she was made a chief, perhaps say something like her role in averting violence that day has been recognized?  Done
  
• The clipped article also says "The commission have discussed the propriety of recognizing him [Young Man Afraid of His Horses] as the principal chief of the Ogallalas", which indicates that white leaders had a role in deciding who they recognized and negotiated with as chiefs, which may not have been the same as those recognized as chiefs within their own tribes. For that reason, I don't think that the sentence "She was also the Sioux's only female chief" should stand as it is. It seems that she was the only Sioux woman that white people recognized as a leader at that time, but how do we know that she was the only one the Sioux recognized, then, before or later? Instead, it could again say something like "She was credited as the only woman to become a chief among the Sioux at that time", or something like that.  Done
  
• I also think the sentence "This treaty made her the only woman to sign a treaty with the United States." needs editing - something like "She is believed to be the only Native American woman to sign a treaty with the United States", or "She is believed to be the only woman to sign a treaty with the United States in the wars between the United States and Native Americans". I expect that treaties have been signed with the US by women heads of state, foreign ministers, etc, in modern times.  Done
  

Have you thought any more about alternative hooks? Regards, RebeccaGreen (talk) 06:26, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Also wondering if there is a reason not to include the photo of Eagle Woman, which is in the public domain and is, I think, a strong image? RebeccaGreen (talk) 08:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

I think it just wasn't in the article when I nominated it (which looked like this at that point). Good catch, I'll add it to the nomination. originalmess^{busta rhyme} 02:37, 2 October 2019 (UTC)  Done

• RebeccaGreen I think the points about who's recognized as a chief and who isn't are very important to clarify - I'm willing to email some of the modern day Lakota associated with Standing Rock to see if they have anything, but in the case that there's only oral history (sent over email), would I be able to cite that in an article? Thanks for doing this review with such thoroughness and patience btw. originalmess^{busta rhyme} 06:41, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

• Sorry to drop in and out of this discussion. @Originalmess and RebeccaGreen: Where are we at as far as what's been addressed thus far and what still remains to be fixed? GMG^talk 12:35, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

• Hi GMG^talk, that's OK, I was aware from your page that you were away. My earlier queries were all addressed, except possibilities for alternative hooks. My later points (posted on 30 September 2019 under "I have read more of the article, and have some further queries"), are still to be discussed and worked on. Originalmess has suggested emailing Lakota groups or people at Standing Rock about her and how she is perceived. I think that would be a very useful way to get an idea of how to represent the descriptions of her and the events she took part in, most authentically, from (a) Native American perspective(s). There is a published 2011 source, Lakota Portraits: Lives of the Legendary Plains People, which, as I said above, talks about the Black Hills meeting in 1875 and the way a white newspaper reporter described Eagle Woman as a chief or chieftainess (see my comments above). The author of that 2011 book doesn't actually call her a chief, though it's clear from his description that she was a strong and influential mediator and businesswoman. So that's about where we're at. Any help you can give will be much appreciated! RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:02, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

• Okay, so, some notes on the "chief" issue. First, far-and-away the best extant source on Eagle Woman seems to be the two-part series by John S. Gray, which is itself, in small or large part, of of the principle sources for much of the later writings about her. In Gray's words specifically Mrs. Galpin's peace-keeping efforts brought her recognition as a chief (pg. 16 on the right column). True, it doesn't say recognition from whom, and that may truly be more of a statement of who the whites recognized as worthy of their attention.

So that's where we queue this source. While it looks very much like "some website" the bio pic is actually written by Lakota historian LaDonna Brave Bull Allard, and is kindof our guiding light here on the Lakota perspective. She says in no uncertain terms Matilda Picotte Galpin, also known as Eagle Woman, was the only female Sioux chief. I'm not sure we don't run afoul of some original research if we try to further qualify the unqualified statement of the former Standing Rock historical preservation coordinator, who doesn't really seem to feel the need to hedge her own bets on the issue. GMG^talk 12:47, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

• Okay. I've done a bit of tweaking and clarifying. Maybe this addresses this issues. GMG^talk 14:08, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

• OK, thanks, I'll have a look at your edits. I think it would be useful to say upfront that LaDonna Brave Bull Allard credits Eagle Woman as the only female Sioux chief. That gives a clear, contemporary source for it. RebeccaGreen (talk) 16:04, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

• As far as a hook, assuming we're comfortable with all the facts there:
  • ALT4:... that Eagle Woman (pictured), is credited as the the only woman to become a chief among the Sioux, and the first woman to sign a treaty with the United States?

GMG^talk 16:16, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi GMG^talk and originalmess, I'm sorry I haven't had time to read through the article today - hopefully tomorrow. I mentioned above that I think that her mediation and peace advocacy, and also her work as a trader and refusal to close her business, would make good hooks too, as they give examples of her strength of character, and it's useful to have several hooks for promoters and reviewing admins to select from. Would you like to write some around those facts? RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:13, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Hmm...just spit balling:

• • ALT5:... that the "utterly unflappable" Eagle Woman (pictured) won an 1870s trade dispute against the brother of US President Ulysses S. Grant, who tried to shut down her business?
  • ALT6:... that Eagle Woman (pictured) was inducted into the South Dakota Hall of Fame for her efforts at peaceful compromise between the Sioux and whites?

GMG^talk 19:01, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Approving ALT2, ALT4, ALT5 and ALT6. As one of the editors who has built the article points out, a key source is Lakota historian LaDonna Brave Bull Allard. Issues relating to language used and assumptions made by earlier, non-Native American writers have, I hope, been adequately addressed. Re QPQ: The nom now has 5 DYK credits, and did a QPQ for the 5th, which was nominated after this article but approved before it, so the review of Template:Did you know nominations/Jennie Smillie Robertson can be used here. RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:09, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Question

While living at the fort, she adopted the settlers' lifestyle, but as Picotte often spent long periods of time away, she would return to her tribe.

@Originalmess: I'm not entirely sure what the "return to her tribe" is intended to mean here. Does it mean she would eventually physically return after she left the fort permanently, or that she would return during the periods she was away from the fort, or is it a reference to the settlers' lifestyle, "returning" in a more figurative/cultural sense? GMG^talk 17:35, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

GreenMeansGo During the times Picotte was away from the fort, she would also leave the fort to live with and make visits to various Lakota tribes IIRC, so she would physically return to the tribes and also return to the culture. I'll clarify that in a bit! originalmess^{how u doin that busta rhyme?} 02:56, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Also, thanks for the copyedit and expansion!! I really wasn't sure if I was adding too much to the earlier sections (still planning on expanding the later ones with a source I haven't fully read yet) so it's good to see the material is worth including! originalmess^{how u doin that busta rhyme?} 03:00, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Definitely an interesting subject. Do you happen to know if the trip she went on to Washington was the same one Red Cloud went on? GMG^talk 10:05, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

It was the same delegation Red Cloud went on, but it doesn't appear that the photographers felt her important enough to take a picture of [15], and it doesn't seem they took any group photo. GMG^talk 15:07, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

• Also this source on page 149 indicates that she did not sign the Standing Rock Treaty. So it seems we have a bit of a conflict in our information. GMG^talk 15:42, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok, looks like she didn't sign the 1876 treaty actually founding the reservation but an 1882 treaty which, from my reading of it, has something to do with ceding more land to the US govt/changing boundaries, modifying the govt rations and govt workers they were receiving, and reserving land for school purposes. Will modify article accordingly, thanks for the catch! originalmess^{how u doin that busta rhyme?} 20:09, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for looking into it. I think I'm nearing the end of my sources incidentally. But I don't have university library access, or any special access at all really. I wonder if @Indigenous girl: would have access to any additional sources, or for that matter, a contact near Sioux County that might be willing to donate a picture of her grave for the article. GMG^talk 20:13, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks to YOU for finding all of these sources. How'd you do that?! Just google books? I think I might still have access to my university library's resources and will check for more sources in a few hours, and it'd be really cool to get more pictures/knowledge too. originalmess^{how u doin that busta rhyme?} 20:23, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi GMG! I'm pretty sure I can find more sources. School is back in session so it may take me a bit but I will post them as I find them. Indigenous girl (talk) 13:51, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

No worries IG. Thanks for looking into it. GMG^talk 17:51, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

• Oh dang. I also just realized this isn't a GA. (For some reason I thought the DYK review above was a GA review.) We can probably knock that out too. GMG^talk 20:15, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Yeah I was hoping to do that eventually, but you got it a lot closer to GA level than I thought it would be any time soon! Do you think two DYKs would be too much? I think she definitely has enough material to make two interesting DYKs. originalmess^{how u doin that busta rhyme?} 20:20, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

I believe the rules only allow one per article. But we can always get back on the main page with an FA. GMG^talk 20:45, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Region’s first Catholic Indian day school?

[16] GMG^talk 10:24, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

• Already added. GMG^talk 20:11, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Sources

Found some sources we haven't used yet:

• Voices under one sky : contemporary Native literature / edited by Trish Fox Roman.
• The Lakota woman whom all look at: post trader's wife Matilda Galpin earned the respect of all who served at fort rice, Dakota Territory, John Koster
• https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt/search?q1=galpin;id=mdp.39015059480312;view=1up;seq=9;start=1;sz=10;page=search;orient=0 - oh boy
• Once their home, or, Our legacy from the Dahkotahs, Holley - only available as book or microfiche from libraries?
• sitting bull speeches - doubt it
• "Among the more than 600 soldiers who set off to Fort Rice, one woman accompanied the group. Her name was Elizabeth Cardwell, the wife of Patrick Cardwell. Elizabeth, just 21 years old, helped make a homelike atmosphere for the soldiers. However, she would also have to endure the same hardships as the soldiers she was accompanying, including the 280 mile march that finished off the trip to Fort Rice. Unlike the men, she was pregnant. Held in high esteem by the men, Elizabeth would become a mother figure to the soldiers. In July of 1865, Elizabeth would take on the role of mother once again, giving birth to a daughter. Helping with the child birth was Matilda Galpin, also known as Eagle Woman. Tragedy would strike just a week later, when both Elizabeth and her daughter passed away." – Young and illiterate at Fort Rice, Bismarck Tribune; Bismarck, ND [Bismarck, ND]16 Oct 2015: 7.
• Isaiah Dorman - "To make ends meet, Dorman joined a woodcutting crew supervised by Durfee & Peck trader Charles Galpin during the winter of 1867-68 and stayed through the following summer to sell cordwood to passing steamboats on behalf of his employer. When Father Pierre-Jean De Smet arrived that summer at Fort Rice to broker peace between the U.S. government and the Sioux, Dorman and St. Pierre took their third child, Henry, to De Smet for baptism. Henry's godparents were Louis Agard and Louisa Picotte, whose mother, Eagle Woman That All Look At, was married to Galpin." and "Dorman quickly became a trusted employee at Fort Rice. When a new commanding officer questioned Dorman's honesty, quartermaster Captain James W. Scully responded, "Isaiah has always been in the habit of drawing the supplies for the Scouts upon the proper requisitions, and neither my clerk or myself take any more notice of where he takes them than we do of those drawn by the non-com'd officers of the companies." In addition to taking charge of scouts' supplies, Dorman wrote letters on their behalf when, due to a series of disagreements between the Army and the Indian Service, scouts were required to go to Standing Rock to collect annuities rather than receive rations at the post. Eventually, these squabbles spilled over onto Eagle Woman That All Look At (Matilda Galpin), and the Fort Rice commander sent Dorman to assist her with an affidavit to help reinstate her license as trader at Standing Rock." - BLACK MAN AT THE LITTLE BIGHORN. Pengra, Lilah Morton. Wild West; Leesburg Vol. 29, Iss. 1, (Jun 2016): 40-45.

I'm not sure how accessible any of them are. Will incorporate later. originalmess^{how u doin that busta rhyme?} 05:52, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

We just need to make sure if we include sources that are very difficult to access, that we include sufficient quotations in the citation to verify the content. It's not absolutely required, but if we're looking toward GA and maybe even FA levels, then its something we should be doing from the start. That's kindof why I went back and scrubbed all the citation formatting and made sure we had page numbers for anything larger than a journal article. May as well do it right and then you don't have to spend enormous amounts of time fixing it later.

On an unrelated note, one of the things that I saw crop up a few times (I'd need to go back and find it in the sources) was kindof the...well...lets be honest...overt benevolent racism that you pretty much expect from 19th century sources. Specifically, that the more Eagle Woman dressed white, acted white, and helped whites, the more the contemporary accounts of her became radiant. She was a good Catholic woman, and dressed respectfully, and so much period code for "look how well we've civilized this savage". All that feeds back on the philosophy of Nathaniel Green Taylor, basically wholesale cultural genocide as a kinder alternative to the old fashioned genocide that people like Sherman clearly favored.

I'm not sure to what extent is warrants inclusion, but it may be something to look out for as far as "meta" commentary when reviewing modern sources. We may be able to compile enough for a bit of content. GMG^talk 12:59, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Noted, I'll make sure to quote when I'm pulling from ones that require subscriptions. I also noticed a tinge of the benevolent racism in maybe one or two of the modern sources, even, and that's actually part of why I asked for someone familiar with the culture to review. We can definitely look for commentary on that. There was actually a source that said something about going to White Lodge (a chief and her relative) after meeting the Santee band and White Lodge not wanting to listen to her at first because she was whitewashed, but it read in a very dramatized way with direct quotes and was, even more weirdly, in some book about capitalism vs. socialism, so I didn't include it as it didn't seem reliable. It's hard to account for the covert racism the some accounts' retelling of the encounters with other native people, also; "history is written by the winners" and all, not sure what to do about that. I don't remember being able to find a direct source from that author, but I'll look into it again. originalmess^{how u doin that busta rhyme?} 21:55, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Also I'd like to find a source for when specifically she converted to Catholocism. There's a Bismark source that says that it was when she married her first husband, and that would make sense, but that source in particular is the one that also says she was the first to discover gold, so it's a little sensational and suspect. GMG^talk 13:00, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Did any of other the sources imply she converted to Catholicism? That's the first I've heard of it tbh. The Catholic school founding could've been from the agent's influence. I wonder if Standing Rock has any documents/oral history on that. originalmess^{how u doin that busta rhyme?} 21:55, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Quote from the first Gray source:

Father De Smet had with him as interpreter Mr. Galpin, who is married to an Indian woman of the Hunkpapa tribe. This lady is a good Catholic and an excellent person, a striking example of what the influence of religion and civilization can accomplish for the welfare of the Indian.[17]

GMG^talk 22:31, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Ooh I didn't get that far in the Gray source. Thanks!! originalmess^{how u doin that busta rhyme?} 04:26, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Eagle Woman/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: CaroleHenson (talk · contribs) 20:29, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello GreenMeansGo, This looks like a very interesting article. Thanks for nominating it. I will start the review shortly. I do that by reading through of the article first, and identifying any comments or questions by section of the article, and after that I use the GA table template to evaluate the GA criteria.

Would you mind if I went ahead and made any minor edits (punctuation, cite order, etc.) or link changes — that you could review to ensure agreement? Or, would you prefer me to list all of those? I am happy to go with whatever works the best for you.–CaroleHenson (talk) 20:33, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

It looks like you have been off-line for a couple of days. I will make minor edits, like links and give you a diff to see what I did.–CaroleHenson (talk) 02:02, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Intro / lede

• I added some links, see this diff.
• It would be nice to round out the intro a bit more, perhaps with information about trading and trade disputes, delegation to D.C., and the Gold Rush period.–CaroleHenson (talk) 02:02, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done? GMG^talk 13:42, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Great job!–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:57, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

• This section is  Done.–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:57, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Early life

• Second paragraph. Regarding "In 1838, after her parents' deaths, she married Canadian fur trader Honoré Picotte,[c] a prestigious general agent in the top position[3]..." - I don't know what in the top position means? Did he run the American Fur Company? Or, was he the manager / lead trader at Fort Pierre?

 Done? GMG^talk 13:43, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that is much clearer. Thanks!–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:57, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

• I made a minor change re: the use of "previous" and "wife" in this edit. See what you think.–CaroleHenson (talk) 02:23, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

• This section is  Done.–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:57, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Diplomacy

• I added a few links here and one comma after "To this end".
• Would this image be helpful re: the reservation?–CaroleHenson (talk) 02:44, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, it may be. But I'm not sure there's a way to do it without running into stacking issues or sandwiching issues on wider monitors. GMG^talk 12:41, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

That's fine. It was just a thought.–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:35, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

• Life on the reservation. Regarding "This left Eagle Woman, along with her children, to take over the trade post alone as the territory's first Sioux businesswoman." alone seems a little confusing, since she has her family with her.

 Done GMG^talk 12:41, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

• Black Hills Gold Rush. Regarding "The Black Hills Gold Rush began in 1874 as word spread of the discovery of gold in lands owned by the Sioux, according to the terms of the Treaty of Fort Laramie six years prior, including the Black Hills." what do you think about moving "including the Black Hills" to follow "lands owned by the Sioux?

 Done GMG^talk 12:41, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

• This sentences seems out of place / order "Eagle Woman led the Grand River delegation to the meeting."

 Done Seems to be an artifact of content that was rearranged incompletely. GMG^talk 12:41, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

• Regarding "Though Eagle Woman opposed the founding of the reservation and did not sign the 1876 treaty, she signed an 1882 treaty which reserved land for school purposes, modified reservation boundaries, and changed the government workers and rations they received." does it read better to swap "school purposes" for "schools"?–

 Done GMG^talk 12:41, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

CaroleHenson (talk) 03:16, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

• Looks great! This section is  Done–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:35, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Later life and death

• Regarding "Alma continued her generosity to white and Native people in the area alike," shouldn't "alike" follow "people"?–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:26, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done GMG^talk 12:48, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

• The note from Eagle Woman in the text box is signed "Your affectionate mother"... but she is her grandmother. Is that a typo? Or, perhaps she raised him?–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:32, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, Charles Picotte was her stepson, not her grandson. GMG^talk 12:48, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! I added his name after "She wrote to her stepson," just to make the connection a little clearer. Sorry, I am not sure how I came to the conclusion he was a grandson.–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:42, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

• This section is  Done–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:42, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Legacy

No comments.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:26, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

GA criteria

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	Yes, the prose is clear and concise, with correct spelling and grammar. There are a couple of questions and comments above.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:54, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	Yes, it complies with MOS guidelines.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:42, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	Yes, the content is properly cited and verifiable.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:42, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	Yes, the citations are for reliable sources.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:42, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
	2c. it contains no original research.	There is no evidence of original research.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:42, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	There is no evidence of plagiarism or copyright violations from the copyvio detector and spot-checking a number of books.–CaroleHenson (talk) 04:51, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	Yes, it covers the main aspects of the topic.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:42, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	No unnecessary detail–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:42, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	Yes, the article is neutral.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:42, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	Yes, the article is stable.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:42, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	Yes, all images are appropriately tagged.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:53, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	Yes, the images are relevant.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:53, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
	7. Overall assessment.

Comments

@CaroleHenson: Thanks for the review. Gimme a little bit to respond. Obviously things are a bit less than normal at the moment. Courtesy pings for @Originalmess, RebeccaGreen, and Indigenous girl: in case they're interested in weighing in. GMG^talk 13:52, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Absolutely. Take care.–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:07, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

• Repinging Carole to see if there is any additional feedback that needs to be addressed. GMG^talk 12:49, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

The article looks great! I am passing it. Thanks for your work on it, GreenMeansGo.–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:45, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

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