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Template:Infobox VFL season

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Infobox Australian rules football season Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:31, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox VFL season (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Apparent fork of/ redundant to {{Infobox VFL Premiership Season}}. Undocumented. Only seven transclusions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:25, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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  • A merge here would be trivial. There's no reason to have separate infoboxes when so much of the content overlaps. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:33, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Jenks24 Your comment does not put forward any argument as to why two infoboxes are needed, nor to support your claim that they are "definitely not interchangeable", nor why one will not suffice. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:15, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per my comments on the TFD on {{Infobox WAFL season}}. If you can explain exactly how the different field names and labels will be maintained without the end user needing to enter (in this case) things like Awardlabel=J.J. Liston Medal as well as the things that actually change from year to year, then I'm happy to have a single generic infobox, but these are all different leagues with different awards, so I'm interested to see how you can make an easy to use generic infobox. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The-Pope (talk • contribs)
    • We have many, many infoboxes with optional paramters, so that no-one needs to do as you suggest. As Chris says above, "a merge here would be trivial". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:50, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • ok now we are finally starting to understand what the tfd regulars mean - next time it may be better to clearly state in your opening nomination how you intend to maintain the functionality of the forked/redundant template in the "master" template. I am concerned that a heap of optional parameters would lead to a more complicated template but I guess more flexible-we can just keep adding more opt fields as required to suit any league or name change. Documentation is of course essential and the lack of doc on these hasn't helped anyone. Again I suggest that if the single generic box is the desired/only acceptable outcome to TFD regulars then it cannot be called AFL as that will cause confusion as to true fans that is the name of one league not the generic name of the sport. The-Pope (talk) 01:11, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • merge to {{Infobox Australian rules football season}} not any league specific title. The-Pope (talk) 01:11, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • General comment (applies to the WAFL infobox as well). I know you guys haven't done this intentionally, but you probably could have been clearer at the outset (the way you presented it, Andy, it looked like you thought a simple redirect would be fine and not break anything). If, as you guys say, it is best to merge, then we shouldn't just merge to the VFL Premiership Season template, but we should merge all Aussie rules season infoboxes (this one, {{Infobox VFL Premiership Season}}, {{Infobox WAFL season}} and {{Infobox AFL season}}) to a generic Aussie rules template like The-Pope suggests. It would be weird (and probably detrimental) to merge one or two templates, but not all of them. Before I agree that a merge is the best option, though, I really would like to see a mockup/sandbox of how this new infobox with all these optional parameters would look. To be honest, I'm not convinced that it will be easier to use and maintain. And considering that this time last year WP:AFL was assured that our player infoboxes would be easy to merge, and they are still sitting in WP:TFD/H, I'm not convinced that a merge will be as easy as you suggest. Jenks24 (talk) 08:28, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:College Republicans

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The result of the discussion was keep, now that more links have been added. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:55, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:College Republicans (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

A template with a single listing does not seem to be an appropriate usage of a template. This functionality can be accomplished by simply using categories. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 22:23, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

KEEPI created the template and lo and behold ConcernedVancouverite nominates it for deletion (he stalks every article I edit or create; I don't know if I should be flattered or offended). I have added and will continue to add appropriate links. There are over 5 links, the basic threshold for templates, and will have more as time progresses. I encourage ConcernedVancouverite to not nominate templates and articles for deletion the moment they are created. It inconveniences the creator and editors and makes them take the time to explain themselves, even when they have taken the time to improve that which they created.Theseus1776 (talk) 16:41, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Football player list player

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:16, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Football player list player (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Football player list start (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Football player list end (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

old, unused, unnecessary. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 20:39, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox Youth Olympics

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The result of the discussion was redirect Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:18, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Youth Olympics (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

template has been merged with {{infobox games}} awhile ago, and is completely orphaned. attempts to redirect it to the generic template have been resisted, so taking it here for discussion. Frietjes (talk) 18:39, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:UCC

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The result of the discussion was delete or userfy upon request. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:21, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:UCC (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:UGC (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

More single-purpose meta-template boilerplate used only on a single page. Rather than making it easier to create pages, the massive layers of overengineering here simply make it impossible to edit the output or comprehend the code. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 15:03, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete under G7. — ξxplicit 00:53, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Glinks (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Oip (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

More massively-overengineered portal box meta-templates. All they is aggregate another layer of overworked meta-templates (which I'm gradually peeling back). Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:52, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Obox

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete under G7. — ξxplicit 00:51, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Obox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Ibox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Yet another couple of portal meta-templates which were never deployed or discussed. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:44, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Pbox

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:23, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Pbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to {{portal}}. The additional border colour option is entirely unnecessary, and this should not have been forked off lightly nor deployed to 400 articles without discussion. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:42, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:RIL

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:30, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:RIL (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:RIX (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:ROL (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:RWP (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Cwpm (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:TFbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Tlinks (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Yet more incestuously-interlinked Wikiproject / userbox metatemplates which were never deployed. The right time to create metatemplates is when they are required, rather than creating dozens of them in advance and then mass-deploying them to get fait accompli acceptance. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:37, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Satop

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The result of the discussion was delete after replacement with {{Sar}}, {{Portal}}, and {{Wikipedia books}}. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:29, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Satop (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Osatop (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Part of a series of templates by the same author which together are almost entirely redundant to {{portal}} (which supports the same syntax and essentially the same styling) and whose additional features are occasionally undesirable (for instance, Commons links do not belong in the See Also section, and headings should not be created by templates as this makes it difficult to edit sections). If truly necessary, it shouldn't be difficult to add support for linking to "books" from {{portal}}, but that shouldn't be a dealbreaker in a redirect which would consolidate these very similar templates. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:32, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Commons feature has been deleted from Template:Satop, and Template:Osatop is ready for deletion.  Buaidh  17:08, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you'll be putting in all three (including the book linking functionality), then I'll change my vote to abstain - I really don't care one way or the other as long as something's there to have the functionality. Allens (talk | contribs) 12:00, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - another instance of template overkill. These things have to be rationalized.

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Template:Jews of India

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as T3 by Thumperward (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 15:09, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Jews of India (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This article is similar to History of the Jews in India. This can be deleted as detailed article is already present Madhuric (talk) 12:58, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is a malformed AfD. I have reported it correctly at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jews of India. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 13:15, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:BaseballIcon

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:28, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:BaseballIcon (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Superfluous use of icons, per MOS:ICONDECORATION. We need not include tiny and barely-perceptible emblems next to the names of teams on maps, which appears to be this template's reason for existence. Teams should simply be named or linked in-place without the use of a formatting wrapper. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:28, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Inwrap

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:27, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Inwrap (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused utility template which implements wrapping in a rather hackish and inelegant manner. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:25, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • delete, we don't need it. Frietjes (talk) 22:47, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep & explain (from author). This template is for advanced typesetting using the typical "undent" style of paragraph formatting, such as to indent-wrap long titles in infoboxes. An example of operation: "{{inwrap|sp=11px|These words|are|triple-spaced|and|wrap|with|leading |spaces|before |the|words |to|indicate |continuation|of|the|phrase|by |indented|text}}". The auto-indenting is to help sight-impaired users, per wp:ACCESS, with browser TextSize set to larger font-size, which causes more text lines to wrap. However, the implementation, while functioning on all browsers for flat text, fails to wrap some text inside tables when being displayed by the older MSIE-7 family of browsers. The template documentation, which I have recently expanded, needs a better explanation for how the template can be used in infoboxes, to indent-wrap long phrases beside each label in an infobox. -Wikid77 (talk) 12:57, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Inserting invisible inline images into a paragraph certainly does not improve accessibility. It does the exact opposite. This is well-meaning but a fundamentally bad idea. More elegant, purely CSS-based solutions already exist and are more broadly deployed than this method. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 08:26, 30 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Tablestyles

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:16, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Tablestyles (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused tutorial content wrapper. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:21, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Basdiv

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:17, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Basdiv (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused utility template; there are plenty of existing specialised templates to handle what this general solution is intended for. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:20, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:WP Mathmatics

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:17, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WP Mathmatics (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Some (broken) references, which are transcluded on the talk page of a PRODded article. Even if the article was not prodded, these are still not needed. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:05, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox WAFL season

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Infobox Australian rules football season. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:26, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox WAFL season (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to other, more generic, football/ sport season infobox(es). Only two transclusions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:37, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox uprising

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The result of the discussion was delete after replacement Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:25, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox uprising (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to {{Infobox civil conflict}}; only 29 transclusions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:34, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - redundant.  Liam987 15:16, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox Taekwondo event

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The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:24, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Taekwondo event (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to {{Infobox sport event}}, to which the generic "champions (men and women)" fields should be added; only 28 transclusions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:39, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox winter

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:01, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox winter (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to {{Infobox winter storm}}; only four transclusions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:43, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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