Talk:Brooklyn Bridge–City Hall/Chambers Street station

Ceramic mural "gaffe"

In the "Tile Work" section, the absence of the diagonal cable stays in the depiction of the Brooklyn Bridge is described as a "gaffe" but according to the Wikipedia article on the Brooklyn Bridge, the bridge was originally designed with only vertical cables, and the diagonal stays were only added later but evidently before the official opening of the bridge. It is very possible that the mural artist was working from pre-construction plans and was not notified of the design change. Rather than a "gaffe" the mural might very well be considered an interesting historical document of this design change. AlanSiegrist (talk) 16:27, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

spaced en dash

I moved the article to get rid of the spaces around the en dash before I noticed that there are quite of few of these. What gives? Should I work on fixing, or give it up? Dicklyon (talk) 22:40, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

The naming convention for the WikiProject New York City Public Transportation project specifys spacing around endashes per WP:MOSDASH. Acps110 ^{(talk • contribs)} 23:42, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

How odd. Probably they meant "in spite of WP:MOSDASH" since it doesn't allow such spaces in connections of this sort. Dicklyon (talk) 00:03, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

OK, I updated the naming convention per its talk page, to conform to MOSDASH. That made some red links, so there's clearly work to be done to actually conform to MOS. Let's see who balks before proceeding. Dicklyon (talk) 00:11, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

That's not what the MOS says. It specifically says to space endashes and not to space emdashes. I don't see where you are getting that an endash should be unspaced. All article titles in the project conform to this naming convention with spaced endashes. Acps110 ^{(talk • contribs)} 01:27, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

That's only for the case of a sentence dash, separating thoughts. For connecting parallel things, it's always unspaced (except for full date ranges). "The en dash in all of the compounds above is unspaced." Dicklyon (talk) 01:42, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

I inquired at MOS: Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style#En_dash_spacing. Dicklyon (talk) 02:03, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

A discussion was started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New York City Public Transportation#Update naming convention? to see if consensus existed to change the naming convention to non-spaced endashes. That discussion has gone stale and there was no consensus for a change that would affect hundreds of article titles. I have moved page back to the spaced endashes per the naming convention. Acps110 ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:55, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

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Replacement for BMT's Park Row terminal

Is there any way we can write in the fact that these stations replaced Park Row (BMT station)? ---------User:DanTD (talk) 14:48, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

I will find a way when I have a chance.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 14:55, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Brooklyn Bridge–City Hall/Chambers Street station/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Bneu2013 (talk · contribs) 21:49, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Will have comments soon. Bneu2013 (talk) 21:49, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Should the infobox list the original opening dates for the stations?
  • Yes. I've done that. Epicgenius (talk) 04:32, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
• Is the Chambers Street Station the same as the Nassau Street Line station?
  • Yes. Epicgenius (talk) 04:32, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

History

• Is a more precise date available for the opening of the South passageway?
  • Unfortunately, I did not find one. Epicgenius (talk) 04:32, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
• Capitalize "lower Manhattan".
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 04:32, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
• Capitalize "section 2" for consistency, as these appear to be proper names.
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 04:32, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
• Move "Ventilation (architecture)" link to first use of "ventilation", and link "ventilation fans" to "Fan (machine)".
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 04:32, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
• Add inflation adjustment for $70,000. Ditto for any other lone figures.
  • I will do this shortly. Epicgenius (talk) 04:32, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
• Did the 1950s plans come to fruition?
  • Yes, they were completed in 1963. Epicgenius (talk) 04:32, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
• As part of the modernization program, the NYCTA announced in early 1957 that the Brooklyn Bridge station by about 250 feet (76 m) to the north - at least one word is missing.
  • Fixed. Epicgenius (talk) 04:32, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
• At the time, the island platforms narrowed at their northern ends to five feet - add {{convert|5|ft|m}}.
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 04:32, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
• The project lengthened the platforms from 295 feet (90 m) to 523 feet (159 m) and wideningwidened them.
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 04:32, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
• The downtown platform's extension opened in 1961,[8] and the uptown platform's extension opened the next year, on August 31, 1962. - also, is a more precise date available for when the downtown platform's extension opened?
  • Done. Also, unfortunately NYC newspapers didn't report these openings consistently. The exact opening date was probably either not recorded or is in a source that I am unable to access. Epicgenius (talk) 04:32, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
• Why was the plaque removed?
  • I have not been able to find any sources that explain why. The most likely explanation is that it was removed during the 1990s renovation specifically to accommodate the renovation work, and the MTA just did not reinstall it. Epicgenius (talk) 04:32, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
• Is a more precise date available for when the station was renamed Brooklyn Bridge–City Hall?
  • Not really. There wasn't any renaming ceremony for this station (unlike at some other stations that were renamed). Epicgenius (talk) 04:32, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
• However, the connection was never opened[101][102] because the BRT did not want to pay the annual rental fee that was mandated for the usage of the connection, it went unused.
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 04:32, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Station layout

• A corridor runs above the eastern side of the IRT station. - I'm guessing this is a pedestrian corridor. I don't know if you need to mention this, though.
  • I have mentioned it anyway. Epicgenius (talk) 01:20, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
• Has the 1,280 passengers per minute figure changes since the station's construction?
  • Not particularly, though the station is far less busy now than it was at the time of its completion. Epicgenius (talk) 01:20, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

BMT Nassau Street Line platforms

• The Chambers Street station has four tracks, three island platforms, and one side platform (originally two); the westernmost side platform has been demolished, while the center island platform and the easternmost side platform are unused. - are the dates that this took place mentioned in the history section?
  • Yes. The "1960s to present" section states: The western side platform was demolished with the expansion of the IRT station between 1960 and 1962.
• no less than 4 inches (100 mm) thick. - does this mean the width varies?
  • Yes, it does. Epicgenius (talk) 23:55, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
• Inconsistent conversion between inches to millimeters and inches to centimeters.
  • I fixed both instances of this (anything over 100 mm is described in terms of centimeters, I think). Epicgenius (talk) 23:55, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Ridership

• By contrast, ridership at the Chambers Street station declined significantly as development in Manhattan moved further northward.
  • Fixed. Epicgenius (talk) 23:55, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
• Has ridership recovered since the height of the COVID-19 pandemic?
  • Not particularly. In 2021, the last year for which data is available, ridership was only one-third of the pre-pandemic peak. I've added 2021 ridership now. Epicgenius (talk) 23:55, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

General comments

• Images are properly licensed.

• Passes the Earwig test.

@Epicgenius: - once remaining comments are addressed, article should be good to go. Bneu2013 (talk) 14:01, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

@Bneu2013: Thanks for the review. I think I've addressed the remaining issues now, except for inflation, which I should do tomorrow. Epicgenius (talk) 23:55, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Looks good. Will be passing. Bneu2013 (talk) 03:28, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet (talk) 17:23, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

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The Chambers Street station

• ... that the Chambers Street station (pictured) was once called "easily one of the most decrepit stations" in the New York City Subway system? Source: Martinez, Jose (May 26, 2018). "Chambers Street station on J/Z line to be upgraded". Spectrum News NY1 New York City
  • ALT1: ... that the Brooklyn Bridge–City Hall/Chambers Street station, once New York City's busiest subway station, was later partially abandoned? Source: "1,611,538,072 Ride in Subway And 'L in Year: Traffic on Interborough and B.-M. T., Greatest in City's History, Shows Increase of 105,462,071 Fares B.-M. T. Leads in Gains 1,074,343,243 Use I.R.T.; 60,388,549 Take Trains at Times Square Station". The New York Herald, New York Tribune. October 12, 1924. p. 11; Kennedy, Randy (May 13, 2003). "Tunnel Vision; They're Subway Experts. Take Their Word on What's Ugly". The New York Times
  • ALT2: ... that the Brooklyn Bridge–City Hall/Chambers Street station, once New York City's busiest subway station, was later partially abandoned as development moved northward? Source: "1,611,538,072 Ride in Subway And 'L in Year: Traffic on Interborough and B.-M. T., Greatest in City's History, Shows Increase of 105,462,071 Fares B.-M. T. Leads in Gains 1,074,343,243 Use I.R.T.; 60,388,549 Take Trains at Times Square Station". The New York Herald, New York Tribune. October 12, 1924. p. 11; Kennedy, Randy (May 13, 2003). "Tunnel Vision; They're Subway Experts. Take Their Word on What's Ugly". The New York Times
  • ALT3: ... that the foundations of a large office building were positioned to avoid the Chambers Street station? Source: "Down in "the Big Hole": Huge Subway Station Will Underlie New Municipal Building". New-York Tribune. November 13, 1910. p. A3.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/All-American Bitch
  • Comment: QPQ pending. more hooks later. The image is only for the first unnumbered hook, ALT0.

Improved to Good Article status by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 15:36, 3 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Brooklyn Bridge–City Hall/Chambers Street station; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: - Not done
Overall: @Epicgenius: Good article. QPQ needed Onegreatjoke (talk) 01:01, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

@Onegreatjoke: Thanks for the review. I've done a QPQ. Epicgenius (talk) 17:08, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Approve. Onegreatjoke (talk) 23:53, 15 September 2023 (UTC)