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Can't create an accountEdit

Trying to create an account as requested. Every username I try is flagged as being used, try a new one. Can't move on from this. Please help. 00:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)00:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)00:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)00:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)00:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)00:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)00:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)00:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)00:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)00:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)00:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)00:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)00:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)00:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

You didn't mention any of the tried usernames so we cannot examine them. There are more than 12 million taken usernames, and names too similar to a taken name may also be disallowed. See Special:ListUsers. If you have problems with a username not listed there then please post the username and the exact message you get. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:58, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Also, you may be able to usurp a taken name. See WP:USURP. Dismas|(talk) 01:02, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
You need to have an account before usurping another account, so that is pretty pointless. Just create an unique account. MC10 (TCGBL) 03:13, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Right. But the IP could create an account under a name that they don't want. Establish themselves. Then usurp a name they do want. Dismas|(talk) 05:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

is someone else passing off my ip address as their own?Edit

Hello, I'm a frequent visitor to Wiipedia but have neither created an account or ever edited a page, so I was quite confused to recieve a User Talk message saying

"... Unfortunately, one or more of your edits to the page List of fashion designers have not conformed to Wikipedia's verifiability policy, and have been reverted."

Any ideas what might have happened here? There is no chance anyone else could have used this IP (a netbook) to make any edits either. L'il help?

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:36, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi. Just ignore it. You likely have what is called a dynamic IP, one that can be assigned to various different people at different times. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:43, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

K. thnx! bai ;-D

See also the box at the bottom of User talk: The mentioned edit to List of fashion designers is here. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:51, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


  Answered: Kerαunoςcopiagalaxies 06:29, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Is it impolite to "bump" your discussion when a bot comes along? I posted a question in a seldom-frequented talk page, and suddenly a bot took the top spot. So I added a space, marked the edit as minor, and now I'm hoping it'll be seen by some editors. However, is this considered rude or impolite? I would never do this against any actual editor, and I've been "one-upped" by bots in the past—but this is my first time doing that. If it's not cool to do it, then I'll refrain completely in the future. – Kerαunoςcopiagalaxies 03:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

You seem to refer to your edits to Talk:Colorado. On Wikipedia, we don't use the word "bump" to describe this. It seems you made what we call a dummy edit. However, the edit summary you left might not make sense to other Wikipedia editors. The "top spot" you refer to seems to be on the history of the talk page. The bot you refer to is a standard archiving bot, which Wikipedia editors know to ignore. There is nothing wrong with making a dummy edit after a bot edit; that would also keep your edit's entry appearing at the top of any user's watch lists that include this page. However, I wouldn't expect this to be necessary. Any Wikipedia editors who look at the talk page will know to skim down it to spot any unanswered or unresolved questions. But that might take a while; this talk page gets few views, which is a common problem on Wikipedia. Since your question relates to language, you might get faster response on Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language. --Teratornis (talk) 04:27, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Additionally, some users like myself, hide bot edits in their watchlist. Every so often bots will go through and make a single change to dozens of articles and it's annoying to some to see a page full of bot edits and then have to try to look through the noise to see the actual person edits. Dismas|(talk) 05:21, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Great replies, thank you both! Teratornis, thanks for clarifying, I wasn't sure what it was called (but I knew "bump" would be recognized in context); also, excellent suggestion, I will take it up at the language desk. Dismas, I completely forgot you could ignore bots. I will do this immediately. Glad to know I wasn't doing anything out of line. – Kerαunoςcopiagalaxies 06:29, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
I've made a (not very helpful) comment at Talk:Colorado. Deor (talk) 13:19, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Unsigned comment by (talkcontribsinfoWHOIS)Edit

I lost my high School Diploma and need to get a new one. how do I go around of doing that when my diploma was issued by the Lowell Correctional Ins.? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:06, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

  Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. PleaseStand (talk) 03:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Kinda new here...Edit

What is a title blacklist? Is it supposed to block the creation of certain articles? If yes to the second question, how can I still be able to edit Magyar nem ember, Jimmy dummy and such? :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 08:53, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

The title blacklist is basically a set of disallowed titles for articles, largely because they are part of a recognizable pattern of vandalism (HAGGAR?!? for example) which are highly unlikely to actually be a useful article title. If you have a legitimate article which needs one of these titles, and admin can create the article for you. Once created, the article can be edited freely. --Jayron32 05:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
No, I meant like, if its on a blacklist, isn't the article supposed to be created only by admins? I'm autoconfirmed, and yet I can still create it... (Also, I created Jimmy dummy as a test) :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 05:22, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Are you sure those are on the title blacklist? You shouldn't be able to create them if they are... --Jayron32 05:27, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
What exactly do you mean by "blacklist?" There are blacklisted article names, for example, creating the HAGGAR?!?! line of articles (as explained above), or SALTed articles, which only admins can create. I don't think even admins can create those on blacklists. There's also a throttle disallow if I have a new account and try to create articles including or closely matching my username. For example, User:FakeUserGoesHere creating a Fake User Corporation article. —DuncanWhat I Do / What I Say 05:35, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
MediaWiki:Titleblacklist contains throttleable blacklisting. It looks like the titles listed above are ONLY blacklisted for new users, while autoconfirmed users can create them. There are other titles which are move-only blacklist. I think that admins are exempt from the blacklist altogether. --Jayron32 05:40, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Correct. Both admins and account creators have the "tboverride" right, which allows them to override the title blacklist. Avicennasis tb? @ 05:43, 4 Tamuz 5770 / 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 05:46, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Signature problemEdit

Is a while that when I sign a comment with the Signature Button it doesn't work properly. My name is displayed but the links to my talk and user page are not activeated and than comes the bot to sing for again me. I looked for similar issues but I found just this one that was left unresolved Even if the answer is quite old, I went to the page indicated, but I'm not sure where exactly I should post and if is the right place for my issue. Maybe in the meanwhile has someone an answer for me? Thanks in advance! --Dia^ 06:22, 16 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dia^ (talkcontribs)

Hello, please untick the little box in Special:Preferences that says "sign my name using the provided wikitext". It should fix it. Cheers, {{Sonia|ping|enlist}} 07:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm testing now. Thanks for your help! And it is working! --Dia^ (talk) 11:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Eliminating Duplicate Userboxes by merge?Edit

Is it possible to merge two userboxes? There are currently two variants of the University of Iowa userbox. One is used far more frequently than the other and there is only supposed to be one userbox per institution.

Macmanui (talk) 06:31, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

My recommendation would be to start a discussion on the talkpage of one of the userboxes (I'd go for the most frequently used on) and have a link to the discussion on the talkpage of the other userbox). Get a consensus for which version should be the "official" one - then have a redirect to it from the other userbox. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 06:47, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Copy Right Permission ( to add on my Website)Edit


In need your expertise in the following matter.

I am in the process to make website for a new small real estate business. I would like to add a category Victorian Suburbs, wherein I like to add the data of all the Victorian Suburbs. Following is an example: I need your permission (copy right) to add the data of all Victorian Suburbs similar to the following in my website: Please help me ASAP.

Richmond is a suburb in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, 2 km south-east from Melbourne's central business district. Its Local Government Area is the City of Yarra. At the 2006 Census, Richmond had a population of 22,475.

Richmond, Melbourne, Victoria

View of the Pelaco factory between two art deco period houses Population: 22,475 (2006) [1]

Established: 19th century Postcode:3121 Area: 3.8 km² (1.5 sq mi) Property Value: AUD $605,000 [2]

Location: 2 km (1 mi) from Melbourne

LGA:City of Yarra

State District:Richmond

Federal Division:Melbourne

Suburbs around Richmond:

Collingwood, Abbotsford, Kew, East Melbourne, Richmond Hawthorn, Cremorne, South Yarra, Burnley

Please reply ASAP. Thank you for your help.


Sajjad Haider E-mail <removed for privacy> —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:49, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Please refer to Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content. You do not need our explicit permission to reuse content on Wikipedia. That permission is implicit in the license, which you must still abide by, as described at the linked page. Someguy1221 (talk) 07:51, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Need to update the wikipedia entry on the organisation I work forEdit


The entry for the Health Protection Agency (HPA) is out of date and needs updating. I work for the HPA and I don't seem to be able to update the content as Wikipedia insists that I have a conflict of interest. Please could you help me, the updated content is from the HPA annual report and is in the public domain. It is simple factual information. The updated content can be found on the discussion page of the Health Protection Agency wikipedia page.

Thanks (talk) 08:15, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

You do have a conflict of interest, but that's not why your edits were reverted. They were reverted for failing to adhere to the neutral point of view. The "updated" version read like a press release or an official website, rather than an encyclopedic article. The difference is that an encyclopedic article only quotes, summarizes, and paraphrases what has been reported in reliable, disinterested sources, and in the same tone. It is not written with fluffy statements approved by the company the article is about. Also, please stick to one account. Failing to do so will only make a block from editing inevitable. Someguy1221 (talk) 08:52, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for your prompt reply. I apologise for using multiple accounts, it's my first time trying to edit a Wikipedia entry. Can you recommend a way forward? I can certainly re-write the article so that it has a neutral tone and references other reliable sources. The HPA is a non-departmental public body and the NHS are the sponsoring body.

Many thanks (talk) 11:06, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I would certainly recommend you to create an account first. It gives you a lot of benefits, including your own userspace to work on your draft and tell people who you are. When your accoutn is 4 days old and you have made 10 edits with it, you can also do other things such as renaming a page and uploading pictures. Kayau Voting IS evil 12:32, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
But because of the conflict of interest, I would suggest that except when you are correcting uncontroversial referenced factual information, you discuss on the article's Talk page the information you would like to see changed, so that a disinterested editor can make the change. You should certainly include references: another editor could search for them, but it is you who are wanting the article changed. You can use the company's own publications for simple factual information, but for anything else the references must be independent of the company. --ColinFine (talk) 23:26, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

SD-TTSurekh Font not recognised by the wiki editor. Need help in exporting an english article with Sanskrit font (SD-TTSurekh - Devanagari). This is my second posting. Please Help !!Edit

SD-TTSurekh Font not recognised by the wiki editor. Need help in exporting an english article with Sanskrit font (SD-TTSurekh - Devanagari). This is my second posting. Please Help !! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:53, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I have no idea! But there is a [Sanskrit wikipedia], with help pages on editing in Sanskrit. If you can't see an answer there, I suggest you ask at their help desk. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:22, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


The trefoil logo used on the Girlguiding Scotland page:, is very out of date and is being used without the permission of Girlguiding Scotland. The current Girlguiding Scotland logo can be taken from the Girlguiding Scotland homepage at: If anyone could upload the current logo that would be much appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:14, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

'being used without the permission of Girlguiding Scotland' is acceptable because it qualifies as fair use under the United States law, and Wikipedia's servers are located in the US. If you want to replace the image, then complete the following steps:
  1. Create an account
  2. Wait 4 days
  3. Make 10 edits (ie changes) (this can be done simultaneously along with 2)
  4. Click on the picture
  5. Click on upload new version
  6. Upload the new version
  7. Update the info on the image's page
  8. There you go.
  9. Then again, it's likely that someone else will go and do all this.

Kayau Voting IS evil 12:29, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

There was some discussion on this at Girlguiding Scotland a month ago, but there was no response. Is there a brand guide that we can refer to? You can also discuss this at WT:SCOUT. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 17:12, 16 June 2010 (UTC) (WikiProject Scouting)

Can wikipedia content be copied/pasted to create another webpage?Edit

Hi guys,

Recently I ran into this webpage right after having been looking at wikipedia's "Don Quixote" page. It is exactly the same, has just been copied and pasted. Just thought I'd let you know in case they are violating copyrights. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:36, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Copies are allowed, provided they acknowledge Wikipedia. This site appears to: when the page (eventually!) loads, it has Source: adapted by the editor from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia under a copyleft GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) from the article "Don Quixote" at the bottom. TFOWR 11:42, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Heh, loads of people at my school copy and paste Wikipedia for their homework :D Where would we be without Wikipedia?! Chevymontecarlo - alt 12:04, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Heh, kids these days! When I was a lad we had to type our homework-cheat requests on to punched cards, and then wait seven months for the results to be mailed to us! And we were grateful! TFOWR 12:07, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm still a kid. In primary school 4 out of 5 people copied Wikipedia for school projects. And now in secondary school some people still do it. Not me, though. (Partly because my topic is too obscure to appear on WP.) :D Kayau Voting IS evil 12:24, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Pending changes' impact on Lupin's AVTEdit

Will AVT be affected by pending changes?

  • If IP X vandalises protected page A, and before IP X did that, IP Y had made a constructive edit to page A, but that version was not yet reviewed. If I roll back IP X's edit via Lupin's AVT, will my edit be marked as reviewed automatically? Or will I be directed to the diff between my edit and the last stable version? Or will none of these happen at all and my edit will not be marked as reviewed?
  • It will also be helpful if someone can provide a table of differences between pending changes and the flaggerevs used on other projects.

Kayau Voting IS evil 12:22, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Fair UseEdit

I was not sure, if I could post this question on Wikipedia talk:Non-free content: is it possible to upload this picture under a "fair use"-rationale in order to use it in Edwin Sutherland? -- Wo st 01 (talk | rate) 13:05, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

You could certainly post the question at that notice board as well. Sutherland died sixty years ago, so there is no possibility of creating a new free image of him. I would think that uploading the image to Wikipedia would be acceptable under our non-free content policy--Elen of the Roads (talk) 14:58, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, will do that. -- Wo st 01 (talk | rate) 17:48, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


Hi can u please tell me what RESERVED means?As in a more reserved person. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:37, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

It usually means quieter or less likely to be talkative. You can read more at the wiktionary entry. TNXMan 14:41, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

CALA Page removalEdit

  Resolved: John of Reading (talk) 09:53, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi there,

In browsing Wikipedia, a reference was made to CALA in an ISO 17025 standards page. An elaboration was made to CALA and its acronym and the information was speedy deleted. I posted a comment on the editors talk page to this regard and asked how I could post information appropriately. I am affiliated with the organization, but am in no way trying to promote it, only to further the information that was started by someone else. I only requested information on how to update the content, that was all. I have received no response, my question has been removed, an acronym to the name has been removed and I can no longer post on the users talk page due to be "unauthorized".

Any help would be appreciated. I am not a vandal or sock puppet, just a fellow reader.


Labexcellence (talk) 15:18, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Judging by the messages on your talk page, you tried to add content or create a page about The Canadian Association for Laboratory Accreditation by copying material from their web site. This would be a copyright violation, since every page there is tagged "© 2010 CALA Inc". Also, since you are affiliated with the organisation, you are not the right person to write such an article; see the conflict of interest guidelines.
However, if you can find reliable sources that are independent of CALA Inc that demonstrate that the company is notable, then you could ask that an article be created using the sources that you've found. But, I must point out that most companies don't pass this notability test and don't have a Wikipedia article. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:55, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi John of Reading,

Thank you for taking the time to respond. I will do my best to try and find impartial, notable references to the work that CALA does on the international scene that has enhanced laboratory data quality and the effects that has had on things like drinking water quality and other such facets of daily life. I will submit a request for an article to be created and linked from the ISO 17025 reference I found originally. Thanks again for your time.

Labexcellence (talk) 18:24, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


is it possible to leave my car by the oliver tambo air port whilist i fly to uk, and pick it on my coming back after two wks. i stay in botswana —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over three million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. TNXMan 16:07, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

change my page nameEdit

How would I be able to change the my page name?

or in the case start over/ delete my current page?

Packaging Corporation of America (talk) 16:14, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

You can request deletion of your page by placing {{db-u1}} at the top of your page. Please note however, that your page apparently is an advertisement. This is not allowed. I would encourage you to read our guide to conflict of interest. TNXMan 16:18, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
It appears that you are confused about the purpose of Wikipedia. This is not Facebook or MySpace. Your user page is information about you - the user. It is not a business card for the company that you work for. What you appear to be asking is: "How can I change my username?" See WP:RENAME. -- kainaw 16:18, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I recently created a Userspace Draft and I'm not sure how to get it posted (I've tried to figure it out myself and have become hopeless)Edit

I have created the Userspace Draft and adhered to all of the rules, but I'm not sure what the next step is. Can anybody help me out? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evanrosskatz (talkcontribs) 17:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

The instructions are here, but another editor has seen your question and has moved the page for you. It is now Michael Friedman (composer). -- John of Reading (talk) 18:18, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Autofilling comments filterEdit

I just noticed this edit: [1] The anonymous user nicely added wikilinks around a single phrase and "Filter 135" tagged it with "repeating characters". Not only is this unneccessary, but it is very bitey. I notice the filter which I normally find useful in catching simple vandalism has a number of comments on it about false positives and problems. Who is in charge of this anyway? Can it be improved? Rmhermen (talk) 17:58, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that doesn't look good. Are you aware of Wikipedia:Edit filter/False positives/Reports? -- John of Reading (talk) 18:27, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. Rmhermen (talk) 18:32, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Links to resources for parents (books) or support groups (external links)Edit

What is the policy on a "Resources for parents" section in an article about a mental disorder in children, such as Bipolar disorder in children? Personally, I think this section can be way too long and furthermore, it is really difficult to check if these resources are any good. So I would like to remove it, but I thought I check with you first. And related to this question, what about an External links section with support groups? I removed the entire External links section in Codependency, but was reverted. I can't see that links to support groups confirm with WP:ELYES but I might be wrong. The edit comment was "DMOZ Links are widely accepted on Wikipedia" but I don't understand what DMOZ links are. Lova Falk talk 18:29, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Looking at the contributions for the IP user who reverted you, it would appear that DMOZ is intended to refer to DMOZ, the Open Directory Project. But that only answers a small part of your question. I would !vote for reducing the number of links per WP:EL and Wikipedia does not give (implied) medical advice.
I'd like some more experienced editors to review this answer, though. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:48, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
But if I would reduce the numbers of links, which ones to choose? Lova Falk talk 19:02, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
I've removed most of them. In my opinion, links to top-level domains seem promotional. Links should go to pages with specific information on a topic, not to vague "resources for (X)". Just my two cents. TNXMan 19:08, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


I do not get this site at all. Please help me with starting an article, I do not get how to start one, where you start one, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lookin4work (talkcontribs) 19:15, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia can be intimidating for new users. Don't let it get you down. I've left some standard advice below this message. If you have further questions, just ask here.
A Wizard is available to walk you through these steps. See the Article Wizard.

Thank you.

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines with which all articles should comply. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.
Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.
If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article. You might also look at Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. An Article Wizard is also available to walk you through creating an article. TNXMan 19:18, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


What stub category would this article fall under: Powers Music School? As a side note, is their an easier way to find a category than trawling through the category page? Simeon24601 (talk) 19:51, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

We have a very user-friendly list of all stub types. From that page, it looks like {{US-northeast-school-stub}} is the best fit. Intelligentsium 19:59, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
I've always found it easiest to look at similarly situated topics both to find the appropriate categories and the correct stub tags, by looking at those categories. If I know a similarly situated topic I just go there, and if I don't, I simply do a Google search. For example, were I writing an article on a British saxophonist, I might Google just that with a limiter: <"british saxophonist"> (which returns 34 pages). Then to the categories on that page, open a few articles at random in new tabs, and almost always find the correct stub tag (and if there are no stubs, then to a page history, and look at the earliest revisions).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:37, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Good faith misuse of DAB pageEdit

  Resolved: Redrose64 (talk) 21:30, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi, there's a page called IAPA which until a few days ago was a pure dab page. It now looks as if somebody's constructing a non-dab article in there, which by rights should be in a separate page. I would userfy the extra content, but it's all been added by anons. I know nothing about the new stuff, so am not in a position to write the new article myself. What should I do about it? Simplest is to revert to the last clean version (which with all those ELs and redlinks isn't that clean itself), but are there alternatives? --Redrose64 (talk) 20:06, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I've cleaned up some. I've reverted all of the new content, as this page wasn't the correct place for it and tidied up the disambig page. TNXMan 20:18, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
  Thank you --Redrose64 (talk) 21:30, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

how to change a draft page into a wikipedia pageEdit

After creating a draft page how does one change it into a wikipedia page?

Where is the FAQ answer to how to do this?

Wandsworthpark (talk) 21:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Since you asked, the FAQ answer, copied directly, is:

Registered users with a little bit of editing history under their belts can move a page; this moves the page content and edit history to a new title, and creates a redirect page at the old title. This method is better than just copying and pasting the content by hand, as it preserves the article's history, as required by Wikipedia's license. Use the "Move this page" tab at the top of the article to perform a move or rename. Once you have moved a page, please click the "What links here" link in the "toolbox" in the left column and fix the links to the old page (which will be labelled as a redirect in the "What links here" list). See How to rename (move) a page for more details.

Intelligentsium 22:04, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

However, you will need about three more edits and four more days at Wikipedia before you will be allowed to move pages (this is an inconvenience, but necessary to prevent vandalism). Assuming the page you are referring to is User:Wandsworthpark/Wandsworth Park, it seems you need a few more sources to establish notability before it will be ready for the mainspace. Intelligentsium 22:08, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Old FormatEdit

A few weeks ago, Wikipedia suddenly had this new and unpleasant page format. It said I could opt to keep the old familiar page format, and I did so. Now it is back to the new (hard to use) format, and I can't find a way to correct this. How do I go back to the old format ??

Please reply to <email address removed>

ALA —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:13, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

The new, default skin is called 'Vector'; the older one is called 'Monobook'.

You cannot change the default skin unless you create an account - but it's very quick, easy and free to do so, and there are lots of benefits.
Once you have an account, go to the "Skin" section of the Appearance tab of the page my preferences. With the default skin, this page can be accessed at anytime from the link "my preferences" placed on the top right corner. Choose your skin (ie "Monobook" for the older type) and click Save. Then, all pages will be loaded with the new selected skin. For a complete description, see Help:Preferences#Skin.
Note, I will also answer this prospective new Wikipedian via email - but using an email address on this page is not a good idea (you might get spam), so I removed it. Chzz  ►  22:42, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Move articlesEdit

How do I move articles? There was a button before but cant find it now. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:38, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Look at the image to the right. It should be under the inverted triangle tab. If you had the "Add page and user options to drop-down menus on the toolbar." gadget enabled, it should be under the "Page" tab just at the left of the search bar, third link one down. Intelligentsium 22:47, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Ok, found it now, thank you. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
The move option in the new "Vector" skin appears when you move your mouse cursor over the small drop-down menu, shown here. (Other users may not have the "TW", which is the optional gadget, twinkle)
Before this was answered, I decided to draw this little pic - a lot of people have trouble finding this, so I thought it might come in useful. Best,  Chzz  ►  23:21, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Yodel Australia?Edit


I created an article on Yodel Australia. I spent quite a bit of time on it, I added sources and wrote it in a way that was attempting to provide non-bias information. However, when I had a look today, it had been deleted. Could you please please explain to me why this was? Also is there something I can do about it and provide some more information?

Email me back please: <redacted>

Cheers Nathanael —Preceding unsigned comment added by Natkolk (talkcontribs) 23:29, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

  Please do not include contact details in your questions. We are unable to provide answers by any off-wiki medium and this page is highly visible across the internet. The details have been removed, but if you want them to be permanently removed from the page history, please email this address. That aside, it's probably best to contact the deleting administrator. Robert Skyhawk (T C B) 23:44, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
The page Yodel Australia has actually been created and deleted four times; three times for G11 - unambiguous advertising or promotion and once for containing A1 - insufficient context to identify the subject. You've had messages on your talk page explaining what has happened. The major problem with the text of that article was that it read like an attempt to promote the company, not a neutral encyclopaedia article about it. It also failed to establish that the company is notable enough to be the subject of an encyclopaedia article. The criteria for this are at WP:N#CORP. For example, take the 8 citations you supplied in the article. Of these, #s 1, 4 and 5 were directory listings; #3 was a self-published social networking profile; and #7 was the company's own website. #s 6 and 8 were news coverage, but not of the company itself - it was mentioned in passing in #6 but not at all in #8. That leaves #1, which was a news item but not a major one, and pretty obviously based on a press release. This does not amount to "substantial coverage in multiple independent sources" and is thus not sufficient proof of notability on Wikipedia.
Following the fourth deletion under the name "Yodel Australia", you reintroduced the material by overwriting a redirect page at Yodel. This was promptly re-nominated for speedy deletion. I have removed the material and restored the redirect; please see Talk:Yodel for my reasons.
If you want to try again to make an article about this company that satisfies Wikipedia criteria, I would strongly suggest that you draft it in a user sandbox space, at User:Natkolk/Yodel Australia. Read all the guidance you have been linked to, and when you think you have satisfied the various criteria, list your draft at WP:RFF to get other users' feedback on its suitability. One word of warning though - if you work for this company, or are closely connected to it in any other way, you are strongly discouraged from creating an article about it because of the potential conflict of interest. If it is genuinely notable, someone else will do so eventually. Karenjc 08:14, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Hello, everyone - I've recently reviewed Natkolk's article at WP:RFF#footer (I wasn't aware that it had been deleted so many times before) and asked him to make it more neutral and add more good references. If he can improve it, would it be possible for it to get moved to mainspace? The title is currently creation-protected. Thanks! ~ QwerpQwertus ·_Contact Me_·Get Adopted! 03:18, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
I added some more references and have really attempted to make it completely neutral. I am willing to change whatever is necessary. Sorry about my other versions, I was unaware of all the terms and conditions. If this gets approved, it would of been my first Wikipedia article. Let me know if there are any other changes that I should make. It would be great if we could get this approved. Thanks. Natkolk (talk) 04:33, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
It seems mostly neutral now and there are more good references - I think it's ready to be put up.~ QwerpQwertus ·_Contact Me_·Get Adopted! 05:23, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks very much. That would be great if it could go up. :) Natkolk (talk) 05:38, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
If the article name has been salted, you'll need to get an administrator to unprotect it so you can move the new version there. The last deleting administrator was User:Ronhjones, whose talk page is here. Lankiveil also speedied the old article on the same day. I'd see first whether either of them agrees that the new version is acceptable and is prepared to unsalt the page. The other option is WP:Deletion review. Karenjc 12:58, 18 June 2010 (UTC)