Talk:Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present)

Edit request - change 19 soldiers killed to 18 soldiers killed

Hi, in the casualties it says: "19 soldiers killed (3 non-combat)". Please change it to "18 soldiers killed (3 non-combat)", as this is the number used in the refrenced article.

In the description of the amount of Israeli soldiers casualties the article is being cited as:

"Fifteen soldiers and a local security officer have also been killed in attacks claimed by the Hezbollah and Palestinian Islamic Jihad terror groups on the border with Lebanon since the fighting started... The military's list also includes a soldier killed by friendly fire in the West Bank, a soldier killed due to malfunctioning ammunition on the Lebanon border, two soldiers killed in a tank accident in northern Israel, and a number of other deadly incidents amid the war but not directly related to the fighting."

But the "soldier killed by friendly fire in the West Bank" part isn't relevant to this article (and also covered by another wikipedia article here).

Additionaly, I suggest shortening the added description only to the relevnat parts:

"Fifteen soldiers and a local security officer have also been killed in attacks claimed by the Hezbollah and Palestinian Islamic Jihad terror groups on the border with Lebanon since the fighting started... The military's list also includes ... a soldier killed due to malfunctioning ammunition on the Lebanon border, two soldiers killed in a tank accident in northern Israel"

Guy Haddad 1 (talk) 09:58, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

you lost all credibility when you said "Palestinian Islamic Jihad terror groups" Waterlover3 (talk) 11:54, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

They're quoting this article [1] Chomik! (talk?) 13:29, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

This is the quote that already appears in this wiki article, not something that I wrote. Guy Haddad 1 (talk) 07:59, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

I think the number includes the security officer killed. I clarified that in the infobox. Chomik! (talk?) 14:11, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Are you sure? As I understand it, there are 15 soldiers and security officers that have been killed in combat. In addition, there are 3 that were killed due to non-combat incidents (but related to the Hezbollah-Israel conflict).

Anyway, thank you for the clarification that tou have made. Guy Haddad 1 (talk) 08:05, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Shortened the quote for sake of clarification as you requested. EkoGraf (talk) 16:50, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Name change?

In the inevitable event of an all out Israel lebanon/hezbollah war, would it be better to rename to war instead of conflict? DeadlyRampage26 (talk) 13:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 July 2024

add July 2024 section to events as July has began and this conflict is still ongoing 173.72.3.91 (talk) 20:01, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

 Already done PianoDan (talk) 21:47, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 July 2024 (2)

Hezbollah CLAIM their death TOLL is 359 (latest) , the source (l'orient) claims 450 which ONE IS TRUE? 2A00:23C8:180E:EE00:30A5:AD39:AF36:CDE (talk) 20:58, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. PianoDan (talk) 21:47, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

I’m not asking for changes asking for verification since numbers of Hezbollah killed is different to that of what has been listed 450. Hezbollah have not claimed 450 have been killed but 365/366. So both can’t be right. Or be listed 365/366-450 killed as such in casualties box. 2A00:23C8:180E:EE00:68AF:96E8:F5A2:9220 (talk) 21:47, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

should this be included in the Header?

Recently, Anthony Blinken, current American secretary of state has made the following statement:

The inability of Israelis to return to settlements and homes in the north of the country led to Anthony Blinken stating that Israel had effectively "lost sovereignty in the northern quadrant of its country".

someone as high up as Blinken saying that Israel has effectively lost soveriegnity over the Northern quadrant of Israel is, quite frankly, huge. However, adding this right away to the header could be controversial, so I wanted to ask here first Genabab (talk) 23:56, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

References

Trim units involved?

The "Units involved" section of Template:Infobox military conflict is getting a bit out of hand in my opinion. Its detail makes it long, and it's probably still far from comprehensive. It also adds a lot of sources, some of questionable reliability, that we wouldn't otherwise need.

The infobox docs say: When there is a large number of participants, it may be better to list only the three or four major groups on each side of the conflict, and to describe the rest in the body of the article.

Should we limit it to just "top level" militaries, such as Hezbollah, the IDF, and IRGC? Or is there some middle ground that would keep a bit more detail but not too much? — xDanielx ^T/_C\^R 16:20, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 July 2024

Hezbollah death toll (Kia) is 365/366- according to their figures. can someone please tell me why it’s at 450 (l’orient reference) has that been verified at all. THANKS 2A00:23C8:180E:EE00:68AF:96E8:F5A2:9220 (talk) 21:42, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – macaddct1984 ^{(talk | contribs)} 14:14, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 July 2024

Hezbollah death toll should be changed to 372 killed. 450 have not been killed nor verified. hezbollah have not confirmed not posted 450 killed as such by l'orient. 109.144.22.45 (talk) 20:33, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Left guide (talk) 22:41, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

heballa

After the elimination of 4 Hizbollah terrorists by the Radwan force, the terrorist organization responded by firing dozens of rockets at Zefo Israel. A direct hit on a soccer field near a playground in Majdal Shams, the injured - children.

https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/r17nz5zkc#autoplay — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.70.25.92 (talk) 15:58, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Update: At least 30 people were injured - and some were killed - by a direct hit this afternoon (Saturday) from a rocket that exploded on a soccer field near a playground in Majdal Shams. They were hurt while playing football. MDA CEO Eli Bin informed that seven children who were injured are in critical condition. Another ten people were seriously injured, and are being evacuated with the help of MDA and Air Force helicopters to the hospitals. According to MDA, the victims are children and boys between the ages of 10 and 20. "It's a battlefield," Eli Bin described the harsh scenes at the scene

https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/r17nz5zkc#autoplay 87.70.25.92 (talk) 16:38, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Naser, a resident of Majdal Shams told Ynet about the moment of the impact on the soccer field in the village, and said that "this is the first time there has been a fall here. There was an alarm, I didn't have time to put my hands on my head - and there was an explosion. It exploded in less than half a second."

https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/hyxlbozk0#autoplay 87.70.25.92 (talk) 16:53, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

https://www.mako.co.il/news-military/2024_q2/Article-e62124960d4f091026.htm?sCh=31750a2610f26110&pId=173113802h 87.70.25.92 (talk) 16:56, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

User:Pachu Kannan 87.70.25.92 (talk) 16:58, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Please see WP:EDITREQ. Pachu Kannan (talk) 18:03, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Please see WP:ERW and click on the page is protected to make an edit request. Pachu Kannan (talk) 18:07, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Renewed evacuations in northern israel

I have just been evacuated from northern Israel for the army is gearing up for a retaliatory offensive into Lebanon. I have been told that the offensive is set to begin 45 minutes from now but have heard nothing. Prepare the editors for impartial updates on the subject 2A01:73C0:501:D1EA:A05A:AA41:782:678C (talk) 19:10, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Source? Waleed (talk) 16:52, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 31 July 2024

Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) → Israel–Hezbollah war (2023–present) – It seems like an all out war now Hezbollah has struck in golan heights of israel killing 12 people and israel has struck inside beirut targeting a hezbollah commander so i think it is fair to call it a war not just a conflict anymore. 173.72.3.91 (talk) 15:03, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Let's wait for now. Different reliable media are calling conflict, fighting, and war. But occurrences of "war" is relatively low as of now. Supporting coverage: CNA, CNN, TIE, and BBC. Waonderer (talk) 20:44, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Inclusion of minor Individuals in the "commanders and leader" section

I don't think individuals like Lieutenant colonel Alim Abdallah, or Ali Hussein Barji should be considered among their respective sides "commanders and leaders". These are mid level commanders at most, there are probably 20 Lieutenant colonels of the idf currently deployed along the Lebanese border... 2A13:54C2:F000:50D0:A958:E79A:1629:FD1E (talk) 17:52, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

A valid point. I'm not knowledgeable enough to remove the names. Anyone? — kashmīrī ^TALK 22:22, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

@Kashmiri: It appears that when a high-ranking member of the organizations listed in the infobox dies, their name is indiscriminately added to the list. I agree that the list needs cleaning, and I think that only the names of the highest ranking leaders should appear. Nythar (💬-🍀) 23:05, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

We can start by removing the two names I suggested, I'm not super familiar with hezbollah internal hierarchy, so if somebody has any additional input, that would help.

What I'm certain of is that a lieutenant colonel shouldn't be considered among the idf 'leaders'.... 2A13:54C2:F000:50D0:A958:E79A:1629:FD1E (talk) 08:58, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

I'd remove everyone except:

- Hassan Nasrallah

- Naim Qassem

- Benjamin Netanyahu

- Yoav Gallant

- Ori Gordin

The list is artificially inflated at the moment because it seems like any kill, no matter how insignificant is being added as if they were significant. -- RisingTzar (talk) 18:07, 2 August 2024 (UTC)