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Ajith Kumar filmography edit

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Nominator(s): Kailash29792 (talk), Ssven2 (talk) and Vensatry (talk) 03:21, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because Thala is one of Tamil cinema's most iconic and successful actors whose insane fanbase (who vandalise the majority of his articles) has not been a major obstacle in bringing this list to where it stands today. Kailash29792 (talk) 03:21, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from FrB.TG

  • "Following that, he made his debut as a lead actor" - why can't you scrap following that and simply begin the sentence with pronoun?
  • "He followed this debut with supporting" - I would rephrase "followed this" for variety.
  • "In 1995 he landed his first breakthrough role in the romantic thriller" - two things. It is not like you have your first breakthrough followed by your second and so on. Perhaps better as "he had his breakthrough with"?
  • "The success of the film helped him establish himself" → "The success of the film established him"
  • Fetch is a bit informal.
  • "The film's success prompted Rajiv Menon to cast Ajith in his directorial venture Kandukondain Kandukondain" - we just had a sentence "the success..." I would write it as "As a result, Rajiv cast Ajith". Also, I would remove directorial venture.
  • "Featuring an ensemble cast, the film saw him paired opposite Tabu." Given the size of the prose, this could be removed without detriment.
  • "he collaborated with debutant AR Murugadoss" - director or actor?
  • "Both films were commercially successful." Both as in Dheena and Citizen?

More later, hopefully. – FrB.TG (talk) 18:53, 19 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@FrB.TG: All of the above comments have been resolved, Frank.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 04:15, 20 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the delay. I have made some edits in the meanwhile. Please check if I have messed up anything.

  • " 2007, he was seen in two remakes—Kireedam and Billa. The former was a remake of the 1989 Malayalam film of the same name while the latter was a remake of the 1980 Tamil film of the same name" - remake ... remake ... remake; same name ... same name. Too much repetition in just two sentences.
I've reworded. Please see. Kailash29792 (talk) 15:56, 28 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Is this better? – FrB.TG (talk) 17:41, 28 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, much better. But could the dash be replaced with a colon? Because I don't know much about dashes. Kailash29792 (talk) 17:54, 28 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I feel like film genres should not be linked but masala genre is not something non-Indian readers would understand, so..
Done. "Masala" is the only genre in the lead that is linked now (should epistolary be delinked?) Kailash29792 (talk) 15:56, 28 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I think that one can stay; it does not seem like a common term. - FrB.TG (talk) 17:43, 28 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • crime drama - see the above comment. Perhaps no need to wiki-link it. – FrB.TG (talk) 19:06, 27 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Kailash29792 (talk) 15:56, 28 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@FrB.TG: Kailash has resolved all of the above remaining comments, Frank. Do let us know if there is anything pending. Thanks.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 08:22, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support on prose. – FrB.TG (talk) 23:11, 8 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@FrB.TG: Thank you, Frank. Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 08:30, 9 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Cowlibob

Resolved comments from Cowlibob (talk) 18:30, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
*The lead does need it be cut down. Especially the mentions of films where the sentence is basically "He appeared in this film." with no description of its success, his performance etc.
Done by Kailash29792.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 07:00, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Despite earning merely average income from his acting work, the film helped him obtain more modelling assignments". This is an odd sentence. The source I think says the film was an "average grosser" not that he earned an average income from it. Could this be rephrased or even discarded?
I support your idea, but don't know why it was rephrased that way. Kailash29792 (talk) 20:11, 28 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Done: The source says "average grosser", and I have modified the sentence accordingly. Kailash29792 (talk) 05:45, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why was Aasai his breakthrough? Did it make lots of money with him as the lead? Was his performance lauded by critics?
Both. Added a sentence.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 07:00, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think you can replace the second mention of Vaali with the film.
Done by Kailash29792.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 07:00, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • What does "Thala" translate to in English?
It means "head". Added. Kailash29792 (talk) 20:11, 28 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • The racing career is only mentioned in the third paragraph surprising the reader, perhaps mention that he wanted to be one earlier. Perhaps a way you could introduce it is mentioning his earlier injury from an amateur race which stopped him acting.
He had aspirations for the sport but did not pursue it actively until 2003. He just reduced his work in films during this period.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 07:00, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Cowlibob, you make a good point. In fact, he had a major injury in the early part of his career as well. Kailash29792, can you add something about it? —Vensatry (talk) 18:58, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Vensatry, if you had been more specific, I could have easily found info on that. Based on what you said, I only found this which says he was injured while filming Vedalam, Arrambam and Billa. Kailash29792 (talk) 02:51, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
He suffered a major injury during the mid 90s, at the time when Pavithra got released. —Vensatry (talk) 07:28, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Then I got the source, which is already used. Can you review and do c/e once I've placed it? Kailash29792 (talk) 08:29, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Kailash29792 and Vensatry: The information is in the main biography article, right under our very noses. Here it is, under the question "When did you start looking at acting as a profession?".  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 08:36, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Vensatry and Ssven2, I've added the information. Can you please see if it is fine/matching the source? Kailash29792 (talk) 08:39, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Was Attahasam commercially successful or was his performance praised or both?
Commercial success. Added.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 07:00, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In 2006, he returned", he continued to act in films in the interim just less of them so can it really be counted as a return?
Guess you're right about that, Cowlibob. Modified the sentence.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 07:00, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • How much did Mankatha gross?
The lifetime gross is not provided by reliable sources (Behindwoods and IndiaGlitz give the gross as 1.3 billion Indian rupees. Both fail WP:RS.) I've added the first week gross instead.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 07:00, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • How do surnames work in Tamil? As the role column currently sorts by first name.
Tamil people seldom use surnames. They use patronymics, usually initialising their father's name and placing it before their given name. Kailash29792 (talk) 20:11, 28 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Cowlibob (talk) 19:18, 28 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Cowlibob: I and Kailash29792 have hopefully resolved all your comments. Do let us know if there is anything pending. Thanks.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 07:00, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support Good list. Requires source review and I think it should be there. Cowlibob (talk) 18:30, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Cowlibob: Thank you, Cowlibob. Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 07:55, 11 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Mymis

  • "had the biggest opening in Tamil cinema" -> opening weekend? opening week?
    Day —Vensatry (talk) 06:21, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the references, where the refs that are archived, the accessdates are probably not needed.
    Will leave this to the co-noms. —Vensatry (talk) 06:21, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • ref 16 not formatted properly
    Fixed —Vensatry (talk) 06:21, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • in refs, The Times of India is linked in two different refs
    Fixed —Vensatry (talk) 06:21, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Mymis (talk) 21:22, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Mymis: Vensatry has resolved your comments, Mymis. Do let us know if there is anything pending. Thanks.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 12:25, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Accessdates are not necessary in refs that are archived. You are yet to change that.
@Mymis: Isn't it necessary to show the accessdate of when the URL was retrieved?  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 06:54, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Ssven2: Archivedate serves that purpose. —Vensatry (talk) 07:27, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Mymis: Removed accessdates.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 13:17, 9 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • You have to decide whether you put comma after years or not, I mean, "In 1997 he had five re...", "In 2007, he was seen in t", or "Between 2003 and 2005 Ajith...".
  • Remove full stop in the caption of the picture.

Mymis (talk) 17:26, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Mymis: Fixed the last two. —Vensatry (talk) 18:10, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • You have my support. Great job! Mymis (talk) 14:02, 9 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Mymis: Thank you, Mymis. Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 16:26, 9 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Aoba47

Resolved comments from Aoba47
  • The phrase “an average grosser” sounds a little odd to me. I would rephrase it.
    Rephrased —Vensatry (talk) 06:21, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the sentence about Varalaru, you describe that he plays three roles and only say one (the classical dancer). Why did you only mention one of the three roles?
    I think it was added because he is not really known for his dancing skills. Removed the bit as there's no context. —Vensatry (talk) 06:21, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can you identify in the sentence in Reference 19 that supports how he broke the “stereotypical image of a leading man in Tamil cinema”? I cannot locate it in the source.
    Removed the bit as it was not the first-of-its-kind Tamil film. —Vensatry (talk) 06:21, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I also agree with Mymis’ above comments.
  • @Ssven2: Once my comments are addressed, I will support this nomination. Good luck with this. Aoba47 (talk) 00:22, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Vensatry, thanks for addressing various comments in my absence. I found out that Ajith's performance in Mankatha earned him a Best Actor nomination at Filmfare South (as seen in this video at 2:37). Mymis and Aoba47, since there are probably no reliable text sources covering this, could I cite the event itself? But the video is from an unverified channel, even though it shows the event being broadcast on Star Vijay. We can't deliberately leave out such things as it borders on gaming the system. Also, should we list his major wins/nominations in the table under the "notes" column? Kailash29792 (talk) 12:41, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Kailash29792:@Vensatry: Thank you for addressing my comments. I would not include a table of his major wins and nominations as there is already a separate list devoted to that (as put in the "See also" section) so that would not be necessary. I am honestly not sure if the video would work as a citation (I am leaning more towards no, but I am uncertain), and you could also pose this question at Wikipedia:RSN as they would have more informed about what can be used as a source and in what context. I apologize for not being much help in that matter. Aoba47 (talk) 14:33, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Aoba47, Kailash29792, and Vensatry: I believe it can be cited like reference number 32 in List of accolades received by Kahaani.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 16:28, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Makes sense to me. That appears to be an appropriate citation method. Once this is addressed, I will support this. Aoba47 (talk) 17:13, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Aoba47: Done. As asked.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 17:36, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Ssven2: Support Great job with the list and good luck with getting it promoted in the future!

@Aoba47: Thank you very much, Aoba47. Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 12:25, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! I am glad that I can help in any way. Aoba47 (talk) 14:16, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Mymis and Aoba47, the movie you saw in the table (English Vinglish) is a Tamil-Hindi bilingual, and Ajith appears only in the Tamil version, not Hindi. Is there a better term than "Cameo appearance (Tamil version only)"? Kailash29792 (talk) 05:10, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It was not a bi-lingual; however it was claimed to be one. Added a footnote to clarify the same. —Vensatry (talk) 07:00, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@PresN, Giants2008, and The Rambling Man: Pinging you for source review.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 09:02, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Just add it to the yellow box at the top of WP:FLC; someone will get to it soon (it doesn't have to be a director/delegate). --PresN 14:41, 15 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Yashthepunisher

  • The alt text is missing a fullstop.
  • I think it would be more specific to link tamil & telugu to the film Industries instead of the language.
  • You can write 'Ajith', instead of 'a man' in the alt text.
  • Sify should be linked in ref 15.

I'm not aware of his career, so can't comment on it. Yashthepunisher (talk) 19:23, 17 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Yashthepunisher: Fixed [1] and [4]. As for [2], we usually link them to languages (that's the standard way). Re [3], WP:ALT suggests not to mention the name if the article is particular about the subject. Thanks for the comments. —Vensatry (talk) 06:18, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Vensatry: I understand why now. It shows up in the WP:FLC page right? It did, actually. So, my bad. Won't repeat it again. Thanks for resolving the comments BTW.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 08:16, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Yashthepunisher: Thank you, Yash. Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 08:54, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 12:54, 19 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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