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Project work

I've just been thinking about a few immediate projects we might be able to start getting going with.

• I notice a few teams don't have complete final player details yet; this would be good to fix up soon
• there's still quite a few national teams without articles; perhaps it'd be good to get a least of all of these together and plow through them all
• does anyone know of any decent sources for player information? It'd be really good if we could get all current (and start thinking about doing past) players, but I'm worried about being able to find good information for those of us without newspaper archive access

Anyway, just some things to start thinking about. Rebecca (talk) 05:19, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I think we need to figure out who is doing what - so far three of us started building a project banner template! (Mine would have been finished except the kids kept me away from the computer all day). As I said on someone's talk page, I'm not much of an expert on the actual game, so I can focus on the project page and templates for now. (Puts in first claim to develop player infobox). dramatic (talk) 09:14, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

You're absolutely right. I'd like to develop some userboxes and invite banners for the project. I've also made a draft main page for the project at User:Liveste/Netball, for which I've tried to incorporate ideas from different editors. Let me know what you think. Cheers. – Liveste (talk • edits) 12:50, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Would anyone mind if we used my abovementioned draft? If there are no major objections, I'll go ahead and revise the main page tomorrow. Cheers. – Liveste (talk • edits) 04:47, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I think it's a great start - nice work! Rebecca (talk) 13:04, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Looks nice Matt (talk) 21:24, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. I've revised the main page as stated. Anyone can make whatever changes they want, whether it be small, large or total. Cheers. – Liveste (talk • edits) 01:25, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Would it be possible to find space in this for a to-do list? I'd like to start picking off the most notable topics with articles, with a goal towards (in the not-too-distant future) at least having articles on every ANZ championship player, every national team, and every national competition team. Rebecca (talk) 10:44, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good. Something like that could go wherever you'd like, but preferably in between the "Scope" and "Selected article" sections when editing the page. There are a lot of small sections that can be moved around to accommodate it, or another section could be added if needed. Cheers again. – Liveste (talk • edits) 01:32, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Is there any chance you could make up a new format for the to-do list? The general tempate is next to useless for our project, because we're starting from such a low base: there's barely anything to assess, most of the existing articles could do with some work, and most of the work we still need is in writing articles. It'd be really good if we could have a section for each area in which we need articles: national teams, domestic teams, and biographies being the three most glaring holes. Rebecca (talk) 07:31, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Assessing article importance

We also need to determine what articles are of "top" importance to the WikiProject (remembering that we're supposed to be an international collaborative effort) and what are of "low" importance, as well as everything in between. Here are a few of my suggestions, but they're far from complete. Comments welcome.

Top:	Netball, indoor netball, IFNA, World Champs, Top national teams
High:	Other national teams in the World Champs
Mid:	All other national teams
Low:	Past domestic netball teams

Not quite sure where to put elite domestic (or multi-national) competitions and their teams. Same problem for biographies. Should we have an underlying philosophy to determine importance? Again, thoughts welcome. Cheers. – Liveste (talk • edits) 13:31, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I would put the elite competitions in High and their teams in Mid, and players in low (this should generally be pyramid-shaped. There might be criteria for putting the top 20% of players in mid. What would that equate to in years of elite competition or number of internationals? dramatic (talk) 19:52, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I've compiled a draft importance scale below.

Top:	Netball, Indoor netball, IFNA, Netball World Championships
High:	Top national teams; Elite domestic/multi-national netball competitions
Mid:	Other national teams; High-profile biographies; Individual World Championships (e.g., 1963 Championship); Teams and seasons of elite domestic/multinational competitions
Low:	Other domestic teams and biographies

If everyone agrees, I'll add this scheme to the assessment department page within 48 hours. Using this, we can assess netball-related articles fairly consistently, instead of leaving them as unassessed. Cheers. – Liveste (talk • edits) 01:15, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

That looks sensible. Am I good to start classifying articles by importance? Matt (talk) 04:18, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

The sooner the better. – Liveste (talk • edits) 04:28, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Lania Barrett-Chasse

We have two articles on her at different spellings - google was no help in determining which spelling is correct. dramatic (talk) 02:48, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Player profiles on both the Southern Steel and ANZ Championship websites list her name as Liana Barrett-Chase. A google search of this name gives more substantial output. I'll redirect both pages to this title now. Cheers. – Liveste (talk • edits) 05:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

ANZ Championship statistics

In the ANZ Championship, teams that have equal points on the ladder are sorted by "goal percentage". Currently, this statistic isn't released on the Internet until about a week after matches are played. I'm guessing that this statistic would be included in post-match analyses on telecasts, so I'd like to ask if anyone watching match telecasts can also note either the goal percentages for each team or, even better, the number of shots at goal attempted. I'm asking because I'd like to include goal percentages on the {{ANZ Championship Season 2008 Ladder}} template (which could probably do with a rename), but having to wait a week for these statistics would make a mockery of an "updated" table. Cheers. – Liveste (talk • edits) 04:47, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't think I have pay TV access, but I'll have to check sometime. I think it's worth having an updated table, even if it takes a week to adjust, anyway. Rebecca (talk) 13:04, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

These statistics are frustrating! On one hand, the ANZ Championship website is now releasing the goal percentage statistics a lot sooner. But on the other, the (cumulative) goal percentages for each team don't all correspond with their positions on the ladder; they also don't exactly match the statistics on post-match telecast analyses.

The ANZ Championship site specifically names the goal percentage statistic as the first piece of information used to sort teams on the ladder with equal points. I'm assuming that they're referring to cumulative goal percentage, which as I understand it (correct me if I'm wrong), equals cumulative "goals scored" divided by cumulative "goals attempted", multiplied by 100. Assuming that this is correct, then the Southern Steel should be fifth on the ladder at the end of Round 2, and not seventh as the website (and other websites) have published. I'm guessing that I've missed something, but I don't know what that could be. Any ideas? – Liveste (talk • edits) 01:32, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

The ANZ Championship website now publishes goal percentage stats straight after each game. It appears that goal percentage = "100 × goals scored / goals conceded". This correlates well with the ladder, and so I've added this stat. – Liveste (talk • edits) 12:19, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

"Notability"

At the bottom of many pages, there are "notable players". Presummably this is more notable that the notability required to end up on Wikipedia in the first place so it is a matter of degree. Do we have/want any loose guidance on a definition? I propose (without too much thinking) these things might equal notability:

• Being in a place winning team more than once
• Breaking a record for anything
• The "other" category; being in a team for ages, getting a lot of press/sponsorship etc.

These criteria maybe exist somewhere else (and more well thought out than my ones). Any thoughts?

Matt (talk) 03:33, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Presumably, this would correlate to the "high notability" that we used (but did not define) for the "Assessing article importance" discussion.

Maybe I am being too pedantic

Matt (talk) 03:37, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Pedantic? Not at all. Defining "high-profile/notability" would be helpful, particularly when assessing biographies that may be "borderline high-profile". For mine, I think that a high profile requires significant coverage in reliable publications and widespread recognition over many years (say five years, to arbitrarily throw in a number), compared with other players. Significant coverage and recognition is usually the natural result of a player achieving many wins, breaking records or receiving honours. I wonder if we should come up with some examples of high-profile players, to which other players can be compared.

One other thing: how many articles have "Notable players" at the bottom of the page? The only one of relevance I can think of is Netball. I've always thought of the list on that article as being a bit too subjective, and I've actually been thinking about moving the list to a separate article. Thoughts? – Liveste (talk • edits) 12:19, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

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Collaboration?

I've noticed that some of the progress on netball articles has slipped off a bit since the bit of the ANZ Championship season, and was wondering if people would be interested in trying to kick things off again with something new. I was thinking maybe trying to get the national team articles up to speed (which are pretty dismal apart from Aus and NZ) or trying to expand the articles on some prominent players? Rebecca (talk) 07:41, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the late response. I'm all for kick-starting things again. I think to start off, we should finalise improvements to the Netball article before submitting a copy to the Wikipedia 0.7 team, which is due on 20 October (sounds like undergrad all over again :). I think we'd have a good chance of getting some of the more high-profile players and national teams to GA or even FA (e.g., Cynna Kydd), because there's probably more information out there about them. And as you suggested, the articles on other national teams are in desperate need of expansion as well, so we should probably work on them too. Cheers. – Liveste (talk • edits) 23:28, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

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The ANZ Championship starts in just over a month, so I've been trying to fix up some of our articles on the subject. Some ANZ Championship teams now have squad and season info from multiple seasons in the one article. I've been wondering if we shouldn't just make individual season articles for each team – e.g., 2009 Northern Mystics season. They do this with WNBA teams, e.g., 2008 Washington Mystics season, and I think there's enough information on ANZ Championship teams to include details on off-season player transfers, staff changes, season results and game stats. I also like the WNBA player roster templates (e.g., {{Washington Mystics roster}}) and think they could be usefully adapted to netball articles. What does everyone else think? Cheers. – Liveste (talk • edits) 08:26, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

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I wasn't aware that the red cross image had its own legally specified use. Barring a blanket ban on the use of injury icons on Wikipedia sports rosters, then a star-of-life icon would be suitable. It kinda resembles the asterisk currently used for pregnant players (using a red cross for pregnant players would have been a tad insensitive), and the star of life can probably be used in both cases. Cheers. – Liveste (talk • edits) 00:34, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I've replaced the red cross icons with stars of life. Let me know if there are further problems. Cheers again. – Liveste (talk • edits) 01:58, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

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Popular pages report

We – Community Tech – are happy to announce that the Popular pages bot is back up-and-running (after a one year hiatus)! You're receiving this message because your WikiProject or task force is signed up to receive the popular pages report. Every month, Community Tech bot will post at Wikipedia:WikiProject Netball/Popular pages with a list of the most-viewed pages over the previous month that are within the scope of WikiProject Netball.

We've made some enhancements to the original report. Here's what's new:

• The pageview data includes both desktop and mobile data.
• The report will include a link to the pageviews tool for each article, to dig deeper into any surprises or anomalies.
• The report will include the total pageviews for the entire project (including redirects).

We're grateful to Mr.Z-man for his original Mr.Z-bot, and we wish his bot a happy robot retirement. Just as before, we hope the popular pages reports will aid you in understanding the reach of WikiProject Netball, and what articles may be deserving of more attention. If you have any questions or concerns please contact us at m:User talk:Community Tech bot.

Warm regards, the Community Tech Team 17:16, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Discussion at NSPORTS

Hello all. In an effort to finally resolve the never-ending and annoying GNG v SSG issue, I've proposed a revision of the NSPORTS introduction. You are all invited to take part in the discussion. Thank you. Jack | ^{talk page} 06:20, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject collaboration notice from the Portals WikiProject

The reason I am contacting you is because there are one or more portals that fall under this subject, and the Portals WikiProject is currently undertaking a major drive to automate portals that may affect them.

Portals are being redesigned.

The new design features are being applied to existing portals.

At present, we are gearing up for a maintenance pass of portals in which the introduction section will be upgraded to no longer need a subpage. In place of static copied and pasted excerpts will be self-updating excerpts displayed through selective transclusion, using the template {{Transclude lead excerpt}}.

The discussion about this can be found here.

Maintainers of specific portals are encouraged to sign up as project members here, noting the portals they maintain, so that those portals are skipped by the maintenance pass. Currently, we are interested in upgrading neglected and abandoned portals. There will be opportunity for maintained portals to opt-in later, or the portal maintainers can handle upgrading (the portals they maintain) personally at any time.

Background

On April 8th, 2018, an RfC ("Request for comment") proposal was made to eliminate all portals and the portal namespace. On April 17th, the Portals WikiProject was rebooted to handle the revitalization of the portal system. On May 12th, the RfC was closed with the result to keep portals, by a margin of about 2 to 1 in favor of keeping portals.

There's an article in the current edition of the Signpost interviewing project members about the RfC and the Portals WikiProject.

Since the reboot, the Portals WikiProject has been busy building tools and components to upgrade portals.

So far, 84 editors have joined.

If you would like to keep abreast of what is happening with portals, see the newsletter archive.

If you have any questions about what is happening with portals or the Portals WikiProject, please post them on the WikiProject's talk page.

Thank you.    — The Transhumanist   11:00, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Netball at the 2019 Pacific Games

Is anyone interested in creating an article for Netball at the 2019 Pacific Games, based on the 2015 page? Any help appreciated! -- Ham105 (talk) 10:52, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

Main page: User:Headbomb/unreliable

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Netball

Netball has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:42, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

FAR for Cynna Kydd

I have nominated Cynna Kydd for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 (talk) 14:55, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Netball

Netball has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:41, 20 September 2023 (UTC)