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Category:Birds of (African countries)

Isee back in 2016 someone deleted Categories: Birds of...(African countries)but just for the African countries, nowhere else. Long term project is to try to restore them in some fashion....Pvmoutside (talk) 11:06, 17 July 2023

Unidentified taxidermied Falco

Unidentified taxidermied hawk at Stromness Museum, Orkney

Can we identify the bird in c:Category:Unidentified taxidermied Falco, Stromness Museum? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:20, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: would help to have measurements of culmen, wing, tail and tarsus ... Shyamal (talk) 14:46, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

I have to contact the museum about something else shortly; I'll take the opportunity to ask. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:54, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

It looks pretty small, perhaps a juvenile of something like red-footed falcon or kestrel? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:07, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Adding to Shyamal's information request, I am interested in clear photographs of the breast plumage and tail feathers (dorsal and ventral). Collection locality would be helpful if available. If collected in North America, this appears much like a Falco mexicanus for the light superorbital and undereye giving a light-framed eye appearance. There appears to be dense dark patterning on the flanks which is not clearly visible, but may also support F. mexicanus. If non-American in locality, perhaps consider Hierofalcons such as Falco cherrug. Roboraptor2 (talk) 23:14, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

IOC names vs ENwiki: User:Kweetal nl/IOC enwiki backlog

I produced 11,000+ wikipedia scientific-name-urls with the 11,000+ scientific names from IOC 14.1, and for each, on the page that wikipedia sent back, I checked the name and authority. The ones that differ are in this list. There are 23 left.

The results are here: IOC - enwiki backlog. There seems to be a small backlog; maybe this helps to get these updated. Feel free to update any fixes on that page.

(sometimes just the redirect is wrong/obsolete, I think.)

Hope this helps - Kweetal nl (talk) 08:13, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Hepatic tanager split

Wikipedia now has very stubby articles for Tooth-billed tanager and Red tanager that were split out from Hepatic tanager (Piranga hepatica). The Hepatic tanager article is kind of a mess now. The habitat section calls it "Brick red cardinal" and is sourced to a Cornell site that recognizes Piranga lutea in a broad sense as the hepatic tanager. The description section has an unsourced paragraph that calls it "Brick-red tangerine" (and the previous paragraph has a reference to a different Cornell site that refers to the species having a range from the United States to Argentina). I'm not sure which, if any, of the information in the hepatic tanager article actually pertains to the narrowly circumscribed species.

Then there are the redirects: Lowland Hepatic-tanager, Northern Hepatic-tanager, Highland Hepatic-tanager, Piranga haemalea, Blood-red Tanager and Blood-red tanager. Where should those go? Plantdrew (talk) 01:37, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

All of it seems to refer to hepatic s. s., All About Birds tends to focus on the North American side of things because that's what its audience is and the other sources are either range-neutral (the name) or talk about NA (the diet in Mexico). The description is unsourced, but it seems accurate enough for hepatic s. s. and I'm inclined to believe it refers to that. I'm not sure about those common names, but they seem to be for ssp/ssp clusters and should presumably be redirected to which ever sp got that particular ssp. AryKun (talk) 03:31, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Birds of the World (Cornell) doesn't recognise the three species but has three species groups, whose subspecies correspond to the IOC species.

• Hepatic Tanager (Northern) [hepatica Group] = IOC Hepatic tanager (P. hepatica) NA, MA : w USA to Nicaragua
• Hepatic Tanager (Highland) [lutea Group] = IOC Tooth-billed tanager (P. lutea) MA, SA : Costa Rica to Bolivia
• Hepatic Tanager (Lowland) [flava Group] = IOC Red Tanager (P. flava) SA : s Guyana through e Brazil to Argentina

That helps with the first three redirects. P. haemalea is part of the lutea group. The blood-red tanager redirects would seems to point to the red tanagerr, at least if the names are logical, but that isn't always strictly so. —  Jts1882 | talk  06:57, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Changed the the highland and lowland redirects to the proper targets in case anyone wants to know. AryKun (talk) 07:05, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

I've added a taxonomy section to all three species articles. While we follow the IOC in deciding which species get articles and the taxonbox classification, to avoid violating NPOV we are supposed to provide alternative views in the the text. So I added the Clements/eBird subspecies groups to the hepatic tanager article. I also added the IUCN two species treatment.

I've remove the mention of the "brick-red tangerine" and "brick red cardinal" as unsourced and confusing. As far as I can tell brick red is the colour of the male of the northern bird (hepatica group or P. hepatica), not a common name. I renamed the second Habitat section as Feeding. I'm really not sure what to do with those sections as my knowledge is limited. Perhaps someone with access to the BOW site an add something. —  Jts1882 | talk  14:08, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

rufous-capped antthrush (Formicarius colma): phylum Chordata

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rufous-capped_antthrush currently says

The exact phylogeny of the rufous-capped antthrush is poorly understood, however, an estimated phylogeny was constructed in 1983 by Sibley and Ahlquist by comparing sixteen tracer-species through DNA-DNA hybridization. These results elude that they are Passeriformes coming from the phylum Chordata.

Can somebody please take a look at that? It can hardly be necessary to mention that these birds are members of Chordata, not can it have been necessary to use DNA-DNA hybridization to establish that fact.

- 189.122.84.88 (talk) 06:27, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Removed the sentence, not particularly necessary to mention Passeriformes either since the position of Formicariidae within Passeriformes isn't to my knowledge particularly controversial. AryKun (talk) 07:03, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

The 1983 study by Sibley and Ahlquist is now very out of date: the phylogeny is known with some confidence. The rufous-capped antthrush was sampled in a large UCE based study of the suboscines by Michael Harvey and collaborators that was published in 2020. A cladogram showing the rufous-capped antthrush is included in the article on the antthrush family Formicariidae. - Aa77zz (talk) 09:06, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

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