Talk:Brian Kelly (American football coach)

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The result of the move request was no consensus — æk^Talk 03:10, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

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Brian Kelly (American football coach) → Brian Kelly — This page has ten times the traffic of all the other "Brian Kellys" combined. Also, the entire first page of a google search for "Brian Kelly" refers to this man. —Pgp688 (talk) 09:14, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose. This an a general encyclopedia, not a googlepedia. Selecting one item as the primary topic because they happen to be the current flavour-of-the-month is a blatant example of recentism, which is a form of systemic bias. It's great that so many editors have created such thorough coverage of current sportspeople on wikipedia, but using current media-driven interest in sport as a rationale for structuring the encyclopedia to downgrade other subjects ultimately serves to downgrade wikipedia's utility as a general encyclopedia. It's like putting the sports news on the first ten pages of the New York Times, and as the first item on the news bulletins. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:08, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

In response to your valid concerns, I would like to point out that the page views I used were for the month of November, before Brian Kelly left his job at Cincinnati and even before Notre Dame fired its head coach. Coach Brian Kelly is no flavor-of-the-month article, as it has consistently received substantially more page views than others with his name, and can only be expected to receive more now that he has accepted a job with a higher profile. I used page views and Google search results to reach this conclusion, because primary topic guidelines suggested it, not because it fit my argument. Although these metrics may be biased towards more recent subjects, I do not believe this to be the case. All but one person named "Brian Kelly" is still living, and the remaining person just died in 2005. --Pgp688 (talk) 06:36, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

• Not Sure If the page were moved, I would simply move it to Brian Kelly (coach) as it does a better job of meeting WP:NAME. While the recentism could easily hold up in most cases, I cannot see that really being the issue in the long haul here. The way I look at it - if someone in China in 20 years was to hear the name Brian Kelly, why would they be most likely to hear that name? Without predicting the future, as it stands now, Kelly (the coach) is easily the most notable Brian Kelly we have around. I would ultimately lean towards yes, but if the decision is to leave the current Brian Kelly page as is, I would definitely move the article to the coach "page." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamnothuman (talk • contribs) 04:03, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
• Support per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. This Brian Kelly seems to be the most common, so it should own Brian Kelly with a hatnote to a disambiguation page. Oren0 (talk) 04:58, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose. There are simply too many notable Brian Kellys out there, as evidenced by the large number of individuals listed on the disambiguation page. There is nothing wrong with the disambiguating phrase (American football coach) that is currently a part of this article's title. Google searching is sometimes useful – I've used it when trying to determing a common name – but I don't think that it's necessarily the best for determining whether or not an article is the primary topic or in this situation in particlular. Coach Kelly may earn the majority of Google Web or Google News hits due to the large coverage of American football, but what about Scholar or Book searches? I'm fairly certain that Coach Kelly won't dominate those searches. JohnnyPolo24 (talk) 20:13, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: moved. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 04:42, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

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Brian Kelly (American football coach) → Brian Kelly (coach) — Brian Kelly (coach) already redirects to Brian Kelly (American football coach). According to Wikipedia's naming conventions' section on Precision and disambiguation, concise titles are generally preferred. Because he is the only coached named Brian Kelly on Wikipedia and the only notable coach by that name that I am aware of, the shorter title ought to be used. --Pgp688 (talk) 17:33, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Support If he's the only coach on the site with that name, no further disambiguation is necessary. Reach Out to the Truth 22:02, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

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Notre Dame section

I'm thinking this should contain different information than just the first few results of his football games. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.115.57.149 (talk) 01:14, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Bowls

Is there a standard convention for when a coach leaves a team prior to a bowl? The way it's laid out now, with no result listed, I initially took it for a mistake before realising what it meant. Maybe the result should be listed, and the footnote applied right next to it, e.g. "L (note) Sugar"... that would indicate Kelly led his team to the bowl, but that his team subsequently lost the bowl, without saddling him with the loss. Or maybe I'm in a minority and nothing needs to be changed. Thoughts? ✤ Fosse 8 ✤ ^talk 08:28, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

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Didn't he have to forfeit all games in 2012 and 2013; his record should reflect that.

10/23/18: It's extremely annoying to go look for a coach's record and not be able to see the actual record in vacated seasons. I mean, he still coached those games and I want to know how the team did those years and I don't care if they were later vacated. I am not going to edit this on the main page now but there needs to be a way to show the actual team record from games played including vacated games instead of leaving it as 0-0.

The explanatory note that follows the listing of his records in 2012 and 2013 can be expanded to detail Notre Dames' record on the field. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:00, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 November 2021

You have to change the date of the hire to the 29th. You also have to get a different source or you got the foxnews date wrong. Eitherway change to 29th and you might want to add fallout. Nareinfurt99 (talk) 15:25, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:31, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Put Declan Sullivan’s Name On the Page

I would like to request that instead of “a student videographer” in the coaching career section for 2011, we change it to “student videographer Declan Sullivan.”. I think it is more appropriate to cite the actual person rather than their role when talking about a tragedy, especially since he was the only serious injury involved. Also, it reads very strangely that just a student videographer died; really seems tacky. Thoughts? (talk) 17:17, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

"Coach Kelly" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Coach Kelly has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 8 § Coach Kelly until a consensus is reached. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:11, 8 August 2023 (UTC)