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Not on National Register, but historically significantEdit

Where could I ask questions about whether the building qualifies for a Wikipedia article, how much I would be allowed to quote from commentary, and what makes the building significant?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:51, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

I suppose the Teahouse might be a good place to start. Generally, though: (1) Article subjects need to be notable, defined as "having received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." So, for example, if you can find three news articles about a building, it's presumed notable. (2) In my opinion, quoting from commentary is rarely warranted, and it's preferable to rephrase in your own words. If the commentator is particularly authoritative or well known, then perhaps a sentence or two would be a good addition to the article, but quotations shouldn't be overly long,, or make up a large portion of the article. (3) I think significance routes through notability - if a building is notable, the sources will include information on its significance. For buildings, I would think significance would be either historical importance or architectural importance. (IMO, of course) Andrew Jameson (talk) 15:25, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
At this point User:Vchimpanzee/Elion-Hutchings Building (I misspelled the name, but changing the article to a draft would have been harder when it was already a redirect when spelled correctly) relies heavily on quotes. I don't feel like I would be doing the description justice if I tried to paraphrase. I don't even know specifically what they mean. I don't even know who I'm quoting in most cases, but the source says it comes from a book and I assume the author of the book is making the statements.
I'm pretty sure the building is considered architecturally significant but it seems to defy the usual styles. One source calls it "modern" and that just doesn't explain it. — Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:24, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
Here is the source that I believe will establish notability, although I think the others go a long way toward that goal. I've removed some quotes and tried to paraphrase, but like I said,I don't feel what I say myself effectively communicates the building's significance. I did cut way down on quotes by the architect himself because I realized those wouldn't be independent.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:29, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject Grand Canyon proposalEdit

Hi there, editors at your Wikiproject may be interesting in the related WikiProject Grand Canyon proposal, which you can see and support here! Kingsif (talk) 08:40, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Wrigley fieldEdit

There is news today that this was made a National Historic Landmark which automatically adds it to the NRHP as well. It has already been added to List of National Historic Landmarks in Illinois but is missing from National Register of Historic Places listings in North Side Chicago. Also missing is a refnum. Can anyone dig that up? MB 23:23, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Browsed for a refnum, but it doesn't seem to have appeared yet in weekly listings. Oddly, this Barron's Nov 19 piece (actually a Agence French Presse work) asserts "Wrigley Field was already on the list of National Register of Historic Places, an honor it received in 1987." Other articles speak to tax breaks the owners will now get, which seems not consistent with that. I can't immediately find any large historic district in which it could have been included. The Wrigley Field article indicates it was a 2004 Chicago listing. --Doncram (talk) 07:11, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
I think that was a editing error in the Barrons article. The Chicago Sun Times says Wrigley Field was eligible for NRHP listing back in 1987 (...but there was no application). This also confirms the 1987 eligibility and has a 404 link to the NPS about that. MB 15:12, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
The Wayback Machine does have a copy of that NPS page. Ntsimp (talk) 19:07, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
It is typically the case that publicity surrounding NHL designation precedes publication of the office actions, which have the details such as the actual listing date and the refnum. Expect these in either this week's or next week's weekly actions. Magic♪piano 14:04, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

NYC buildingsEdit

Penn Club of New York is a new article that had a NRHP infobox. I removed that, because it had the refnum of Engineering Societies' Building and Engineers' Club and I assumed that someone had done a copy/paste when creating the article. The lead also says it is NRHP, but the reference is talking about the Engineers Club building 32 W. 40th St while the Penn Club building is at 30 W 44th St. I'm fairly certain I have corrected the mix-up (the lead still needs to be changed). Can someone confirm these are two different building? Or is the Penn club actually listed under some other name (it was originally the Yale Club of New York City Building? MB 00:40, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

WDEdit

Lately I've been doing pictures, and not so focused on whether it's a historic place. When in a neighborhood I don't visit often, I bring up the WikiShootMe map on my phone and snap pictures of the red dots and sometimes the green. But, the dots come from geocoordinates in Wikidata. Is someone trying to assure that every NRHP gets into WD fairly promptly? Jim.henderson (talk) 16:38, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I don't think anyone's doing that, even for sites that have articles; I spot-checked several articles that I wrote earlier in the year, and most of them hadn't been added to Wikidata. Sites that don't have articles are probably in even worse shape. The good news is, it looks like English Wikipedia articles show up on WikiShootMe too; it won't help with sites that don't have articles yet, but it's something (and might also help with getting those articles linked to Wikidata).
The other problem I'm noticing is that a lot of places that have images don't have those images linked in Wikidata, so they show up in red anyway. That also seems worth addressing. I wonder if there's a way to automate either of these tasks, since getting all of this into Wikidata manually would be quite the undertaking. TheCatalyst31 ReactionCreation 18:14, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
On a different note, I found looking around my town that wikidata had duplicate entries (with different geo-coords) for a demolished theater building. Thanks for letting me know this exists. Chris857 (talk) 19:43, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

LGBTEdit

I saw Darcelle XV Showplace has been listed. I added an NRHP category and portal, and invite project members to make other appropriate improvements/updates. Also made me wonder if there should be a category like Category:LGBT-related National Register of Historic Places, perhaps as a subcategory of Category:LGBT historic places in the United States? ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:55, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Republic Cafe and Ming LoungeEdit

Republic Cafe and Ming Lounge is NOT NRHP-listed, but the restaurant is a non-contributing site of the Portland New Chinatown/Japantown Historic District. I've struggled a bit with how to give readers some sense of the restaurant's architectural and cultural significance without going into too much detail and conflating the business from the building. Here's a link to the form (site #16) if any project members care to further improve the article's summary of the building's significance. Thanks in advance for any suggestions or changes! ---Another Believer (Talk) 02:59, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Multiple register listings?Edit

Hi all - I am posting here vs. template pages to hopefully have replies - would others agree that adding a column to {{NRHP row}} makes sense? I would like to add a column for listings in other registers, primarily for city historic registers. Take a look at Columbus Register of Historic Properties; I would like it to somewhat mirror the city's National Register list. ɱ (talk) 17:49, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

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