Talk:Afaqi Khoja revolts

this thing about saying bismallah before eating melons

specifically melons? Or was that just the staple food in the region? Elinruby (talk) 13:19, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

recurring usage of east turkestan

nefarious consistency in using this term, which isnt applied or accepted elsewhere. needs to be vetted — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.175.220.255 (talk) 10:44, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

East Turkestan is this region’s historical name. Propaganda by certain countries won’t undo that. 2001:1970:5163:1200:0:0:0:D51E (talk) 00:57, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

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@VFF0347: You moved this page without discussion on 6 May 2019. Four days ago I reverted this with the comment "reverting undiscussed move". You restored your preferred title, saying falsely that I moved it "without comment". I am asking you to self-revert and open a RM for wider input. The term "Afaqi Khoja Holy War", which you put in title case as if it's a name, is found nowhere in sources. Srnec (talk) 13:46, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Dear Srnec – I apologize. I assumed incorrectly that the article was being vandalized in that the change/revision that you made came of the blue more than three years after the my original move. I mistook your comments for system generated messages. I frankly did not understand what was occurring. I will revert my latest changes and follow your instructions.

I am certainly open to a discussion of the move and will certainly abide by the decision of fellow editors and/or Wikipedia. I thought that I had followed the instructions for the original move when I submitted the request in 2019. Receiving no comments at the time, I assumed that the move was accepted as valid.

At the time that I made the move I had spent considerable time investigating the subject and revising the article. As I read the article, it seemed to me that the event was more of a war than a revolt. To me a revolt is a situation where citizens of a existing government attempt to take power. In this situation it seemed to me that outsiders (the Qing) had taken the territory in a war of conquest and that the vanquished people (the Muslims) were continuing the war in an attempt to regain control of their country.

Although as you said, no one labels this period of conflict as a holy war, I found numerous mentions in the listed references to the use of religion by the Muslims in an effort to motivate resistance against the occupation by the Qing. I, therefore, chose to call the conflict a holy war. Perhaps my error. At a minimum, I continue to believe that calling the conflict a revolt is misleading. Perhaps it should be called the Afaqi Khoja War or the Afaqi Khoja Conflict. VFF0347 (talk) 19:14, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

No worries. You didn't do anything wrong the first time. I am open to a move, but I would prefer more input from other knowledgeable users (if there are any). My understanding is that "revolt" refers to the fact that this conflict pertains to the period after the initial Qing conquest. Srnec (talk) 01:09, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Shall we just leave it as "Afaqi Khoja revolts"? If yes, shall I go into the article and substitute "revolts" in those places where it currently speaks of a holy war? Thanks. VFF0347 (talk) 01:43, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm OK with it as is, but I'm also open to a move. I just think we need some more knowledgeable editors to jump in. I left a notice at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history. —Srnec (talk) 04:40, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

I agree with your approach. Thanks for your help and guidance. VFF0347 (talk) 05:03, 10 August 2022 (UTC)