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The logo is just a graphic of text, there is really no need for it at all so I've removed it. -- Horkana (talk) 05:02, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

The O2 and ice hockey usability?Edit

Hi.


I've been to see the Belfast Giants a few times when visiting NI, and I was wondering if the 02 in Dublin is potentially usable as a hockey arena the way the Odyssey Arena currently is - or, at least, is the potential there to host a hockey team in the 02 in the future without too much infrastructural work? --Nerroth (talk) 20:31, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure, I haven't come across anything in my search for references. But if it can host wrestling and boxing... --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 00:10, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Anything is possible but it would seem highly unlikely and most likely impractical. The Odyssey is a rink first and a concert venue second. The Point (or whatever ya call it) is has a wide layout and it would be awkward to have the crowd on more than one side of the rink, not to mention the difficulty of setting up a temporary rink of adequate quality for an ice hockey game. Previous Disney on Ice events have been held at the RDS and in 2010 Citywest. RDS would probably be the best bet but the scale of this operation should not be underestimated, ask an expert, not here.
I think there was a mention of the republic finally getting a decent ice rink in Dundalk or Drogheda ... one of those D places outside Dublin :P ... it may already exist and it would be the more likely location for any kind of ice hockey match.
This question is entirely offtopic by the way and really shouldn't be here, this page is supposed to be just for dicussing the article about the venue, not general discussion of the venue. -- Horkana (talk) 04:03, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Notable upcoming eventsEdit

I understand that the 02 Dublin is a notable entertainment venue, but does the "Notable upcoming events" section not seem to be a great way of the 02 to get free advertising? I can see arguements for removing the section (advertising), and i can also understand arguements for keeping the section (it is an entertainment venue, and it is listing the entertainment that it will be providing). Anybody with an opinion either way on this? (i'm getting splinters in my back-side from sitting on the fence). Best, Darigan (talk) 13:56, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I have noticed this and don't think they should all be there but it requires constant care. Some of these events stand out, for instance Paul McCartney performing his second Irish concert as part of a European Tour which has only seven other dates or even Whitney Houston's first shows for more than a decade. Some have their own articles so maybe... The Resistance TourMuse won a major award this week so it might help their case... but I don't understand the significance of many of the rest... Yusuf Islam, Paramore and Kenny Rogers have little context. The Prodigy, their fourth Irish performance in the last two years? Tickets for Lily Allen are apparently still on sale which suggests an ordinary enough event. The Childline event happens each year; the 2008 concert was notable as the first event to take place at this venue but no reason is given for including the 2009 concert... "Other acts that are due to perform include David Gray, Imelda May, Mark Knopfler, JLS, Chris de Burgh, The Prodigy, The X Factor, Simple Minds, Eddie Izzard, UB40, Bill Bailey, Russell Brand, Arctic Monkeys, Kasabian, Horslips, James Morrison, Tom Jones, Elton John, The Nolans, The Backstreet Boys & Madness"... completely unnecessary if they aren't individually important enough to have their own sentence... agree/disagree? --candlewicke 01:55, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi Candlewicke (and anybody watching), i certainly agree that some of the upcoming acts at the O2 are higher profile than others, but i fear that if were to create a distinction between a high and low profile acts, that could create its own problems (given the differing musical tastes throughout the wiki-sphere). I have just had a look at the The O2 (London) entry and that doesn't seem to mention upcoming acts at all, but it does refer to high-profile acts and performances that have already occured. Is that a better way to handle this article - i won't make any changes to the "Notable Upcoming Events" section now, i'd rather have some form of consensus first - anybody want to offer an opinion? Cheers, Darigan (talk) 09:46, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Oh I'm not expressing my own musical preferences there at all, just trying to determine if there is any valid reason for some of them to be there. Yusuf Islam might be important after all... it is just so difficult to tell when more and more acts are added without citations or claims of significance. Someone performing for the first time in several decades is probably more important than someone performing several times in one decade... --candlewicke 21:31, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
I removed the "Notable upcoming events" title, merged anything in the future which appeared important into the previous section and hopefully that will discourage the addition of every single new event that is announced. --candlewicke 20:39, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure what to do about Jonas Brothers and Miley Cyrus. Are they important or can I remove them? The former are a boy band which has sold 8 million albums (Depeche Mode by contrast have sales of 100 million + and a 30-year career) and the latter has been listed in Time magazine's 100 Most Influential People in The World. --candlewicke 20:56, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
I think that this is where different musical tastes may come in - If you were to ask a Depeche mode fan about how notable they thought Miley Cyrus or the Jonas Brothers are, they may have no idea who you were talking about. However, if you were to ask a Disney Channel-watching teeny-bopper about the notability of Miley Cyrus or the Jonas Brothers you would probably get a very different response (BTW -I'm not intending to stereotype anybody, simply reverting to broad generalisations to make a point..... oops). Personally (as somebody who is not a fan of any of the afore-mentioned acts), i would argue that Depeche Mode clearly have more than enough notability to be mentioned, but i would see the inclusion of Miley Cyrus and the Jonas Brothers as dubious at best. Cheers, Darigan (talk) 09:38, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Done. Does it look better now? --candlewicke 11:04, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi CW, i reckon it looks better. What we really need is a reasonable number of people to weigh-in with their opinions - A concensus between two wikipedians is not a terribly strong concensus. Thanks for all of the work that you've been dong to the article recently. Best, Darigan (talk) 11:14, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Can i ask why out of the entire time this page has been up nobody ahs included both of Girls Aloud's sold out nights here back on the 2nd and 3rd of May, 2009. After all they were one of the first single pop acts to play at the venue and Cheryl Cole is a member of the group —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.93.82 (talk) 00:23, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

WP:NOTNEWS The section should go, Wikipedia aims to be an encyclopedia. You might mention one or two events as having been particularly notable but ongoing events do not seem at all appropriate. There is nothing there that seems like it would really be notable even in a few months time let alone a year or two. It is already far too heavily weighted in favour of events from 2010. If you really want to justify keeping this you would need to show other venues have such list and include references from local newspapers to show just quite how notable or significant the events were. -- Horkana (talk) 04:10, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

@86.42.93.82: The first event at this venue was the 2008 ChildLine Concert and this is mentioned so there is no bias against pop music. I'm not sure why Cheryl Cole being a member of the group makes the performance of Girls Aloud significant. Compare the controversy surrounding the Yusuf Islam performance for example (the audience walking out, the musician appearing on a chat show the next month to explain himself), or even Spandau Ballet (opened their first world tour in two decades at this venue) or the first boxing event ("also Ireland's first world championship boxing match in thirteen years"). I'm now going to remove Lady Gaga's third performance in a venue which hasn't yet been opened for two years and the uncited line about Peter Kay. --candlewicke 10:39, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

If you pretend for a moment this is a real encyclopedia and imagine the article is not just news but a long lived item describing a venue not just now but over many decades most of this section is junk that in the timescale of a printed book encyclopedia would be long out of date and not notable enough to merit printing. Sure we have space and things can be updated but do we really want to go there for this? Besides the claim that this venue is somehow wholly new and different from the Point Theatre is a marketing invention to justify the sponsorship money paid by an advertiser. The Reuters article referenced even describes the Point Theatre as being renamed, it's just not a different venue despite how well they marketed the change and rebranding and how much of an improvement the rebuild was. There are plenty of other venues that have been refitted and rebuilt that didn't need a whole new name. With this is mind any claims of "firsts" at the location are utter nonsense, or at best minor events in the overall long term existence of the venue. I've trimmed the long list of events from the intro, it should only briefly summarize the very few most important events, and I'll resist the temptation to delete the whole section but I'll take a look at trimming it down more to the least frivolous items again later. -- Horkana (talk) 03:02, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm less and less willing to believe people will resist the urge any and every event they think is even vaguely notable. The whole section feels far too much like news and not very much like material that will be notable after even a few years as you might expect information in an encyclopedia to be. The O2 London and the O2 Arena are split apart, the latter article is nearly all about events held there. Resisting the urge to delete the whole section, splitting out the events part of this article and allowing the rest of the article to become stable might be a good idea. Will leave it for now but if in a week or two there's a split don't say you didn't have a chance to comment. -- Horkana (talk) 00:50, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

The Luas StopEdit

"The Luas Red Line extension to the Point opened on December 8, 2009 to coincide with a performance by Lily Allen.[63][64]"

Is it right to say it was opened to coincide with the Lily Allen performance, or that the opening coincided with a Lily Allen performance? I suspect that the latter may be the case. Darigan (talk) 10:58, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

"Luas Red Line extension to open on Tuesday". The Irish Times. According to the RPA, passengers will be offered free travel on the entire Red Line from 3pm on Tuesday immediately after the official opening, until 12.30am, when the line closes. The offer coincides with a potential audience of up to 13,000 people at the Lily Allen concert in the 02.
Read the sources. I wanted to make it clear the station was called "the Point". I was paraphrasing, I didn't want to use exactly the same wording as as the Irish Times to avoid directly copying it. Feel free to rephrase to more closely match the sources, can't argue with that. -- Horkana (talk) 13:24, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Opening SectionEdit

Me-thinks the opening section is becoming a bit overcrowded with a growing list of people/artists/bands that have performed at the O2:

Artists that have performed at The O2 include Britney Spears, David Bowie, Lady Gaga, Beyoncé, P!nk, The Rolling Stones, Tina Turner, Leonard Cohen, Andrea Bocelli, Coldplay, Neil Young, Roger Waters, Stevie Wonder, Kings of Leon, U2, Pearl Jam, Rage Against the Machine, New Kids on the Block, Paul McCartney, Whitney Houston, Green Day, Dave Matthews Band & Muse among others.

This list, if is to be included at all, should surely have a home lower down in the article - Any concensus for cutting out this paragraph from section one, and then perhaps including it in a bulleted list format lower down under tha auspices of 'notable' performers? Darigan (talk) 10:49, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Notable/historic performancesEdit

Some of the entries in this section just list trivia about the artist - for example:

  • U2 were the first band to play in the venue, when Bono and The Edge performed "Van Diemen's Land" and "Desire" to a private audience. (Surely naming individual songs played is trivia?)
  • Coldplay played The O2 in two fully-seated shows as part of their Viva la Vida Tour in December 2008, with tickets selling out within ten minutes. (Trivia about how quick tickets sell is quite common in this section.)
  • Two dates by Chris Brown in January 2009 quickly sold out when they went on sale,[18] with the star planning an after show party at Twentyone club on D'Olier Street. (After show party not really important, nor was it in the same location.)
  • Tina Turner performed two shows at The O2 on 26–27 March 2009, the first of which was announced on 28 August 2008.[26] Tickets went on sale on 4 September 2008.[27] Both dates sold out in a record breaking 20 minutes. On 17 September 2008, a third 11 April 2009 date was announced with the pre-sale beginning on 20 September 2008.[26] When this sold out a fourth date (12 April 2009) was announced on 22 September 2008, with tickets immediately going on sale. (Yet more ticket trivia.)
  • AC/DC played The O2[30] on 18 April 2009 as part of their Black Ice World Tour. Tickets went on sale on 17 October 2008, the same day that their first studio album in eight years, Black Ice, was released in Ireland.[31] They sold out within three minutes.[32] (Ticket trivia.)
  • On 13 October 2009, the reformed Spandau Ballet played the O2 in the first date of their planned world tour, in a first since they split nearly twenty years previously. (Does the bands' history need to be included?)
  • Muse performed at The O2 on 6 November as part of The Resistance Tour,[41] an arena tour which sold out within minutes on the back of a number one album in at least sixteen countries.[42] (Tour trivia.)
  • Depeche Mode, a band according to The Irish Times that have sold around 100 million records internationally and whose tours sell several million tickets, brought their Tour of the Universe to The O2 on December 10. (Irrelevant statistics here.)
  • Miley Cyrus played to a sell out crowd.[citation needed] She was so popular her tickets sold out in a record time of 3 minutes.[citation needed]. (More trivia about fast-selling tickets. Is this just over-enthusiastic fans or is there something else happening here?)
  • On December 20, Paul McCartney played the O2 in his first Irish concert since his May 2003 concert which was his first Irish show since he played with The Beatles in the 1960s.[48][49] The concert is part of an eight-date tour called Good Evening Europe.[48][49][50] The show was attended by industry professionals such as Ian Dempsey, Dave Fanning, Ryan Tubridy and Louis Walsh who flew in especially from the UK.[51][52] Evening Herald reviewer Chris Wasser described the show as "an astonishing performance, and a late -- but by all means, welcome -- contender for gig of the year, if not the decade".[51] Eamon Sweeney of the Irish Independent called it "one of the finest live performances of recent memory [...] It really doesn't get any better than this".[53] (Trivia about guests and quotes from reviews - if the concert or tour had an article they would be appropriate there, but not in an article about a venue.)
  • Whitney Houston played three dates at the O2 on 17th, 18 and 20 April as part of her first tour for at least eleven years. (Singers' history - belongs in article on artist in question.)
  • In October 2010 singer Lady Gaga will bring her The Monster Ball Tour to The O2 for 3 dates, making it GaGa's 5th appearance at The O2 in 2010 having played 2 dates in February. Tickets for this event all sold out within 5 minutes of release, putting demand on the singer to add more dates. (More ticket triva.)

What should be mentioned? Notable artists (admittedly subjective), unusual circumstances (controversy, volcanic delay).

What shouldn't be mentioned? History of the band (e.g. splits), ticket trivia, tour trivia, etc. In short, anything that isn't directly related to the artists' appearance. The section is quite crowded as it is, so the unimportant stuff should be taken out with a scythe.Autarch (talk) 19:09, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Agreed - Its far too long and needs dramatic cutting. I'll make a *start* now Darigan (talk) 12:49, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
I've pasted in the cut-out content from this section below if anybody wants to reinstate it as 'notable', but the section did (and still does) require heavy editing -

On 5 January 2009, The Mighty Boosh was the first comedy act to perform at the venue. Two dates by Chris Brown in January 2009 quickly sold out when they went on sale, with the star planning an after show party at Twentyone club on D'Olier Street. UFC 93 took place on 17 January 2009, being the first mixed martial arts event to take place in The O2. The Killers opened a UK and Ireland arena tour at The O2 on 20 February 2009; the entire tour quickly sold out. The Priest Feast Tour featuring Judas Priest, Megadeth and Testament played The O2 on 10 February 2009 prior to the start of its seven-concert UK run. Snow Patrol played The O2 on 28 February and 1 March 2009, as part of their Taking Back the Cities Tour. The O2's first boxing bout which was also Ireland's first world championship boxing match in thirteen years, took place on the 21st March 2009, where Bernard Dunne defeated World champion Ricardo "El Maestrito" Cordoba for the WBA Super Bantamweight title. Tina Turner performed two shows at The O2 on 26–27 March 2009, the first of which was announced on 28 August 2008. Tickets went on sale on 4 September 2008. Both dates sold out in a record breaking 20 minutes. On 17 September 2008, a third 11 April 2009 date was announced with the pre-sale beginning on 20 September 2008. When this sold out a fourth date (12 April 2009) was announced on 22 September 2008, with tickets immediately going on sale. AC/DC played The O2 on 18 April 2009 as part of their Black Ice World Tour. Tickets went on sale on 17 October 2008, the same day that their first studio album in eight years, Black Ice, was released in Ireland. They sold out within three minutes. Bob Dylan played two shows at The O2 on 5–6 May 2009. American pop star Britney Spears brought her The Circus Starring Britney Spears tour to the arena on June 19, and 20 2009 to a sold out audience.

On 13 October 2009, the reformed Spandau Ballet played the O2 in the first date of their planned world tour, in a first since they split nearly twenty years previously. Muse performed at The O2 on 6 November as part of The Resistance Tour, an arena tour which sold out within minutes on the back of a number one album in at least sixteen countries. Yusuf Islam opened his first world tour in 33 years at The O2 on 15 November 2009, giving his debut Irish concert. The show was controversial with many audience members walking out in protest at the performance. Yusuf returned to discuss the controversy on The Late Late Show the following month.

Depeche Mode, a band according to The Irish Times that have sold around 100 million records internationally and whose tours sell several million tickets, brought their Tour of the Universe to The O2 on December 10. On December 16 and 17, Miley Cyrus played to a sell out crowd.[citation needed] She was so popular her tickets sold out in a record time of 3 minutes.[citation needed] On December 20, Paul McCartney played the O2 in his first Irish concert since his May 2003 concert which was his first Irish show since he played with The Beatles in the 1960s. The concert is part of an eight-date tour called Good Evening Europe. The show was attended by industry professionals such as Ian Dempsey, Dave Fanning, Ryan Tubridy and Louis Walsh who flew in especially from the UK. Evening Herald reviewer Chris Wasser described the show as "an astonishing performance, and a late -- but by all means, welcome -- contender for gig of the year, if not the decade". Eamon Sweeney of the Irish Independent called it "one of the finest live performances of recent memory [...] It really doesn't get any better than this".

Tiësto played the O2 on 19 March 2010, becoming the first DJ to perform at the venue. Whitney Houston played three dates at the O2 on 17th, 18 and 20 April as part of her first tour for at least eleven years. This received international publicity when she was forced to travel by ferry from Holyhead on 15 April due to the air travel disruption around Europe in the aftermath of the eruption of Eyjafjallajökull in Iceland. In May 2010 Biffy Clyro performed the venue's first live webcast.

Rihanna bring her Last Girl on Earth Tour at the O2 on May 22,2010 , and come again on May 26, 2010 due to high demand of tickets.

Iron Maiden will perform at on 30 July 2010. The show will be the first performance for the band, on the summer leg of "The Final Frontier World Tour 2010" on European soil.

On September 1, Guns N' Roses will perform at the venue as part of their Chinese Democracy World Tour.[citation needed]

In October 2010 singer Lady Gaga will bring her The Monster Ball Tour to The O2 for 3 dates, making it GaGa's 5th appearance at The O2 in 2010 having played 2 dates in February. Tickets for this event all sold out within 5 minutes of release, putting demand on the singer to add more dates.[citation needed]

Bill Bailey will return to The O2 once again on September 30th with his new show which will be recorded for his new DVD. An extra date was added for November 1st due to public demand.


Darigan (talk) 12:59, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!Autarch (talk) 17:31, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
The beast is still growing, and this time its been split in two. With all due respect to the wikipedians that have contributed since I cut quite a lot of these performances out a while ago, this section looks terrible. I'm not saying that a dramatic cull is necessarily the correct option, but I think that we should use to talk page to discuss how this section moves forward. Autarch has already pointed out that subjectivity may pose some headaches, but I firmly believe that we should all work together to get this section up to scratch. Darigan (talk) 12:14, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Any consensus on venue capacity?Edit

The article contradicts itself several time about the current capacity of the venue. There is also some confusion as to whether this 14,000-14,500 value refers to seated or seated/standing capacity. Here, List of indoor arenas in Europe, 14,500 is given as the seated capacity. But this article gives 9,500 as the all-seated value.

Is there any consensus as the to the actual capacity? I can't find an official value anywhere online.

Ssuuiittee (talk) 13:35, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi, the venue capacity is 14,700.. 8,200 standing and 6,500 seated.. 9,500 all seated with the retractable seats put where standing should be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trey99 (talkcontribs) 20:42, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

The above are all lies. The capacity is 13,000 and that's that.

MergeEdit

The O2 has just been renamed, nothing else. A new article -> 3Arena is not needed. 86.45.66.18 (talk) 11:10, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Moving this page to 3Arena would seem to be appropriate. -- 109.76.243.60 (talk) 17:24, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
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Moved without opposition. bd2412 T 18:17, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

3Arena (Dublin)3Arena – The venue has been renamed from The O2 to the 3Arena. A new (and unnecessary) article was created at 3Arena, which now redirects to here. Despite this move request, a non-admin has moved the page from The O2 (Dublin) to 3Arena (Dublin). As disambiguation is not required, it should be moved to 3Arena. Snappy (talk) 22:12, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Support per nom. Unreal7 (talk) 19:25, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

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Official capacity of venue.Edit

The official capacity is 14,500 this has been achieved many times over.. most recently at 2fms Xmas ball.. with 14,500 in attendance. Rammsteing struck 14,600, iron maiden currently has 14,550 tickets on sale. 13,000 is not the capacity.. it contradicts itself.. 3,500 standing and remaining 9,500 seated.. how is that possible if it is 9,500 all seated with no standing? Optimum standing is 3,500 for shows like 5 days of summer to accommodate younger people. Fully retractable seats are taking away to give the standing area the capacity of 8,000.. these numbers a are verified by many sources. Trey99 (talk) 02:40, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Nonsense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8084:2163:2300:193D:3E91:C30C:53CF (talk) 16:50, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

VandalismEdit

The capacity is 13,000 (9,000 all seated). Vandals keep changing this based on delusional. Can this be locked to prevent this nonsense.

Sources are what is needed. I found an old source that has the same figures as you say.
Paul Melia (3 July 2008). "O2 wins naming rights for 'stunning' new Point". Irish Independent. It will cater for 9,300 people seated, or 13,000 seated and standing
If people disagree they will need to provide reliable sources. -- 109.77.226.122 (talk) 04:31, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

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