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William, why did you delete my addition to the Albanian Language page? I brought all information about the author, the book, and the wiki page related. I am Albanian origin and I know better than you about Albanian language. Are you payed to confuse the public? What do you actually mean "it looks like a spam"? --BenWeb13 (talk) 14:56, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

How can I contribute to Wikipedia, without getting anything deleted? Historian5920 (talk) 03:23, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

@Historian5920: Hello, the best way to start is to read all of those links that Eman235 included on your talk page in their "welcome" message. They will get you familiarized with Wikipedia guidelines. Your edits are being reverted because they are either bad English (incomplete sentences, irrelevant information, etc.), unsourced (all additions to Wikipedia must be supported by reliable third party sources), or not in accordance with Wikipedia's Manual of Style. Also, editing here is done by consensus (see Bold, Revert, Discuss), if you are reverted, don't reinstate the problematic edits. Instead, take it to the article's talk page and discuss the edits you wish to make with other editors until a consensus is achieved.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 03:34, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

hello...mr what is the problems about Ho people wikipedia why are you vandalising the HO TRIBE wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Biswajeet34 (talkcontribs) 10:29, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Answered on your talk page.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 10:45, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Wiki pageEdit

Is this article typed correctly? Historian5920 (talk) 05:07, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Khmer languageEdit

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Khmer language you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. Time2wait.svg This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Maunus -- Maunus (talk) 00:40, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I have reviewed the article, and it requires some work to pass, so I have put it on hold. Please let me know if you plan to address my concerns so we can set a time frame, or if you would rather let it fail so you can work on it without a deadline.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 01:43, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
@Maunus: First off, thank you for your time and effort in reviewing the article.
  1. Sourcing should not be an issue, I have access to plenty of sources and can address those concerns rather quickly.
  2. As for a grammar section, I completely agree with your assessment. I already have a broad outline of how to improve it in my head. It's hard to say for sure (because of my "real life" schedule), but getting it implemented with sources and examples and adequately c/e'd would probably take me anywhere from a few days to a week.
  3. You mentioned the phonology section might be overly detailed. Was that just an observation or do you recommend it be pared down?
  4. When the work is done, I'll take a look at the lead.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 03:00, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Ok, sounds excellent. Overall I really like the article, and I think GA is within reach, so I am happy you want to make the effort. I dont generally do deadlines, I think a GA takes the time it takes, but often the other reviewers get anxious after about a month. So if you can fix it within the next month that will be great. Also I am happy to participate with advice or sources during the review, and if we disagree on anything specific I dont consider my preferences to overrule yours just because I am the reviewer - so let me know if you object to any of my concerns. You might want to look at the grammar section of English, also a fairly analytical language, to see how we tackled the grammar section there to include syntax on equal footing with morphology. I dont think it is a requirement to cut the phonology section, but it might be the easiest way to get rid of all of the citation needed tags - and the uncited content can be split to another article. ·maunus · snunɐɯ· 03:14, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Your expansions look really good, and I like the inclusion of many sentence examples. I would advise however to find a better way of formatting the examples graphically setting apart the script, the phonemic representation and the translation (probably on different lines) - and I think you should add a morphological gloss for each example following the Leipzig glossing rules. This may mean that you will need to have fewer examples since each example will take up more space. You can take a look at how other language GA articles handle the examples.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 03:12, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

@Maunus: Thanks. I'm working on an overview of clause syntax right now that should be finished tonight, then I was hoping it would be ready for you to review again. Thanks, by the way, for recommending the Haiman book. I wasn't aware of that one but his data is exhaustive (and, at times exhausting, it took me a while to get through it), although, as he predicted in the forward, a few of his conclusions are iffy.

As you note, I am indeed struggling with formatting the examples. I'm not satisfied with the current method either; I experimented with tables but that resulted in way too many small tables. The language not being written in a Latin alphabet adds a degree of complexity to it. In addition to English language, I've been looking at the GAs Mongolian language and Biblical Hebrew (the latter has hardly any example sentences). The Mongolian article doesn't use the native script in giving examples. What is your opinion of including Khmer script with all of the examples? I'm partial to it, but then again, I can read it...I'm starting to wonder how much it really adds to the article for the average reader.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 03:53, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Sounds like a good plan. Note that sometimes after writing a detailed description that gets unwieldy it makes sense to spin it out into a dauhter article and then write a shorter summary for the main article - here I am not saying your version is getting unwieldy, just noting the option as you write and struggle with the balance of detail vs. summary style concision. As for the examples I think you are right in thinking the script may not be necessary - especially for the syntax examples. I think the script could be integrated well into examples of phonology and orthography, but are probably not necessary for making the reader understand syntax - here a gloss is probably more useful. You can also look at Greenlandic language to see some examples of how we did it there.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 05:00, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
That long complex sentence needs to be broken over several lines - when it is given on a sngle line it breaks the page layout (and my screen). Also on further thought I think the Khmer script does need to be removed from the examples that describe the grammar - they really do not serve a purpose here.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 17:44, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
I see that now. I thought it might, but I checked it in two OS/browser combos that I commonly use and it looked good. I just tried it on windows smaller than full screen resolution and it does indeed break things. I had planned on removing the Khmer script and restructuring the formatting last night as discussed above, but I wasn't feeling well so I turned in early. I should be able to get to everything tonight (although I must admit, right now the only way I can think of to "fix" that one long sentence will probably work but won't look very elegant in the editing window). Thanks again for your patience and time. It is very much appreciated.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 23:56, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Congratulations, I just passed the artic. Really impressive work. One thing, I forgot to mention is that on my screen the Khmer script is showing up so small that I can't actually distinguish the signs at all. Is there a way to avoid this happening do you think?·maunus · snunɐɯ· 05:35, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for reviewing it and for the compliment! The tiny Khmer script is a Windows issue. Windows has included native support for Khmer (since Windows 7, I believe) but their default font doesn't handle it very well and makes it appear so minuscule as to be unreadable without zooming in. Apparently it isn't a priority for them since Windows 10 still has the same problem. The only way to avoid it is on the user's end by downloading and installing any of the freely-available third-party unicode Khmer fonts and setting one of those to default. Thanks also for the recommendations for future improvement. I considered reworking the references last night but figured it wasn't necessary for GA; it is on my list of things to do though.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 06:02, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

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Inaccurate informationEdit

Princess Soma's father married her mother in Cambodia and not in California. She is the oldest siblings Camboodianhistory (talk) 07:47, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

@Camboodianhistory: I was just preparing to discuss this with you on your user talk page, but we can do it here. There are a couple issues that have led me to revert your edits. First and foremost, all edits to Wikipedia must be verifiable by reliable sources, this is especially true when dealing with articles about living persons. The current information is taken from available sources. If you have sources which meet Wikipedia's guidelines for reliable sources that can verify your assertions, please make the appropriate changes and provide the citation to the source(s).
Also, the same edits you attempted to make were also tried earlier today by the account User:Somanorodom and also by an unregistered IP. If these were you, please see WP:SOCK and WP:IMPERSONATE for the relevant Wikipedia policies and only edit from one account in the future. If, as the first user name implies, you are the Princess or somebody closely related to her, Wikipedia policies (Wikipedia:Autobiography and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest) strongly discourages users from writing about themselves. However, if this is the case and if you would like changes considered, you can provide neutral, reliable sources on the talk page of the article and another editor will make edits/corrections as warranted.
FWIW, when writing this article, I thought the source might be mistaken, due to the dates and events of the era making it unlikely the marriage would have been in California, but I couldn't find any other source stating where the marriage may taken place. However, Wikipedia is built on verifiability, not truth.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 08:22, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on ThailandEdit

Hey There,

The page on Thailand is locked (yes, I know, to prevent vandalism), but I would like to correct a punctuation error. Perhaps someone can do that for me instead. The error is terribly simple, but easily missed when read: the second paragraph needs a period at the end after the closed parentheses. Unless, however, the author would like the time period in parentheses to be independant of the previous sentence then place a period at the end of that sentence, plus a period at the end of the sentence within the parentheses.

Thanks very much!

Rockviolet99 (talk) 03:31, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
I took the liberties of moving your request to the bottom of the page to keep in chronological order as well as making an appropriate sub-heading.
Done. Thanks for bringing that up. In the future, you can request edits of any semi-protected page by using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template on the talk page of the article.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 04:16, 27 January 2016 (UTC)


You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at Kudpung's talk page. 13:44, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for supporting my RfAEdit

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Brian Martin articleEdit

I saw your post on User:Goolwong's page re WP:Judith Wilyman PhD controversy[1] I have just put Judith Wilyman's professor WP:Brian Martin[2] 's page onto BLPN. [3]

However I have no faith in WP proceedures. Having been burnt. Could you please have a quick look at Martin's page in a week's time and check that things are going OK. A very quick scan suggests that Woolgong may be serially misrepresenting the content of sources and creating an inaccurate negative representation of Martin.

I AGF however an article by Martin "Mobbing of a PhD student: lessons and responsibilities" [4] prompts vigilance.

It's been almost 10 years since I last edited and hope that it will be at least another 10 before I do so again. Good luck and edit safely. (talk) 18:07, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Khmer languageEdit

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DYK for Middle KhmerEdit

Coffee // have a cup // beans // 00:02, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

PR @ Norodom SihanoukEdit

Hi William, I saw that your Khmer language article has been promoted - congratulations!

I'm in the midst of copyediting through Sihanouk's article, as I hope to promote it to FA status sometime in the middle part of this year. (Pardon me, progress is a bit slow as of now.) As I saw that you have contributed to this article in the past, I thought it would be good to invite you to take a look at the article. I have put up a Peer Review, and you are welcome to suggest or give your opinion to any parts of the article which you see that it might need improvement, if you like or see fit. You're coordially welcome to the PR, though please don't feel obliged or pressured if you are unable to do so. Cheers! Mr Tan (talk) 16:06, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

@Mr Tan: Thanks! I noticed Norodom Ranariddh is now a FA. Nice job! I'll take a look at Sihanouk's article when I get a chance. I'd like to get Khmer language to FA as well, but it still needs some work before it'll even be close to ready. I've also started going through Cambodia line-by-line for copy editing and updating references (it's slow going though; I haven't had much time lately). I'd like to see Cambodia make it to at least a GA this year. Keep up the good work!--William Thweatt TalkContribs 23:11, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
No problem - I've been quite busy lately, so I won't be too active in trying to chaperone other editors for suggestions. Anyway, it's very hard to predict when I would be able to log on to Wikipedia - so any activities that requires a continuous period of engagement with other editors would not be ideal for now :) Mr Tan (talk) 10:33, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Khmer languageEdit

Coffee // have a cup // beans // 00:02, 1 March 2016 (UTC)


Hiya! Hope you don't mind I collapsed the discussion to not derail the thread any further. Feel free to revert if you disagree. The Quixotic Potato (talk) 04:52, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Ramblin' Wreck from BottombangEdit

Hi there. I just saw your post on JCW Beckham's talk page from forever ago. Are you related to the fellow with the same name on the 1917 Georgia Tech football team? All I know of Cambodia, aside from "Angkor Wat is a thing"; I have been told they have some neat flute music. Cake (talk) 14:13, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Hindi language speakersEdit

I know the article Hindi is on Modern standard Hindi. But for your kind information, I want to say that Census of India groups all mother tongue languages of Hindi under Hindi language as clearly indicated by my source from official site. All these languages are officially and informally written in script of your "modern standard Hindi" be it Awadhi, Bhojpuri, Marwari and what not. The Indian Census count these dialect speakers as Hindi speakers. Please explain it. Vibhss (talk) 17:33, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

@Vibhss: That information is handled by the articles Hindi Belt, Hindi languages and Hindustani language. We also have Hindi (disambiguation) for the different usages of the term "Hindi".

khmer originEdit

I think friends the khmer people are originated from kambojas Ipradyuman (talk) 12:23, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Thinking it does not make it so. No reliable source makes this claim. In fact, quite the opposite, numerous DNA studies have shown that Mon-Khmer populations (including the Khmer) are genetically distinct from Indo-Iranians.[1][2] The ancient name of Cambodia, "Kambuja", comes from two Pali/Sanskrit words Kambu ("gold") and ja ("born of" or "giving birth to"), giving a loosely translated "place birthed in gold" or "land born of gold". The name was a reference to the term Suvarnabhumi ("Land of Gold") used by ancient India to refer to various lands of Southeast Asia. They are completely unrelated to the Indo-Iranian Kambojas at the other end of the continent 5000+ miles away.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 22:32, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

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Kuy teav/Hu TieuEdit

William--I think that the Kuy teav article is being wrongly conflated with hu tieu. What do you think? In a nutshell, I think that this article should only focus on the Cambodian term only, that is kuy teav and what it refers to in Cambodian cuisine--all of its variations in Cambodia. Doing a search for hu tieu will lead you to the kuy teav article. I also noticed that one user added the Thai name for it in the opening sentence which is another conflation. Kuy teav in Cambodia is more of a general term for noodle dishes with rice noodles. Now compare that to hu tieu which is a stricter classification in Vietnamese cuisine. --Dara (talk) 03:13, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

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Hi William. The idea that "Chaktomukh" means "four faces" first arose in the 19th century with the French, but rivers never have faces either in French or Khmer - in a situation like this,m in both languages it would be normal to speak of "four arms."

The actual derivation is from the Foiur-Face Buddha, which was a major iconographic inovation of the post-Angkorean period. This is represented either as four Buddha images arranged around the four sides of a pillar (actually a stupa), as at Lovek and at Wat Phnom, or simply as four faces, as seen on the spire above the throne hall of the Royal Palace in PP. The images/faces are those of the Four Buddhas (the Buddhas of the past 3 ages plus the present one); also closely associated, as a separate image, is the Future Buddha. This is what we see at Wat Phnom. The image has a royal connotation: the king piously hopes that he shall see the coming of the Fifth Buddha.

I wish I could find the books to illustrate this, but they're all packed away. You might like, though, to contact Ashley Thompson, who did a lot of work on it, or perhaps Vittorio Roveda, whose blog is here: https://plus.google.com/104456227087511996860 PiCo (talk) 03:05, 27 December 2016 (UTC)


I noticed this summary[3]. The subject of "genetics" is both shady and moreover irrelevant since it can never be certified that it applies to every single person identifying as "Azerbaijani". When also you consider that Azeris are native to eastern Turkey and the question of whether one is Turkish or Azeri is only down to identification in the first place (meaning one sibling may declare Turkish, the other Azeri), such an argument can only imply that Turks must also be related to Iranian peoples. What people need to realise is that in order to be Turkic speaking, it is impossible not have some Turkic ancestry, otherwise the individual would have found himself as one of the other nations among whom Azeris live (i.e. proper Iranian, as most Azeris live in Iran). With this, one needs to realise that to whom an individual is related/descended is not the same as to whom a nation is related, because it is universally accepted that people assimilate, people intermarry, and ethnicity is fluid. Nobody disagrees that many Iranic people became assimilated by Turkic people, but this is history. They gave up their identify to mix with other nationals and now they can only claim descent in the ancestors of those nationals - no different to Turks who forced Turkish identity upon local Kurds (i.e. Iranic people) meaning that many outwardly "Turkish" people have Kurdish/Iranic roots. I don't know if you were alluding to "culture" being closer to Iranian than Turkish, but if so, I'll just say quickly that culture is not a property of origin, and that it is subject to continuum and history, and as such, the Azeris of Turkey and those nearest the Turkish border are very different culturally to those deep into Iran, but all are similar to their neighbouring ethnic groups. I went into more detail on the talk page (but this was some weeks back). --OJ (talk) 17:14, 2 April 2017 (UTC)


Thanks for your recent edit on Hillary Clinton. I provided some rationale for your/our version on the talk page, in case someone sees fit to revert you.

Oh, and not that it's germane to anything, but I notice that you and I both starting editing Wikipedia in the very same month! (September, 2005). Cheers! Unschool 18:10, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

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Ho people disputeEdit

Regarding Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Biswajeet34 reported by User:WilliamThweatt (Result: Protected), if you believe that you have a set of grammar and punctuation fixes ready to go, why not use the {{Edit fully protected}} process to make a request on the article talk page. I'm actually the second admin to comment. User:GB fan had noted that both parties were warring and only the other guy had used the talk page. Though you have the advantage over the other party in experience, we admins have to go through the usual steps regardless. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 21:00, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: Thanks for the reply. As I noted at AN/EW, I had tried communicating on the user's talk page where I knew he would see it but I didn't get an answer. I have since posted on the article talk page as well, but again, no answer. I have been gathering and reading sources for near a month in order to overhaul this article. FPER seems a rather annoyingly tedious way to go about it. Frustrating & discouraging. But if that's what it takes, I guess I have no choice now since I would really like to see the article improved. In any case, thanks for volunteering your time to tend to matters such as these, it is appreciated even if we may not completely agree in this case.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 05:53, 11 October 2017 (UTC)


Could you revert your copyvio warning as I'd already made one. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 07:59, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Done. Two minutes apart. I swear yours wasn't there when I added mine.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 08:16, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
I can believe that. I'm sure it's happened to me. Did he reinstate the citation needed stuff from the article or copy it from elsewhere? Doug Weller talk 12:19, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
Biswajeet34 is now defending his case at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#EdJohnston warn me to block me. EdJohnston (talk) 18:28, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. It appears to be a moot point now.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 05:36, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

A concernEdit

Hi William. I noticed a disruptive and questionable user on some pages you seem to be interested[4][5][6][7][8] possibly related to this user. Their edits and Cyrillic username reminded me some sockmasters, LouisAragon knows better. (talk) 06:26, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

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Hi- so I don't disagree that eventually lan xang fell to the Burmese - the issue I have is that firstly the discussion is about "social classes" according to the heading so what purpose is there to mentioning that history there? Secondly the entire paragraph as written is flawed. It talks about the sixteenth century implying Lanna fell, the lan xang then ayutthaya, which isn't accurate. That editor consistently presents pro-thai bias (for instance claiming khon has no Khmer connection). Lanna/Chiangmai fell to the Burmese, then ayutthaya. Lan xang didn't fall till after the death of Setthathirath. As written the article denies a key moment in Lao history where it was the only Tai kingdom left standing against the Burmese. The article goes on to talk about Narusan so clearly the chronology needs work. StampyElephant (talk) 21:12, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

@StampyElephant: I agree with most of what you're saying:
  • The paragraph is poorly written and the chronology seemed off to me as well. However, I do understand the intended point of that sentence which was that Burma had sufficiently neutered Lanna and Lan Xang so that they were unable to provide aid to prevent Ayutthaya from falling. Also, during the last half of the 16th century, Lan Xang was only "independent" de jure because it's royal family hadn't yet been captured. De facto they were at the mercy of the Burmese. Viantiane was completely evacuated more than once and the Lao were reduced to fighting a guerrilla war. Even when Burma retreated back to Chiangmai, Lan Xang was a crippled state, with no trade or economic possibilities. This is was likely forced the failed excursion against the Khmer -- a desperate need for a seaport as source of income. Once Ayuttaya was secured, Lan Xang was comparatively easy pickings for Burma.
  • I hadn't been following that editor's edits too closely, but having just briefly reviewed his contribution history, I see many (most?) of his edits are problematic at best. There is indeed a lot of albeit subtle pro-Thai POV that non-specialists may not notice. There is also a lot of duplicating content of other articles which is redundant and his copy-and-pasting without attribution violates WP:COPYWITHIN. I'm fairly busy with other things, so I don't know how much I can do about it, but I will do what I can. It would be helpful if other editors who work on these articles could help out too.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 22:16, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

@WilliamThweatt I think we are on the same page with the editor. Again, I also don't deny that Lan Xang fell to the Burmese in the 1570s after Setthathirath's death. However, it wasn't easy...the Bayinnaung and Binya Dala pages are based on Burmese chronicles, and make that clear (terrain and malaria helped) however there was also a good deal of military strategy on the Lao side (well documented on those pages by other editors). The point is that Lan Xang was able to resist several Burmese attempts to invade...it was not the case that Ayutthaya was the only source of power in the region at the time. Especially since trade with Vietnam via Phuan regions was always possible. Easy pickings is too strong for the time period (eighteenth century- sure). Given the complexity of the issue- that editor was just making a misleading statement to imply a false inevitability wrapped up in nationalism StampyElephant (talk) 01:17, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Ivar The BonefulEdit

He's STILL going. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Racism_in_the_United_States&action=history

By this point, he's reverted at least 10 times, in the face of at least 3 editors who disagree with him. He's also called us "racist" repeatedly and accused me of sockpuppeting.2601:84:4502:61EA:65A6:1187:CF1C:195C (talk) 18:47, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

If you'd log in using your regular account, stop edit-warring, and stop making personal attacks,[9] there wouldn't be any problem. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 21:21, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
I placed a warning only on Ivar's talk page not because I am taking sides, but because that account was the only one who had gone (way) over 3RR and I didn't see anywhere where he had been given prior notice of the consequences should he continue. The fact is, though, that all sides are edit-warring, not AGF, and not being CIVIL. There was zero attempt at discussion on the talk page by any party. I didn't have time last night or I would have requested full protection of the page, but now I see it has already been protected. I hope you all can work it out on the talk page. Good luck.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 21:40, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

please add full refsEdit

the publ date is way more important than the accessdate you added here.--Wuerzele (talk) 20:25, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing that. I am usually meticulous about refs when I have the time to do so. That one slipped by me. I have added the date of the article.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 21:38, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

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b's and p'sEdit

I was reading your reply to that Reference Desk OP's question, and I thought this might be why I also kept misidentifying the Spanish p's. I was exposed to Mandarin since birth and American English since elementary school. When I learned pinyin in Chinese school, I never had trouble distinguishing the b's and p's. b sounded like b; p sounded like p. Later, I learned that people with no previous exposure to Mandarin had trouble with distinguishing the Mandarin b's and p's, along with other phonemes (zh, ch, sh, r, z, c, s, j, x, q), simply because the Mandarin b is an "unaspirated p", and English speakers with no previous exposure to Mandarin identify that as p. Spanish speakers already have an "unaspirated p" in their language. I wonder if Spanish speakers would identify the "unaspirated p" (putting it in quotes because it clearly sounds like a b to me) in Mandarin Chinese as a p (because they associate with the letter p in their language orthography). I don't get how monolingual English speakers can't distinguish the b and p sounds in Mandarin Chinese, but they can identify the p sounds as b sounds in Spanish. That makes no sense. SSS (talk) 17:15, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

@SuperSuperSmarty: It has to do with which sounds contrast in a particular language. It is hinted at in the Standard Chinese phonology#Consonants section. In English the primary contrast is voicing while in Mandarin it is aspiration. In other words, in English the contrast is between the voiced phoneme /b/ and the voiceless /p/; but /p/ has two distinct allophones, aspirated [pʰ] as in "pat" and unaspirated [p] as in "spat". A native monolingual English speaker hears and recognizes [p] and [pʰ] as the same sound because they are both voiceless and never contrast with each other in English, only with the voiced counterpart /b/. On the other hand, in Mandarin, the contrast is between aspirated /pʰ/ and unaspirated /p/ and it is the /p/ that has two distinct allophones, [p] (normally) and [b] (in weak syllables as explained here). So a native monolingual Mandarin speaker tends to hear and recognize [p] and [b] as the same sound because they are both unaspirated and never contrast with each other in Mandarin, only with the aspirated /pʰ/. In this regard, Spanish is the same as English in that the primary distinction in this group of sounds is one of voicing, which explains why making the distinction in Spanish comes more naturally to a native English speaker.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 07:06, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

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Cambodian NamesEdit

Hi William,

I was just wondering why all those other names do not have sources. I am sure you are an expert on the Khmer language as to know the surname Khiev for instance means blue. I do not see any sources saying that Khiev is derived from Chinese 喬 (qiao). My apologies if it seems like my sources look like I am fabricating stories, but if you feel that way about that particular surname (Ros), why not treat all the other surnames the same way as well? Shouldn't they have reliable sources to back up their claims on which language their names came from?

Anyways, you will probably not respond back based on the other questions posed to you that been left blank. I just wanted to make sure that you're not editing these pages for the sake of your own personal agenda. Please try to keep an open mind and not be a hypocrite when making these edits. Thank you.

-NewEditor, 5/10/2018 9:25 pm (UTC)

Wow. Mr. New Editor, I suggest you first take a look at some important Wikipedia policies such as WP:CIVIL, WP:No personal attacks and WP:AGF. Your comments should be regarding the content of the encyclopedia not attacking other editors. None of what you just wrote above are reasons to include the unsourced information you were trying to add.
Wikipedia requires that article content is verified and backed up by reliable sources and prohibits original research. And yes, there are some uncited facts in this article and in hundreds of thousands of others, but the fact that somebody else managed break the rules (it happens all the time) is not a reason for you to also break the rules (see whataboutism); it just means that nobody has gotten around to deleting it or finding appropriate sources yet. We're all volunteers here after all. Somebody will get to it in due time. If you are indeed here to help build an encyclopedia, your time would be better spent finding sources and improving articles instead of complaining that your unsourced speculation was deleted.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 00:30, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

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My questions & clarification to you!Edit

Your remark is really unacceptable! I quoted from yr comment: [(e.g. "mighty Khmer kingdom..." Chenla was neither mighty nor a kingdom and possibly not even Khmer, stick to known facts)]

1.How do u know Chenla was neither mighty nor a Kingdom? Where does yr argument base on? Source? > Chenla was a Kingdom recorded in Chinese document. This Kingdom located in the upper Mekong Valley, North of Funan. > This Kingdom was mighty, that's why it can subjugate Funan which regarded by historian as the earliest powerful Kingdom in Southeast Asia! > Chenla was mighty as proofed in a inscription dated to 633 AD during the reign of King Isanavarman of Chenla "The great King Isanavarman is full of glory and bravery. He is the King of Kings, who rules over Suvarnabhumi until the sea, which is the border, while the kings in the neighbouring states honour his order to their heads”

2."Chenla...was possibly not even Khmer. Stick to known facts." What is yr bas or historical references to DENY that Chenla was possibly NOT even Khmer? > Chenla is generally accepted by most scholars as Khmer/ Kambuja (Cambodia)! > In Zhuo Daquan's record "The Customs of Zhenla/Chenla", Zhuo mentioned that the people of Zhenla called their country as Kampuchi (equivalent to Kampuchea/ Cambodia). > Inscription K.600 dated 611 AD is the earliest Khmer inscription to be found and inscribed during Chenla Kingdom. 3. If Chenla is NOT Khmer, what was it belong to? Indian? Thai? 4. These are known facts! Should I stick to known facts or you should yrself? 5. I am suspicious about where you come from! Only Thai people deny Khmer historical connection to Funan, Chenla, and even Angkor (Khmer Empire) 6. By the way, u removed my writing without notify me or even give me time to revise my text before being removed. Other authors did notified me and discussed what should be improved!

I need yr reply! Thanks Maine Ferrick (talk) 01:03, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

The basis for my statements is modern scholarship. The Wikipedia article is at Chenla and has quite a few sources cited. Please read that for background based on facts instead of nationalist legends and old ideas. The ideas you list above are outdated. The era of George Cœdès and his contemporaries 100 years ago was full of romantic supposition and guesses based on little to no evidence.
For your first point, modern scholarship doubts that Chenla was even a unified kingdom in the sense that we think of today. Chenla was a collection of polities with local rulers. We don't know what happened to Funan, but it's likely that it suffered decline, either from social, administrative or environmental reasons, and other local rulers or warlords filled the power vacuum. Those rulers apparently sent tribute and emissaries to China. All of the mentions of Chenla in Chinese records are based on a single weak source with no corroboration from other records to verify what they say. In fact, the name "Chenla" itself is a name made up by the Chinese. There is no native name for the region recorded in local records. In the period of approximately 600-800 AD the area was a nameless region of upheaval with turbulent successions, unable to establish a center of power -- far from "mighty". Modern scholarship now thinks of the Chenla period as a disorganized period of turmoil between the decline of the Funan period and the rise of the Angkor period.
For your second point, there are no records at all indicating the ethnic composition of the area during the Chenla period. The ancestors of the modern Khmer were definitely in the area, but so were the ancestors of the Phnong, the Somre, the Stieng, the Chrau and every other Mon-Khmer group indigenous to the area. Which group was more numerous 1400 years ago? We don't know. Which one of these groups had the most power? We also don't know. How did they relate to each other? We don't know. There are no records. Did each group control it's own territory, ruled by a warlord and constantly in conflict with their neighbors? That is the likely picture of the area under the current concept of the Chenla period.
For your third point, it is answered in one and two above. Chenla wasn't a unitary polity, it was a Chinese name for an entire region that likely had no name itself. It didn't "belong" to anybody, it was likely a loose collection of territories of various ethnic groups constantly in conflict with each other.
As for the name "Kampuchi/Kambhuja/Kampuchea", it is derived from Sanskrit and many different cultures and ethnic groups have called themselves some variant of that (see Kambojas). The name alone does not indicate the ethnic origins of the people.
For your fifth point, where I come from is irrelevant, but if you must know, I am American and have studied the history of Southeast Asia, specifically Cambodia, for many years. I speak, read and write Khmer and can read Pali as well as the Old Khmer inscriptions. I have deep personal connections to the Khmer culture and have no desire to marginalize Khmer history. On the other hand, I also think that the Khmer people (and all the people of mainland Southeast Asia) deserve to know the real facts of their history, based on the latest archaeology, research and modern scholarship, instead of the nationalist propaganda and outdated ideas that leaders have fed to the people.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 02:45, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

I feel I cannot engage more with yr arguments since u literally denied most of the historical data by some scholar like Coedes as u claimed base on modern scholarship or those of Coedes & others are outdated to discuss about Chenla.

However, in my point of view, Chenla is still Khmer as archaeological evidence proofed. By the way, during Chenla period, many inscriptions (Sanskrit & Khmer ) were made while some of them were written in Khmer language and I never heard the inscriptions of this period (of Chenla) were made in other language (of Phnong,Kui, or Samre) rather than Khmer, although having the same ancestral (Mon-Khmer). Moreover, the ethnical name for Kmer/ Khmer were mentioned in many inscriptions during Chenla period! If Khmer did not rule Chenla,how can there be inscriptions in Khmer recording about the offering of servants & else to the temples by the rulers! About the word Kambuja here,I just want to connect it with Kampuchea/Cambodia, although it is a Sanskrit name, but we cannot use this to deny the linkage with Khmer as most Indianized states in Southeast Asia used Sanskrit names or ancient Indian cities' name for their respective Kingdoms, polity, and cities such as Champa. Chenla has to belong to somebody (ethnic group) since Chenla could amass its political power in this region with it political centres based in many ancient cities such as Srethapura, Sambhupura, & finally Isannapura! About the argument about whether Chenla was unitary Kingdom or collection of politics with local rulers, how made it far from a simple sense! Most Kingdoms or states in the ancient time all having this characteristic, there were a central power ruling our various local rulers or warlords! Then the history of all states in human history need to change to as "collection of polities" rather an as an unitary state or Kingdom!

Anyway, I want to read your scholarly articles (if u have done some) as I want to see yr argument & archaeological evidence to proof that Chenla was not Khmer or was possibly not rule by Khmer! Thanks! Maine Ferrick (talk) 03:05, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

By the way, thank you for yr respectful & patient long relies! My early writing was quite aggressive, sorry! >< Maine Ferrick (talk) 03:12, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

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Khmer articleEdit

In a historical article it is better to link years. Kapeter77 (talk) 10:32, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

@Kapeter77: as WP is an encyclopedia, every Wikipedia article is historical. Nonetheless, did you read the link in my edit summary (WP:YEARLINK)? It specifically contradicts what you just wrote: dates "should not be linked unless the linked date or year has a significant connection to the subject of the linking article, beyond that of the date itself" (emphasis mine). Please revert yourself.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 19:17, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
William Thweatt In a historical context every year is important and this text is about history. Kapeter77 (talk) 20:23, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
I can see you don't seem to be understanding the "significant" connection "beyond that of the date itself" part. Nonetheless, it is a relatively small matter so I will not revert you again right now, but don't be surprised if another editor removes the links in the future because WP:YEARLINK clearly and unambiguously says those years should not be linked.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 22:42, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
William Thweatt Thanks, after you have reverted 100 articles, ok... anyway, in a historica-poltical topic years are significant but maybe you are right the problem is... you revereted without any notification although I didn't break any rules. Kapeter77 (talk) 22:12, 30 November 2019 (UTC)


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