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Biography subhead

Please don't add the biography subhead for the sake of adding a biography subhead. The article is the biography. We don't need the biography subhead encompassing the whole article, for the same reason we don't need an "Article text" subhead. Theoldsparkle (talk) 17:15, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

It adds more clarity.

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re:Alyah

Hi! Yes, the instructions for template:infobox film details this. It should only be the "star" or the main leads, not everyone in the film. They can be listed in the article body. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{And the horse} 16:53, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes, in the body of the article, rather than in the infobox. Lugnuts ^{And the horse} 17:06, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

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September 2012

Before adding a category to an article, as you did to Talk:Emily Deschanel, please make sure that the subject of the article really belongs in the category that you specified according to Wikipedia's categorization guidelines. Categories must also be supported by the article's verifiable content. Categories may be removed if they are deemed incorrect for the subject matter. Thank you. I am continuing to revert your automated spam of the WP US banner to articles which do not merit its inclusion. Elizium23 (talk) 21:42, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Not spam at all, she's an American citizen acting on American television.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:26, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Just a note if you add |USfilm=yes to the WPUS banner it will generate into WikiProject American film as well as into those related categories. There's also |USTV=yes and several others. Kumioko (talk) 23:12, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

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Pls see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States#Overzealous tagging.Moxy (talk) 22:35, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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James Goodnight

Hi Zigzig. I was just poking around for any active editors that may have an interest in the James Goodnight article. I'm working on bringing it up to a GA with a COI and thought you might be interested in collaborating on it. I've posted a proposed first draft from the Talk page. My request edit will eventually be handled by an editor managing the queue, but I think it's much better if an editor can be found that has an interest and in some cases some degree of knowledge on the subject. User:CorporateM 19:48, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

polo players

FYI... WikiProject Sports does not include people. Bgwhite (talk) 08:21, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Good to know. I'll see what I can do.Zigzig20s (talk) 08:22, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

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Self-proclaimed Rabbi who visited Iran, Denies the Holocaust, helps Hamas. Can you help with edits on this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_friedman Tellyuer1 (talk) 17:59, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

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W. Alan McCollough

Well, that was 6 years ago!

The entire text in that version was:

Residing CEO, and Chairman of Circuit City.

If he is notable and you can write an appropriate article or stub, feel free to do so. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:03, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

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James R. Gribbs?

Are you sure of that? I find no trace of such an article. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:45, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome to try, but I just don't see the notability. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:03, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

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Felix Robertson

Hi, Zig! This is regarding the article you started, Felix Robertson. I am considering nominating it for WP:DYK. The 'hook' would go something like:

"... that Felix Robertson, the first known white child born in Nashville, went on to become the Mayor of Nashville, Tennessee twice?"

Please review my changes to the article, and the nomination, and let know what you think. Regards, Gilliam (talk) 13:56, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

I have posted Felix Robertson's article for DYK consideration at Template:Did you know nominations/Felix Robertson. Feel free to edit the hook accordingly. I'm sure he was considered an aristocrat; his father was a prominent general and he was a well-educated man who associated with the upper classes of the city he helped found! Zig, could you do me a favor and look at my Steps of Cincinnati article. It's also nominated for DYK (Template:Did you know nominations/Steps of Cincinnati), and apparently the references need fixed. I'm afraid I'm not sure how to do this. Thanks.- Gilliam (talk) 17:49, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much :) Are you going to be creating any articles about Nashville mayors soon? That was fun.- Regards, Gilliam (talk) 18:41, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Check out this image result [1]. The picture in the first box is the Washington Bogart Cooper portrait. It could be uploaded to Wikipedia as it's so old that it falls in the public domain... Do you think there's room in the article to illustrate his Legacy section? What do you think about adding it? - Gilliam (talk) 20:21, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

I could not find any image results for Tannehill. He died decades before Robertson so if there was an image out there it would probably be a daguerreotype.- Gilliam (talk) 21:30, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

William Armstrong (1795-1847)

I'm afraid I couldn't find any connection between the elder Armstrong and the 8th North Carolina Regiment nor oould I find an image of him.- Gilliam (talk) 09:20, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Randal McGavock

According to this article, Randal McGavock lived to the ripe old age of 117. Gilliam (talk) 21:47, 26 March 2013 (UTC) P.S. I was at the Lanier Mansion in Indiana last year. If you ever get the chance it's quite impressive.- Gilliam (talk) 22:03, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Albert Jacob

Hi. While working through a bundle of perceived COI edits, I noted your Drum quote and edit on AJ's overt christianity. This had been removed by someone else. While thinking it to be fair enough, I didn't restore it because it seemed a bit heavy handed following the ministerial appointment. So there is still room to acknowledge the christian stuff, though I personally would prefer a more impartial source like a newspaper report or interview transcript. Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 05:33, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

OK, I've put it back, under his parliament career, not in the lead section. Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 05:49, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

John Goodlett

I have added the namesake to Goodlettsville, Tennessee. It was A. G. Goodlett, not John Goodlett.- Gilliam (talk) 06:31, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Washington Bogart Cooper

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Cooper's photo

Which Cooper are you referring to?Gilliam (talk) 05:21, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

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Wm. Giles Harding

I'm guessing no, because this portrait was painted in 1980. Generally any photograph or painting produced before the 1920s is now in the public domain.- Gilliam (talk) 01:33, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Done. BTW, I took the tour at Belle Meade a couple of years ago. It was very impressive. What a coincidence.- Gilliam (talk) 01:58, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Well I live in Newport, KY (Greater Cincinnati area). It's about a 4 hour drive to Nashville.- Gilliam (talk) 07:31, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Question

Why did you tag Centre for Independent Studies as part of WikiProject Conservatism? Viriditas (talk) 20:16, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

It's both libertarian and conservative...I use conservatism broadly, and that encompasses the promotion of free market economics for example.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:38, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

OK. Can you give me an example? Is this organization considered "conservative"? Viriditas (talk) 23:06, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

It's a free market think tank. It's part of a wider network that gets funding to produce conservative and/or libertarian-leaning research like the Mont Pelerin Society.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:12, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

We have similar organizations in the United States. IMO, however, they aren't really "conservative", but rather corporatocratic. That is to say, these so-called "think tanks" are really PR orgs for corporations, who use the media to promote their corporatocratic viewpoints. At the end of the day, these people do not represent conservative values in any sense of the term. Viriditas (talk) 23:18, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Conservatism is a very loosely defined terms as scholarship has shown. This conversation is absolutely pointless.Zigzig20s (talk) 00:31, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

No, actually it is not. What is "loosely defined" is regional and political variations of the term. For example, in Australia, conservatives are known as "liberals". That's quite different than the states. Viriditas (talk) 01:16, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Felix Robertson

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Willoughby Williams, Jr.

I added Williams' engraving, but didn't find any more information about him on the web.- Gilliam (talk) 22:56, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

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Re: Beverly Hills Women's Club

While I do not remember this particular article, a quick check of the deletion log shows it was an aged out Wikipedia:Proposed deletion. Looking at the deleted text shows that the deleted article also had copyright/plagiarism problems. Creating a new article on this subject should not be a problem as long as you can locate appropriate sources. --Allen3 ^talk 19:55, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

J. Lindsay Embrey

Let me get it a little later. Got a few things to do first.- Gilliam (talk) 17:17, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't appear that these images are in the public domain. Generally, any image older than the early '20s is fine.- Gilliam (talk) 04:23, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

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Ugh, this is odd... The above is an automated message generated by Page Curation. I apparently marked the page as unreviewed by accident. I've restored it to the reviewed state, hope that's fine. Sorry for the inconvenience. GregorB (talk) 22:49, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, there's a process of reviewing new Wikipedia articles. This means that editors check new articles for vandalism and other obvious unencylopedic content. If the article is OK - like yours was - it is marked as reviewed, so that other editors know it has been checked. I apparently failed to notice that your article was already reviewed, so my action had the opposite effect of marking it as unreviewed. This would not have been harmful: either an other editor would have checked it and marked it as reviewed, or it would have been left unreviewed, which is also OK since reviews are not mandatory.

See Wikipedia:Page Curation/Help for more details. I'm not exactly up to speed with the process because I rarely take part. GregorB (talk) 23:11, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

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I just included the NRHP Nomination form under "further reading" in Friendfield Plantation. Ultimately it will likely be the main source for much of the info in the article (I only viewed it very quickly, but it looks to be about 30 pages, and has been reviewed and approved by the NRHP). If my quick reading is correct, the plantation was originally a single plantation, divided later into 5 or so parts, and then was reunited into one plantation. I'll check on the article again tomorrow when I'll have more time. In the meantime - go for it - there should be lots of info on this. Try SCDAH, http://friendfieldplantation.com/ , http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-obama-slavery-01-dec01,0,485324.story , http://south-carolina-plantations.com/georgetown/friendfield-sampit-river.html

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Adelaide Mansions

Thanks for starting this. I'll help expand, as I have a number of relevant sources. At some point I will also be starting an article for Adelaide Crescent, the main part of the architectural set-piece, at whose southeastern corner the Mansions are situated. Progress so far is in my sandbox here. Cheers, Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 07:49, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Cool. It's not mentioned in as many of my books as expected, but I've dug up a fair amount. Will expand Architecture a little more tomorrow. I found confirmation that it was named after Adelaide of Saxe-Meiningen. The old Gothic House is indeed a very interesting building, although unfortunately it's in terrible structural and decorative condition at the moment; for many years it was used as a department store, initially Plummer & Roddis and later Debenhams, but when they moved into the new Churchill Square shopping centre it was split up into smaller retail units. Now it consists of a closed-down restaurant/bar and a closed-down branch of Blockbuster Video! I'll see what I have on it in my books. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 22:25, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

I've made a start on Adelaide Crescent; have been putting it off for a couple of years in a sandbox, so it's a good opportunity! Work will probably take 3 or 4 days, as I have a lot of material. I don't think I can dig up much on Codrington House; one thing to look out for, though, is that B&H Council will shortly release its updated list of locally listed buildings. If it happens to have been included, it might justify an article. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 13:03, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi. On notable residents of Adelaide Mansions, sadly there was nothing in either of the sources that normally give such info—Life in Brighton and The Encyclopaedia of Hove and Portslade. Neither were there, apparently, any famous guests when the eastern half of the building was the Lawns Hotel. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 11:29, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Quickly looking through my books, there's definitely enough for a smallish article on the Gothic House. I'll pick this up in the next day or two. Unfortunately biography articles have never been my strong point, so I wouldn't be confident about starting any for the people mentioned in Adelaide Crescent; I may be able to fill in additional details when they are started, though. On George Worms: I will need to re-check my book tomorrow, because it was not very clear. Look out for another message tomorrow. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 22:25, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

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Gothic House and George, 2nd Baron de Worms

Hi again. Part of the quote from my source is as follows: "The son of the 1st Baron de Worms, Solomon Benedict (1801–1882) and his grandmother was a member of the famous Rothschild family. His mother was the eldest daughter of S.M. Samuel and he was born in 1829." (Middleton 2002 v15 p139) So that confirms it is him. Hope that helps. I have done the research for Gothic House and should be able to write it tomorrow evening, all being well. Quite a bit of info in several books, pleasingly. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 21:03, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

I suspect the source is wrong; or rather, she confuses the 2nd and 3rd Barons. The quote is "By 1881 the house was home to George, Baron de Worms and he was still there in 1913." (then a sentence about the Rothschild connection and being a JP). I reckon it was the 2nd baron who was there in 1881, but his son (Percy George) in 1913. Difficult to prove without further info though. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 22:11, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, yes, Anthony is also possible (probably more likely, actually): I didn't see him here, but wasn't looking closely enough. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 22:28, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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Adelaide Crescent

Thanks for doing that – it looks better. I'll add the extra refs tomorrow sometime. Well done on finding some notable residents for Adelaide Mansions as well! I'll have a look through my books to see if I can dig up anything else to do with Rothschild connections to Brighton and Hove. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 21:38, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Flora Sassoon etc.

That's the right one, but her birth and death dates are actually 1859 and 1936. (The source) and The Encyclopaedia of Hove and Portslade agree on these dates; I think you've put the other dates in by mistake in the article.) There's quite a bit in the Enc of H&P about her activities in Hove, so I'll try to add stuff in the next few days. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 20:41, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Also, on Providence Chapel Brighton, I can't come up with much more than what you found. Although the congregation has a long history, most of it was spent in the now-demolished Providence Chapel on Church Street. As far as I can tell, they (the Baptists) bought the present chapel (i.e. the one on West Hill Road) soon after it was vacated by the Reformed Episcopal Church congregation, after which the old Providence Chapel was demolished. I'm not sure there's enough to justify a standalone article on the building itself, especially as there is already a summary at List of places of worship in Brighton and Hove. I'll keep looking though: I regularly acquire new Brighton and Hove-related sources! Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 20:49, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I checked out William Cavendish when I wrote that bit, but it's definitely none of the ones at the disambiguation page. He was at Adelaide C. in 1861, but beyond that I can find no info in my books. Regarding Middle Street Synagogue, the fact that the family were major donors is covered by The Encyclopaedia of Brighton (current ref [8]), and I will add a ref accordingly, but it doesn't mention Flora specifically. Several of my other books mention the family, some at length, but none say much (if anything) about Flora. Incidentally, your mention of the synagogue reminds me that I ought to upload some of the large number of photos I took of the interior in May, when they held a rare open day as part of the Brighton Festival. I'm sure I got pics of the stained glass windows donated by the Sassoons, for example. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 22:01, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

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Edward Habershon (architect)

Hi. I see you have an article about Edward Habershon in your sandbox. Would you consider creating the page now?Zigzig20s (talk) 16:46, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt. Goodness, did I leave that hanging since 2011?

I've had a quick glance through it and it seems OK, it has notability and seems to be sufficiently Wikified, so I guess I could throw it to the dogs (so to speak) now. Sorry about the delay. You should know that my usual sandbox technique is to start with External Links, then work through them as a source, gradually deleting the ones which have become references. Because there are still some remaining external links, I guess there is still more source material which could be transferred to the article - I'm saying this in case you want to do more work on it after I've published it. I usually complete the header para last, when I have full information - and you'll see that I never got around to filling that out completely.

I'll publish it today if I have time. I'll probably give it the title "Matthew Edward Habershon" (in case another Ed Habershon turns up in a title) but I'll redirect Edward Habershon to that page. I think that's everything - let me know if there are further issues as I'll be publishing hastily and there might be untidy bits. Enjoy! --Storye book (talk) 08:02, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi again. I am interested in him because he designed a church close to where I live: St John the Baptist's Church, Hove. Would you please consider creating a page for his brother William, and possibly another one for his father, who was an architect too as I recall? Btw I don't think the middle name is necessary. If someone else has the same name, a disambiguation page could be created.Zigzig20s (talk) 08:07, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I've now expanded the header a little, and should be able to publish shortly. Matthew is his first name, so a bit more necessary than if it were a middle name. A disambig page would not permit a number of articles all called Edward Habershon, so the title would then have to be changed to either the full name or e.g. Edward Habershon (architect). I could use that title. As for the extra articles that you suggest, I could only do that if they could be counted as notable - otherwise they would be immediately listed for merging back into the Ed Habershon page. I'd suggest that if you want the extra articles, you could expand the Ed Habershon article with extra subheadings for the dad and bro, and if there's enough there including notability and refs, we can then consider transferring those sections to new articles. Would you be happy with that? --Storye book (talk) 08:21, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

I suppose it depends on which other buildings they designed. I suggest you add red links for the father and brother. Meanwhile, it would be wonderful if you could expand Gilbert Blount's page--are you interested? I am stuck with the Sassoons right now, but very interested in the architecture and notable residents of Brighton & Hove--mostly Hove, actually.Zigzig20s (talk) 08:27, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes I could do red links but they often get edited out by tidy-uppers (fair enough, I guess) and that's why I tend to avoid them. But I'll put them in and see what happens. I'd like to expand G. Blount's page - I like this. --Storye book (talk) 08:36, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

I know. I wonder if Fr Ray would let us take pictures inside the church. Do you live in the neighbourhood?Zigzig20s (talk) 08:38, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I live in the north of England, but I come from the south, hence my interest in these places and buildings. Good luck with the pix. --Storye book (talk) 08:53, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Done (I've linked the above title). Let me know if there are any probs. I see that his father Matthew does in fact have his own article, so I linked it.--Storye book (talk) 09:21, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Update: As far as I can see I've now tied up my loose ends (discussion page project banners, what links here), so over to you. I'll leave it alone now unless any errors/omissions come to light. I have no plans at present to enter it for the Did You Know page, so you're welcome to do that if you want. Enjoy. --Storye book (talk) 10:12, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for offer of pix. All church pix are useful at Wiki Commons for the family history researchers in other countries expecially - they're always looking for them. --Storye book (talk) 10:37, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

You ask what sort of church pictures I'm referring to, I think? For example, there are many people with British ancestors, who are now living elsewhere in the world (especially US, Canada and Australia), and they are researching their family history. They usually have no photographs of their ancestors, and they may not be able to visit the Old Country, but they can search for photographs of their ancestors' home towns and the churches where their bmd's (baptisms, marriages and funerals) took place. That is one of the main reasons why people from all over the world are always searching online for images of UK churches. So the more we upload images of UK churches to Wiki Commons, the more we are helping these people get a better sense of their own history. I have noticed that many of them enjoy seeing images of the interiors of the churches, perhaps because it gives an idea of something which their ancestors experienced. Some of these family history researchers can be a valuable asset to Wikipedia, as they often discover extra local history knowledge which they can contribute to articles about UK towns and villages. I hope that helps? --Storye book (talk) 12:23, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

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Hi again. I wasn't on WP over the weekend so I have a few bits to pick up this week: Providence Chapel, the Flora Sassoons, Leah Barnato etc. I'll post replies to your points/questions here over the next few days, all being well. Re. St Mary Magdalen's Church: I'll see if I can do anything re. the interior. I live in Hove and actually attend another of the Catholic churches here (Church of the Sacred Heart, Hove), so I might speak to our priest to see if he can put me in touch with Fr Ray, if I can't contact him directly. That will be one to put on the slate for "some point in the future". Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 12:21, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether we're open all day or just at Mass times, but there is a daily Mass. I'll check next week if I remember. We had a professional photographer in a few months ago taking pix for our redesigned website, but it hasn't gone live yet. (The "History" tab on the current website redirects to the Wikipedia article, which I wrote years ago – LOL.) Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 12:38, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Other WP and real-life stuff has got in the way this week, but from Sunday I should have time to go back to these points; I've got them all written on a Post-it note next to the computer! Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 22:18, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

OK, picking up on some of these points. First on Providence Chapel @ West Hill Road: it is affiliated with the Baptist group called Strict Baptists, whose chapels (in my experience) are never publicised or advertised, either online or by other means. In my Wikipedia work over the last few years I have done quite a lot of research into Strict Baptist chapels, as Sussex has historically been a major centre for them; in fact the Gospel Standard Baptist Library, which contains the world's largest collection of material on Strict Baptist churches and polity, is right here in Hove. Moving on to St John the Baptist's Church, Hove: quite a large portion of the interior has been given over to the Cornerstone Community Centre, which seems to be open most days. As far as the remaining part of the church is concerned, according to A Church Near You "Between April and October the Church is open to visitors on Wednesdays between 9am & 5pm". I haven't been in yet, but I have a lot more photos of the exterior to upload from earlier this year. I'm going to look for info now re. your Flora Sassoon and Leah Barnato questions. Cheers, Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 19:01, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

I think you're right on Barney Barnato's wife—my source doesn't actually name her, so I have taken "Leah" out of the Adelaide Crescent article and left her nameless. Think she was Fanny, as your sources suggest. I've referenced Flora Sassoon's donations to St Ann's Well Gardens in both articles. I think you're right about there being two Floras as well, and it may well be that the "other" (earlier) one is the one who lived @ Adelaide Crescent. My source doesn't mention anything about her location after 1913. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 19:16, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Middle St Synagogue

Hi – I should get some time this weekend to do this. I am doing some photo work at the moment, so I'll probably move on to the synagogue set when I get up tomorrow. I'll create a category if there isn't one already. Cheers, Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 22:38, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, there'll be another 5 Grade II lists eventually, when I get time to build them: because they are such large and complex tables, I always put together all the code offline and start the list by dumping all the code into the edit window. Then I upload the pics and write the descriptive blurbs. I have nearly all the pics I need for the remaining lists, which will need to be split as N and O, P/Q/R, S, T/U/V and W/Y. (I have already planned this in a spreadsheet: it needed to be worked out carefully from the beginning to get a fairly even split!) The pic uploading will take a long time, but I'll find the time at some point. Medina Terrace is a good call; there's a very interesting story attached to one of the houses. Montpelier Hall might work, because I have quite a bit of Montpelier-related material apart from the usual sources. There are certainly a lot of other Grade II buildings in B&H that could justify articles; it's just a case of identifying them and finding the right sources. As I say, I have photos of almost every listed building in the city, and in many cases several photos from different dates over the last 5 years or so. Lots of uploading work to do! Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 23:16, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Ah, the Norfolk Hotel (it's been a few different things over the years; in fact it was still owned by Ramada Jarvis last time I looked! LOL). Could be enough for a short article; the Encyclopaedia of Brighton covers it, and I suspect some of the other books will. I'll take a look. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 14:09, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

If I remember rightly (from what I've read), before the Thistle was built there was another lane (Market Street?) which ran all the way through to the seafront along the side of the Town Hall, from Prince Albert Street (roughly where the Café Rouge is now). An old market was there, but it had been derelict and disused since the 1960s I think. It's thought that St Bartholomew's Chapel, a very ancient chapel (probably associated with Lewes Priory) which is thought to have stood somewhere in Brighton but which was lost hundreds of years ago, stood in the vicinity. I've been planning to expand the Metropole for ages but have never got round to it; I have a big set of notes I wrote from a book about it by that excellent local historian Judy Middleton. (It's in Hove reference library.) I'm hoping we don't get a power cut with all this wind! It's been non-stop since last night. I've just seen the lids on the bins-on-wheels behind our flats have been blown right open. There are some very tall trees at the back of the garden area as well...!! Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 14:38, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

The building near the lagoon must be Kings House ... a building with an interesting history. From hotel to electricity company HQ to council offices, and with an undecided future. I'll definitely be writing an article about this, as I know I have plenty of material on it. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 16:33, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh yes, Medina Terrace; definitely one of many worthwhile buildings along the seafront. I've dug up some decent info on the Norfolk Hotel, so I'll probably do that next after I finish Marine Gate. (Have some more pics of that to upload as well, taken from the high ground behind it.) Marine Gate certainly divides opinion, although perhaps not as much as Embassy Court. I don't think it's too bad, but as far as I'm aware this Maurice Bloom chap never designed anything else; to be honest I'm sceptical about how much influence he actually had in the design, and how much was down to Wimperis Simpson and Guthrie (whose career doesn't seem to have produced a great deal either). Bloom was mainly involved in financing and promoting the development, it seems. Yes, there's a lot of interest on Western Road; it was widened on the north side in the 1930s, hence the sequence of impressive buildings on that side (at the time, it was reportedly the most important single shopping street in southeast England outside London!). The HSBC branch is a rare example of a stone building in the city; I think a guy called T.B. Whinney designed it. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 17:52, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

The only notable one I've found at Marine Gate is Claudette Mawby of The Mawby Triplets, who bizarrely was also the only resident who died during the numerous bomb, machine gun etc. attacks during WWII. I've exhausted my "to-hand" source material now, but more info could turn up in the future as I dig through more sources! Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 20:29, 27 October 2013 (UTC)