Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Archived nominations/April 2005

A clearly written nothing-fancy article with good illustrations revealing a fact that few of us knew beforehand. I found it by pure accident. -- Egil 18:40, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • Object - good, as far as it goes, but could do with an image of something in the place (for example, an archive image of the mine) or of a person who is involved, and the article has no references. Also, is there anything to say about it more recently than 1920 or before 1815? -- ALoan (Talk) 18:58, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Object agree with Aloan. 1)An image of the place today would also be nice. 2) The map is not too clear after clicking it. Is it possible to get the location drawn on a contemporary map? 3)Needs a copyedit too. Otherwise is an interesting article.  =Nichalp (talk · contribs)= 19:04, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)
  • Object. Article needs references. The content looks fine by me. One detail maybe though: the caption of the flag picture says it is an "unofficial flag", but there is no mention of the flag in the article. Where does it come from then? Were the colors taken from the coat of arms of a local noble/place? Also, I do not usually object articles because of pictures, but a photography sure would be nice. Phils 10:06, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

A very well written article on a fascinating subject. The early Christian church has given the entire world a lasting legacy, and people tend not to have a large body of personal knowledge on the specifics. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 18:24, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)

Object:
  • No coverage of differences of opinion before the council
  • No coverage of the effects of the first council
  • No references. :ChrisG 20:01, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • The article on the "differences of opinion" is at Arianism and is linked in the intro. I admit it could cover the effects better, I'll look into writing a bit more on that. Also, while the formatting may suck at the moment, it is referenced as to its sources, check the bottom. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 18:50, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)
  • Object : no pictures / no references. Mozzerati 11:22, 2005 Apr 23 (UTC)
    • No pictures? Come on... it happened in 325, what do you want, a group photo? :) --Dante Alighieri | Talk 18:50, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)
      • A painting, engraving, or photo of something pertaining to the event that that still exists could be used. --mav 20:01, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Object, the referencing needs to be made more informative. Does the note "Initial text from Schaff-Herzog Encyc of Religion. Please update as needed" mean that the article has been rephrased and wikified starting from a text dump of Schaff-Herzog...? Or not? If it does, not only publication information but author of the specific entry and some general information about this encyclopedia needs to be given: is it a NPOV source, or does it represent particular theological views? (And if so, is there some balancing information and views in the article, and where do they come from?). It's full title might give a clue. The external links provided seem, from the comments made on them, to be offered as further reading rather than sources. The important Χproblem isn't of formatting and formalia, but of lettiing the reader know where the information comes from, and giving the reader tools for evaluating possibilities of bias: which of the external links were used for what, how old is the dictionary, what kind of dictionary is it? That kind of thing. Oh, on another note, if you need another pic, here's a gorgeous "group photo", and here's a rather nicer version of the icon that you've got. --Bishonen | talk 09:29, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Object, too many broken links...--Bastique 20:08, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Withdrawn, too many reasonable objections. I sure would like to see something on the early Christian church Featured though, any suggestions? --Dante Alighieri | Talk 20:27, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
  • Actually, I think it would be a lovely article if we just get those wiki links in and put afew pretty pictures on it! I say let's dig in and work for it! --Bastique 20:59, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

April 05 bid

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  • OK. Me again. The last time I put Disneyland forward for this nomination, the article was turned down. The article being turned down ended up being favourable, as the article was improved significantly with re-organization and unnecessary information deletion. I believe the article is one of the finest Wikipedia has produced, and a lot of team effort from a lot of Wikipedians has made it what it is, and that certainly deserves a lot of recognition - there is no better way than to be a Featured Article on the Main Page.

Now a Featured Article on any day is better than no Featured Article at all, but if the article was featured on May 5 it would carry a great deal of significance as May 5 is the day that the official celebrations of Disneyland's fiftieth anniversary. That would be extra special if the article was featured on that day, but as I have said, the purpose of this bid is most importantly to actually get the article featured. I hope you understand what I mean.--Speedway 19:40, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

Object - the article as a whole is exceptional, but the lead section places undue emphasis on the name of the place, rather than acting as a summary of the article. You hope this to be featured on the main page - the lead section is usually taken verbatim and put on the main page. If you imagine these paragraphs on the main page, more than half of what would be there, is getting into the specifics of its naming. I suggest moving the information about the copyright nature of the name etc to another part of the article, and then build up the lead paragraph so that it can stand by itself on the main page. This is my only criticism. Rossrs 02:30, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Object. Lead is not a good summary of the article. "Political correctness" is entirely one-sided and without attribution of any kind, and appears to me to be a user's rant. References section is inadequate: while the article covers many things in detail, the references given is one book on Disneyland's early history, one brief webpage on the Skyway, and park brochures. Entirely missing is information on where, at the least, the detailed information on deaths in the park came from, how one car of skinheads was sitting outside the park, etc.--the article is very, very far from verifiable. There is no criticism. There are two-sentence headings. 119 02:47, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Object. The lead section is inappropriate, references are inappropriate (too many unsourced claims, much of the info in the article clearly does not come from the sources mentioned in the "References" section). There should probably a single, much more homogenous history section with more actual dates (when were all the Theme Parks in the "Disney theme parks" section inaugurated?), with subheadings. Right now, we have an entire section on the opening day, then jumps 35 years foward to the "1990s". You'll note "Disneyland 2005 and beyond" doesn't actually any events that occured in 2005. The last sections (starting with "Political correctness") are all unsourced, and some are too short. Phils 10:08, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thank-you to all so far have contributed, your points have been noted and are in the process of being rectified. --Speedway 15:35, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)

Fine example of Wikipedia (when you start diving into the sub-pages) Nick Catalano (Talk) 05:52, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • Object. No references at the least. Note that Nick Catalano is the nominator. 119 06:05, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Object. There isn't anything substantial on the incredible cultural impact of Google or the fact, for example, that "to google" is now a commonly used verb for a great percentage of the English-speaking population. I would need to see this article expanded and made less dry before I could support. Moncrief 07:11, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
  • Object. No references. Also, the WMF section is out-of-date and should probably be removed anyway since it's not that important a part of what Google does. JYolkowski // talk 14:11, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The article is well-written and provides in-depth information about a very important educational institution in the southern United States. It is a striking portrait of the history, traditions, and activities of students, administrators and faculty at Emory, and deserves to be recognized as such.

Note this was self-nominated by Absecon 59. plattopustalk 10:48, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
  • Object. 1) Lead section needs an expansion. 2) Some pictures of the building/s itself would be useful. plattopustalk 10:48, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
  • Object. I'm a grad student at Emory, but I'm not impressed by the article. Look at Yale University, University of Chicago or MIT for comparison; they're not featured articles. Some specific improvements needed: subheadings for History section, more on student clubs and organizations, a discription of the campus apart from its historical chronicle.Sayeth 21:36, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)

I think this is quite a good article. I created it, but I didn't write too much of it.

Andre (talk) 20:52, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)

  • Object. 1) No references. Please, please read the criteria before nominating. 2) There is a near complete lack of wikification outside of a couple sections. 3) The second paragraph in the lead section is conjecture. That would need to be factually restated. 4) The prose is choppy in places, making it not flow well. Try elmininating one or two sentence paragraphs. - Taxman 21:08, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
    • There are references, they're just in-line references. Last I checked, that was ok. Sorry. Andre (talk) 22:20, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
      • For those who are counting, I saw 24 in-line references. I don't think that's horrible by any means, and don't bite people, Taxman. Mike H 23:42, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
        • Well I apologize my comment was overly curt, in hindsight, and given my error, it was. Hmmm and I even checked for references in the wikisource. I guess I am spoiled by people that use Wikipedia:Footnote3 and Template_Talk:Inote, and I searched for those. Ideally the external links would use one of those methods or similar to collect all the inline links in a standard section at the bottom so they are easy to see. - Taxman 14:04, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
          • Apology accepted, no offense taken. At any rate, I've consolidated all the references on the bottom in a References section now, and I've attempted to address parts 2 and 3 of your objection. Could you be a bit more specific for #4? Andre (talk) 22:08, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
            • For 2, that is better, but there still seems to be many that can be done. I will do what I can. For 3, I tried to make it more direct. You could go even farther by simply saying that there is a hobby interest in the subject, and hobbyests find it interesting because... Ideally cite something from hobbyests that says or supports why. Which leads to the question, is this similar/related/or almost the same thing as ham radio as a hobby? Is it an oganized hobby thing, sporadic, etc. For 4, basically one or two sentence paragraphs are rarely complete ideas. If they are, they break up the flow of the text so much that the flow is very choppy, stopping and starting repeatedly. There's a lot of those in there. Try to build more narrative arc by merging or eliminating them. - Taxman 20:04, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. Wikipedia:What is a featured article says that an article must have a "References" section, with inline citations as an enhancement. There is now a References section, but it has only one of the 25 references used, so I do not think it meets that critera. 119 18:47, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Addressed this. Andre (talk) 22:11, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
  • Well I didn't start the article, but I wrote about 80% of the material, especially the technical details. Because I have written around 30 web articles on TV FM DX, based on 30 years of practical experience, I guess I am somewhat qualified. Bivariate-correlator May 1, 2005

Had immense attention and focus in late 2003 and early 2004, and has been extremely stable since then. No images. Tom Haws

  • Support, although article could use an appropriate image and the lead block should be trimmed. This article's journey highlights the benefits of group editing by wikipedians of varied backgrounds. Cool Hand Luke 07:02, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Support This is an excellent example of collaboration from Mormon adherents, critics of Mormons and editors of other faiths. -Visorstuff 16:39, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Some uncouth writing and unclear points. Cookiecaper 17:29, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose Run on sentences and material that belongs elsewhere. Clean it up and separate the material into several articles. This should not be an article showcasing opposition to the LDS faith via mainstream Christianity. This article should be used to branch out intoseveral new articles or to salt existing articles with its work. --Vegasbright 18:57, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Lead section is too long and I'd like to see more inline citations. As is, almost all are just associated with quotations. The other data presented in the article also need to be backed up when particular points are made. --mav 02:43, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Support This is a well-balanced article on a potentially contentious subject. While improvements could be made, I'm fairly certain that will always be the case. wrp103 (Bill Pringle) - Talk 16:41, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Support. I agree that the lead might be successfully trimmed to the article's benefit, and I don't dispute that some minor tweaks still remain, but to deny FA status to one of the best examples of Wikipedia offering a neutral, accurate, informative article on an extremely controversial subject would not be right, in my opinion. If every article at Wikipedia was this good (including all the other controversial areas), we could be proud indeed. Jwrosenzweig 22:47, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The article is good for the reasons Jwrosenzweig says, but the writing needs to be improved first, and I think several sections could either be written more concisely or possibly have some material moved elsewhere. It deserves to be cleaned up and renominated, and to this end I've begun to give it some renewed attention. Can't imagine what image would go with the article. Wesley 03:37, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment I think the lead section definitely needs to be tidied up: it's not only too long, it doesn't really fulfil the definitional and structuring role it really should. But hopefully that can be fixed during the period the article's under consideration. Alai 02:27, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Recreated from incorrectly archived FAC at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Noel Gallagher

I've but it up before, but THIS TIME!!!! Oh Lordy, this time it's got to go up!

Then again...

Not quite self nom. anymore.

Come on! There's a comrehensive ,well researched biography (with refrences at the bottom), inshight into his songwriting, infamous public image and his relationship with Liam. Just read it. and do me a favour, if you spot a spelling mistake, don't come back here and complain, just correct it. Don't worry. It'll just be between you, me and these four. Go on! you know you want to! Crestville

  • Object. Extremely biased, containing many personal assertions such as "Gallagher's bravado certainly warrants merit considering the commercial and critical success of Oasis", "which reveals his lonely, paranoid state", "the fiasco of Be Here Now", "Noel's arrogant front", "The arguments seem to pit Noel's calm, complacent wit, logic and canniness against Liam's arrogance, tendency to fly off the handle..."; the subject is constantly referred to by his first name; "fair use" images have no justification given. I suggest a rewrite/peer review. 119 21:08, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Still, pretty great, eh?--Crestville 21:13, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Fixed POV. However, I defend refferring to him by his first name as the article also makes regular referance to his brother, which could cause confusion if their surname was used. The most logical way to avoid this is to reffer to both by their first name.--Crestville 21:35, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Object. I agree with User:119. This article is full of POV statements. The second sentence of the article already announces the "flavour" of the writing: "[...] though much of the stories of their brawls is the work of the media." Who says so? It it's Gallagher or his brother then quote him, otherwise it's POV. I assume the author(s) doesn't know him personally, ergo they know about him mainly through the media. As such, whether media outlets tend to exaggerate his conflictual relation with his brother is inherently a matter of opinion. Phils 11:32, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment - I have added more links to other Wikipedias with the aid of this excellent tool. See my comments on Dorset, above.--194.73.130.132 14:15, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Object. This is still biased, and is also fairly poorly written in places (for example: the article makes it unclear whom Noel divorced, his wife, or his daughter). I support 119's suggestion that this article be either largely rewritten or sent to peer review.
  • Object. Of course it's going to be biased, it's the article of a controversial guy! AS long as they make the article easier to read it's fine. Have your own opinions because you can't take all the opinion out of the article cause then it wouldn't be a feature article anymore and it would be damn boring. By the way I'm going to the Oasis concert in November!!!! YAY!

Rje 01:43, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)

Long, detailed, lots of pictures, excellent writing. It fits the criteria. User:Luigi30 (Υσηρ ταλκ ΛυηγηΛ) 00:49, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • Object Please do not submit article without references, especially if they are about potentially controversial topics or public personalities. I will provide a more extensive review later. Phils 05:51, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Some works has to be done on governements : some ministers are referred as "Minister of State". A French governement is made of "Ministres d'Etat" (Minister of State), "Ministres" (Minister) and "Secrétaires d'Etat" (Secretary of State). The title of "Sous-Secrétaire d'Etat" (Sub-Secretary of State) has also been used (that's not very common but de Gaulle himself was one case). A "Ministre d'Etat" is in charge of something (for instance Justice) and will be referred as "Ministre d'Etat, Ministre de la Justice"). I noticed the same problem in several articles about French governements. Ericd 11:03, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Object. Agree with Phils. Please read the criteria before nominating. Also the lists at the end should probably be moved into sub articles. - Taxman 16:52, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)
  • Object Though comprehensive, its got too many headings and too much text which may be moved to dedicated articles. I also am not sure if adding years in the headings is the right way to do so.  =Nichalp (talk · contribs)= 18:31, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)
    • Too many headings ? Well 19, 14 for Richard Nixon, 10 for Bill Clinton and 19 for Winston Churchill. Ericd 13:38, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
      • Nixon's headings are good. Clinton's and Churchill's are overwhelming. Ignore the bibliography, external links and references.  =Nichalp (talk · contribs)= 19:23, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)
      • Except that dates were used in the article about de Gaulle, a choice than can be disputed, it has more or less the same chronological structure than Nixon. Ericd 21:07, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Object. The majority of the images have no source nor copyright status information. -- Infrogmation 08:33, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment - I have added more links to other Wikipedias with the aid of this excellent tool. See my comments on Dorset, above. --194.73.130.132 14:27, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Overhaul of article on CdG

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Apologies if this is not the appropriate place to inquire ... if not, could someone pse advise? Since October, when the comment, “Nag banner about lack of citations”, was posted on its discussion page, the article on CdG has undergone an overhaul. There are now 102 footnote references where there had previously been only 16.

Work is on-going, but can the banner about a lack of citations now be withdrawn? How does one go about making such a request? Where do we go from here?

Thank you ... Mikeo1938 (talk) 21:54, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]