User talk:Unbroken Chain/Archive 5

Some ideas

I know I saw you early on with some of these vandalism patrolling edits, and we've seen each other since. I think this issue is a problem, and probably should have been done at ANI rather than where it was. I hope this doesn't discourage you, because i think you're a great editor in the long run. Shadowjams (talk) 08:52, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

No worries. I've got a bit of a temper. I still strongly disagree with what happened but it's over and done with no use rehashing it out. Thanks for the note though. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 08:54, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I like your style. Shadowjams (talk) 09:09, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Your question

Generally speaking, longer than it should. I was hoping that my comment would initiate some discussion from other arbs, which it appears not to have done. I'll try to kick-start things on the mailing list, and will cement my own view early next week. Steve Smith (talk) 06:24, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

JW Blood doctrine

Regarding this edit, your reversion does not accurately reflect the JW policy. Regardless of what is in the document you linked to (see WP:TLDR), the cited source (United in Worship of the Only True God, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1983, pages 159) states that "When faced with a life-or-death situation ... we do not desperately try to keep ourselves or our loved ones alive for a few more days or years by violating God’s law, as if this life were everything. ... With our whole heart we believe that faithful servants of God—even those who die—will be rewarded with eternal life." There is nothing in the JW policy about rejecting blood transfusions because they 'don't work' or because there are 'alternatives'. The policy is that JWs reject blood transfusions for doctrinal reasons.--Jeffro77 (talk) 16:09, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Se3e when you don't take time to read the source you can't say whats not in it. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 16:57, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

As always its amusing to point that the tldr says "This essay contains the advice or opinions of one or more Wikipedia contributors. Essays may represent widespread norms or minority viewpoints. Consider these views with discretion." Hell In A Bucket (talk) 17:03, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

This is of course irrelevant, because the wording I restored is supported by the cited source.--Jeffro77 (talk) 00:51, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Rereading a day later, I think you are correct. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 04:48, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

FYI

You had previously participated in an Admin recall petition for Herostratus, at the user's talk page. This process has now started. It is ongoing as an RFA page, for admin recall, at: Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Herostratus 2. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 20:22, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Your amendment request

I've gone ahead and proposed a motion; it's anyone's guess whether it will attract enough votes to be dispensed with by June 29, but I suppose we could retroactively un-topic-ban you. Steve Smith (talk) 14:46, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you steve. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 14:54, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Re: Recall RFA

Though this is a somewhat late reply, thank you for the barnstar. :) Ncmvocalist (talk) 07:02, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Missing In Action (band)

Hello Hell in a Bucket. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Missing In Action (band), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 03:07, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

According to the article and its one reliable source, the band is representing Israel in an international competition. Try WP:PROD or WP:AfD instead. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 03:11, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Successful lobby

Hi H in a B: I am happy to see the lifting of restrictions upon ‘advocacy for or commenting on Brews ohare, broadly construed’. It is coupled with the comments about “caution against backsliding” by Sir Fozzie, “repeat of the prior behavior will not be acceptable” by Risker and “further attempts at filibustering will be met with a proportional response” by Coren. That is hardly a "welcome back" of the prodigal son, but I guess it means blocking actions now have to be justified. That's something. Brews ohare (talk) 04:00, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

One would hope. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 04:44, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

National patient transport

Claims of notability do not negate the spammy nature of the article and are not enough to prevent a speedy if deemed promotional enough by an admin. I hope you don't make a habit of removing DB tags simply because some claim of notability is made. 69.181.249.92 (talk) 06:10, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

read the section above this on why the csd was declined....Hell In A Bucket (talk) 06:19, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

What do Recent Changes have to do with this? 69.181.249.92 (talk) 16:59, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Stupid archiver, it was actually a deletion review that was denied because it had claimed notability and had one reliable source in the admin's opinion. See the latest archive Missing in Action (band) Hell In A Bucket (talk) 17:11, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Ok, So i removed your prod too. It was incorrect this article is sourced. This is a issue that a AFD would be ideal. I myself would agree that it might be deletable however it will pass both prod and csd right now. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 17:13, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

thanks

just to thank you for the simple encouraging message you sent me. I have to admit that I was often thinking to give up editing the english version of wikipedia since people just undo my edits without justification that I really understand.

I'll try to create a few articles as soon as I get time for this, but I'm far from an expert about SMART.Bikepunk2 (talk) 22:55, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

red

About a year ago, I was involved in a very educational discussion about red links. Basically, don't have too many but some are ok. Some don't like any. In any case, cooperation and good manners should be observed by all. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 17:26, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

annotation: The comment about cooperation and good manners is a general reminder to all who are in a potential dispute. This is good practice much the same as thorough wiping after defecation or rinsing one's mouth after teeth brushing. It is not an admonishment against any particular person. This clarification was made by request. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 17:19, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

I am well aware of the benefits of being polite. I've been extremely polite throughout this entre discussion[[1]]. I'd be interested in how I've not been collegial in this situation. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 17:34, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

The point in this is that the links and additions being removed are not excessive in the least. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 17:35, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Huh? You wrote in ANI that "This user has been previously blocked for Wikipedia:Tenditious which including removing redlinks." Yet you just said that links being removed are not excessive. Seems like a contradiction. If not, then make it clear in ANI. The fact that it is in ANI escalates things. If you want me to help resolve things, let me know. Otherwise, good luck and goodbye. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 17:40, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Any help would be great. I'm sorry if it isn't quite clear but teh issues is that the redlinks ar enot excessive and they are being removed anyways with the content they are presenting as well. Th4e problem when you point this oput you get met with first that a essay is official policy then second that we are personally attacking the editor by voicing concerns over his edits. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 17:44, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

sorry

Sorry for the confusion that my comment may have caused or any grief that you suffered. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 17:19, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

It's not a problem I understand what you meant in a general context I just needed clarification to show for the issue. Thank you. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 17:26, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Arbitration motion regarding Speed of light

Following a motion at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Amendment:

Amendment 4 to Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Speed of light ("Brews ohare advocacy restrictions") expired with remedy 4.2 of the same case ("Brews ohare topic banned"), as amended by amendment 3 ("Brews ohare").

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, ~ Amory (u • t • c) 20:01, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Discuss this

User:Hm2k/Hell In A Bucket

Might want to keep an eye on this, seeing as it's in your honour. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 15:04, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm impressed and amused. Nothing in that is even close to be out of policy and is standard comments when a editor is editing disruptively. More power to him. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 16:03, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Question.

I have completely forgot how to format a table. SPecifically for a albums track listing. Thanks in advance. As a secondary note I've had a recent changes subsection that shows new pages and recent changes but is changing my page names to something else. How can I have my cake and eat it too? Hell In A Bucket (talk) 04:51, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

My best advice is similar in many regards on how to. Consider looking at a similar article for ideas and examples. You can copy-paste their working example, change the relevant information, and have it work for your application as it did in the example you borrowed it from. I hope this might help and if you need more assistance, freely ask again. My76Strat (talk) 05:43, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Rodhullandemu

I think it's best to let sleeping dogs lie now. He made a bad mistake, but he's not prepared to hold his hand up to it. If he does anything like that again, then's the time to consider what action needs to be taken against him. Hopefully though he'll come to his senses, and that won't be necessary. Malleus Fatuorum 18:21, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

we are in agreement. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 18:46, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Original Research, what page on Wikipedia?

J- Do you know what page states that you can't use original research on Wikipedia? Thanks. Natural (talk) 21:06, 13 July 2010 (UTC)Natural

WP:NOR Hell In A Bucket (talk) 22:26, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

ThanksNatural (talk) 02:19, 14 July 2010 (UTC)Natural

Speedy deletion declined: Frank Fellows Gray

Hello Hell in a Bucket. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Frank Fellows Gray, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Other site says its text was "provided by Wikipedia". Thank you. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 03:59, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Best wishes dude

Hey, get well soon amigo. I am not much into praying but I will send my astral traveling health expert to work his magic on you. Very best wishes to you. Off2riorob (talk) 22:51, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Flowers for Jake, get well soon amigo.

Get well soon

Wishing you the best

My best wishes for a speedy recovery. Take care. Dr.K. ^{λogosπraxis} 00:12, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the lovely flowers

I am currently working one handed. I spiral fractured my finger on the fourth part of my finger amd now have a cast almost up to my elbow. freaking insane. I will do limited csd and vandal work that won't require typing. Thanks for the well wishes Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:42, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Glad to hear you are on the mend. Take it easy for now and if you need anything just let me know. Don't bother replying to me :) Take care and all the best. Dr.K. ^{λogosπraxis} 14:35, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you, for your comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daryl Wine Bar and Restaurant. You are indeed correct, simply the fact that there is not an abundance of negative things to say about a subject, does not mean it should be prevented from having positive things about it, in a Wikipedia article. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 16:25, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

re DYK Help

For starters, I would suggest try searching in database archives like Newsbank, etc. -- Cirt (talk) 17:18, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Starfleet Commander

Why is Farmville allowed to have a page with out trouble but the more popular game Starfleet Commander not allowed?--Philyboy2012 (talk) 17:32, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Try adding third party references, as is it appears to be non notable. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 17:42, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

• Ok il do that--Philyboy2012 (talk) 17:58, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Clarification request

Please see my request for clarification, [2], concerning the question you raised on my talk page.  Sandstein  07:02, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Speed of light clarification

Hi there I just wanted to let you know that the Speed of Light clarification has been merged with Wikipedia:A/R/A#Request to amend prior case: Speed of light. NW (Talk) 23:48, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Arbitration motion regarding Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Speed of light

Resolved by motion at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Amendment:

Brews ohare (talk · contribs) is topic banned from all physics-related pages, topics and discussions, broadly construed, for twelve months.

For the Arbitration Committee, NW (Talk) 16:16, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Discuss this

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Dr. QUAN-FANG WANG

I left you a question there, if you have a moment to stop by. TNXMan 18:11, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Notification of Arbitration Ammendment request to re-advocacy-ban you

I have filed a request to ammend the Speed of light arbitration case to reimpose the advocacy ban on you and other users. See: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Amendment#Request_to_amend_prior_case:_Speed_of_light

Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 05:44, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Bot revert?

Any particular reason you reverted the archiving bot at the Edit warring noticeboard? --Spike Wilbury (talk) 15:06, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Wow, not at all. My apoligies, had I noticed I would've self reverted. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 16:40, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

No problem. I just asked because sometimes I don't see obvious things until I've had my three cups of coffee. :) --Spike Wilbury (talk) 17:12, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Balance in Editing

J... I agree with your comment about balance in editing and appreciate your mediation. The main JW page is more balanced now. I'm not too unhappy with it, but still have to read it all the way through again. The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses page needs attention, and the Criticisms of Jehovah's Witnesses page also. But the main page isn't too bad. Anyway, thanks for your mediation and comments. Natural (talk) 12:50, 25 September 2010 (UTC)Natural

No problem Natural. I'm not always a good mediator as often my temper gets the best of me but I try. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:49, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you!

		The Resilient Barnstar
		Thank you for your efforts to get me unblocked. Count Iblis (talk) 14:45, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

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An excellant reference.for Bilderberg and NWO

I think even just this preview is enough to close arguments here. It should be made clear this is conspiracy and not "known" fact. [[3]] Hell In A Bucket 21:34, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks HIAB. However, in Wikipedia, thes best is to always have second-party or third-party sources (mainstream scholars and journalists) to close an argument because without them we have no way of proving (according to Wikipedia standards) that this YouTube video is notable and representative of what conspiracy theorists believe in general. The editors I am struggling are or were taking this to standard to an extreme in order to prevent the article from unintentionally becoming a vehicle for the promotion of fringe views. --Loremaster (talk) 21:49, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Alex Jones (radio host) is definitely mainstream on regular am/fm anyways.Hell In A Bucket (talk) 21:54, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps but he isn't considered a reliable source according to the mainstream media or Wikipedia standards. --Loremaster (talk) 22:04, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

ANy one who wouldn't consider what he says as notable obivously doesn't think being broadcast on 60 Radio stations is notable but if that isn't enough to show here under a conspiracy theory people are being obtuse. Again I'm not saying present it as fact only that it is alleged. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 22:21, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Request comments

I request your comments about the notability of Religious typification section on Jehovah's Witness talk page. Thank you--Logical Thinker:talk 14:17, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

NoticeBoards/Incident

i wish you'de tell me which one it was instead of letting me scroll down and read the whole page looking for it - ([[User talk:MJfan9#top|Hi! why dont you sit down for a minute and talk?]]) (talk) 15:21, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

ive just notice where it was so no need to link me to it heres your Reply: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Retired_Trolling thanks in advance. ([[User talk:MJfan9#top|Hi! why dont you sit down for a minute and talk?]]) (talk) 15:33, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

User talk:Headbomb

Hi there Hell in a Bucket. I saw your comment at Headbomb's talk page, and just though I would drop by to remind you of WP:CIVIL. Now I don't pretend to be well versed in this particular incident, but no matter what the case, your comment clearly steps over the line of civility. Because Wikipedia operates through consensus, it's important that we respect each other's views, even if they aren't perfectly aligned with our own. Otherwise we'd never get anywhere collaboratively. Similarly we should in most cases assume good faith, that everybody is doing what they personally feel is best for the project. - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 15:04, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Trust I'm well aware of where this comment lies, however good faith is only extended up to a point and Headbomb has crossed it. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:19, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

If you want to be pedantic about being AGF, try parsing Headbomb's comments in his site-ban action. There he states "Brews made physics/relativity edits on a mathematics article, which is complete bollocks.", which is entirely contrary to the outcome of the case he brought earlier, as he is well aware. I made no attempt to intrude physics into a math article, despite Headbomb's insistence, and Blackburne, EdJohnston and others have agreed with me on that point. I guess we can still assume good faith if we also assume Headbomb doesn't read, or that he absorbs only what suits himself. Brews ohare (talk) 15:40, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict)... and the correct response to someone we believe to be acting in bad faith is to go to their talk page and be rude and abusive to them? I doubt that Headbomb was acting in bad faith, but it's really not relevant, your comments were out of line - purposely so, as you note here. That the other user is "wrong" (even if true, and whatever their motivations) is no justification. So the correct thing to do would be apologise to them, and find a better method of disputing other's users' opinions than attacking the user.</ec> Brews, you know every time I've brought up a civility issue with another user recently, the response has been ~"oh, but look at what this user said". You can't all keep using other users' inappropriate actions to justify your own. Somewhere it has to stop, with one of you being the "bigger man", and having the maturity to simply admit that something they did was wrong. - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 15:52, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Kingpin: You haven't absorbed my comment, which points out Headbomb has made statements at variance with known facts to achieve his points. This isn't about civility, its about AGF: where is Headbomb's admission that he has prevaricated? Failing that admission one can maintain a view that he acts in good faith only if one also believes that he is unable to notice any information which might disturb his beliefs, eh what? Brews ohare (talk) 16:03, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

AGF and CIVIL are closely related. Anyway, "even if bad faith is evident, do not act uncivilly yourself in return, attack others, or lose your cool over it". As I've said, Headbomb's actions are irrelevant to Hell in a Bucket's uncivil comment. You simply can't justify lashing out like that with ~"they didn't assume good faith to me, I won't to them". An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 16:10, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Well nothing I've said was actually uncivil. I congratulated him on a successful smear campaign. Give credit where it's due. The only thing it does is assume the self evident bad faith in which he was acting. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 20:36, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't think either of us need to play games pretending that your comments weren't uncivil, or pretend that they were sincerely congratulating Headbomb for his efforts. Consider this a warning to cease your incivility (which I note has been an issue for you in the past) and drop your battleground mentality. - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 22:05, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Then you didn't read what I was blocked for in the past.....This is nowhere near that level. Maybe you should look into it without assuming things. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 01:17, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Ummm... what did I say about blocking? Don't worry, I have no intention of blocking you for this, I agree it's not nearly serious enough to justify that. - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 08:58, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Hell In A Bucket, complaining about Headbomb although imho justified, usually backfires badly. For an example of this see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_67#Falsely_named Now it will be impossible to discuss the topic of transparent backgrounds in images. 2.97.23.244 (talk) 18:22, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Harvest Tradings (AOP)

Dear, the reason to creation the article not to promote but tell the society of their achivments. i must say improve accordingly rather to delete in a startight away. i have read this company in different news papers.AAJPAK (talk) 21:30, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Mariah Carey article

ACTUALLY, I was trying to give proof to the rumor that Mariah and Nick ARE having twins, not discussing it. My section on the Talk page shouldn't have been removed. :( --Freespirit1981 (talk) 16:14, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

You are being discussed at ANI

• For your warning to a user. Regards. Wifione _....... ^{Leave a message} 15:26, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Actually, I was discussion what I should do from your warning, not that you were doing anything wrong but what I should to do fix it, if anything.--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:14, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

You're ok, I understand. The thing is when at ANI it's part of the process that you have to go to the editor invovled and notify them. In this case a simple miscommunication and a reminder. Cheers Happy editing. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 18:17, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Consider AFD

Hello hell in a bucket - when you get a chance can you please review https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Roger_Williams_%28hepatologist%29 for AFD as it appears to be just vanispamcruftisement. Thanks for your opinion. Catmanhoe22 (talk) 03:31, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

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Joseph Arridy

Hey, if you only want to restore a maintenance template, then please don't revert all the other fixes along with it. Regards Hekerui (talk) 00:13, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

you know what you're absolutely right! I'm sorry I was only putting the underconstruction because I intend to write a bit more and didn't want any noms for deletion. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 00:56, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Prem Bajpai

Hi! I noticed you tagged the article for notability reasons in August. Would you mind nominating it for deletion? The reason I ask, is that OTRS received a number of images for it quite a while ago, and I'd like to process the submission. If the page is deleted, there's no reason to accept them. If it's kept, I'll add the images. Asav (talk) 22:32, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I nomed as a copyvio under csd g12. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 01:22, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

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US National Archives collaboration

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Certified in Risk and Information Systems Control

I disagree with your assesment in denting the csd. Look at the two sources, they are both ISACA the company that coincidently advertise their product. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 22:05, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the note. I was not comfortable speedily deleting the article, but I see that you have nominated it for AFD. That is fine with me. Regards, causa sui (talk) 22:08, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the feedback in my talk page, and apologies for the late response; your points make sense to me. What I don't agree is that the article has to be deleted rather than maintained with appropriate "improve" tags; this would allow other contributors to improve it, after all that is one of the strengths of Wikipedia. And is an approach I've seen in other "knowledge areas" (eg: Military History), which leads me to think that policy/guideline enforcement is not consistant across Wikipedia.
Kind regards, DPdH (talk) 07:21, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

AfD withdrawal

Hello. I deleted the AfD nomination as you requested, but I have a couple of tips for you if you wish to withdraw a nom in the future. First, please wrap the speedy tag in <noinclude>...</noinclude>, otherwise every page where the nomination is transcluded ends up in the csd category. Second, please don't forget to remove the listing from the day's AfD log. Thanks! —DoRD (talk) 18:54, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

July 2011 Newsletter for WikiProject United States

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Suggestion for WikiProject United States to support WikiProject Colorado

It was recently suggested that WikiProject Colorado, to which you are a member, may be inactive or semi-active and it might be beneficial to include it in the list of projects supported by WikiProject United States. After reviewing the project it appears that there haven't been much active discussion on the talk page in some time and the only content updates appear to be simple maintenance so being supported by a larger project might be beneficial. I have begun a discussion on the projects talk page to see how the members of the project feel about this suggestion. Another user has added the project to the WPUS template and I added it to the list of supported projects in the WPUS main project page but before I take any further action I wanted to contact each of the active members for their input. --Kumioko (talk) 23:33, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

September 2011 Newsletter for WikiProject United States

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New article - Joe Browder

I wrote an article Joe Browder - environmentally oriented. It seems like it would be up your alley, if you would want to take a look at it and edit or contribute to it. Thanks Natural (talk) 13:59, 22 October 2011 (UTC)Natural

Joe Browder page

Thanks for looking at the Joe Browder page. I added authoritative references at your suggestion, along with material. The page needs to be refined, edited, for clarity of thought, logical development and chronology. Thanks again. Natural (talk) 02:05, 31 October 2011 (UTC)Natural

Friends of the Everglades page

This was a second new page if you wanted to review it also. In any case, thanks. Friends of the Everglades - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Naturalpsychology/Friends_of_the_everglades#Request_review_at_WP:AFC

Question, this article Friends of the everglades was accepted as a Starter article, but the title is Friends of the everglades, because it is an organization and it it Friends of the Everglades, how do you change the title correctly?? Thanks. Natural (talk) 12:36, 1 November 2011 (UTC)Natural

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January 2012 Newsletter for WikiProject United States and supported projects

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W. John Walsh

I note that you initiated an AfD on this individual's article some time ago that was closed as no consensus and I wanted to suggest that you revisit it, perhaps for another AfD. The gentleman's "book" is a self-published retelling of his thesis; the website by which he "came to prominence" was apparently his own blog. The thesis itself was with a dodgy university, Wales Lampeter, which was investigated for an inability to maintain academic standards and has a low, low rating of reliability -- he was unable to get a North American university to accept his Ph.D. candidacy. (This information is extracted from his sworn testimony in a current court case in British Columbia.) All things considered, I don't think he meets notability standards. Best of luck whatever you choose to do. (I have relinquished my admin status or else I'd start the AfD myself.) 209.53.143.56 (talk) 18:13, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Dispute resolution survey

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Help asked

Hi Hell in a Bucket. Since you are kind enough to spend all this time for me, and since you are an experienced editor, would you, please, respond to my question about these concrete paragraphs and if there is a problem with them to be included in a wikipedia article?

Ιn September 2011 Ahmad Sa'adat, Secretary General of PFLP and other members of PFLP, (hundreds according to an Amnesty International report ) imprisoned in Israeli jails, begun a hungerstrike,to protest against worsening Israeli prison policies and solitary confinement. The hungerstrike was overshadowed by the deal agreed between Hamas and Israel for the release of over 1,000 Palestinian prisoners in exchange for captured soldier Gilad Shalit. The prisoners' swap deal left out Ahmad Saadat. Saadat and the other PFLP prisoners ended their hungerstrike on 17th of October 2011, the 21st day, after Israeli prison authorities agreed to end the practice of solitary confinement. A promise that was not kept. The 2012 hunger strikes began with Khader Adnan, who launched his hunger strike on December 18, 2011, in protest against ill-treatment he suffered at the hands of the Israeli Prison Service (IPS) upon his arrest and against being held without charge or trial in administrative detention. He ended his hunger strike on its 66th day on 21 February, when an agreement was made with Israeli authorities that he would be released on 17 April and his administrative detention order would not be renewed. At the time, he was the longest Palestinian hunger striker in history.Many other prisoners followed including Hana Shalabi (43 days of hunger strike), Bilal Diab and Thaer Halahleh (77 days of hungerstrike), Omar Abu Shalal (70 days of hunger strike), Mohammad Taj (60 days of hunger strike), Mahmoud Sarsak (92 days of hunger strike) , Akram Rikhawi (102 days of hunger strike), Hassan Safadi (71 days of nunger strike and another 93 days of renewed hungerstrike), Samer Al Barq (30 days of hunger strike and another 123 or 125 days of renewed hungerstrike), Ayman Sharawna (ongoing), Samir Issawi (ongoing)--Hamish2011 (talk) 00:03, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

My first suggestion is get rid of the bold type. Nothing in this should be bold at all my friend. Bold should be for section headings. Now I would again make the suggestion that the hunger strike themselves may be notable the prisoners themselves may not be. I would suggest finding specific sources to draw notability from. In this paticular case and I"m going off the article as I'm not entirely versed with the intricacies there are almost 1500-188 prisoners that were or are on a hunger strike. Does this make them all notable no it truly doesn't. Read the section [[4]] and then look at what you have written. It's a good attempt but the current wording on that article is better, it covers it nuetrally and does acknowledge the concerns that many aid organizations and UN had with the situation. Can you explain how these prisoners are notbale other then just this hunger strike? Hell In A Bucket (talk) 00:17, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

First of all thanks again for your time. As far as it concerns the bold issue, I used it to highlight specific information, for someone who wants to read quickly. But that's not much of an issue. I can quit from it. As far as it concerns the hungerstrikers, I think there is a huge misunderstanding. What is what I am trying to explain. The are two different kind of hungerstrikes of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails in the last year or so (actually 3)

• There are the individual ones. The first one was Khader Adnan, others followed, BEFORE the mass hungerstrike began (see below) and after it was ended. These names are important, in my opinion, not only because they are participating in these hungerstrikes, in this serie of hungerstrikes, but because of the length of their hungerstrike and the achievements they made (at least those ones that are released).And also because most of them were/are administrative detainees supported by Amnesty International.
• Then there is the mass hungerstrike, which began in April 17th 2012 (not in February as it is written in the Hunger Strike. Of course not all these thousands of hungerstrikers are notable. They only made a hungerstrike for 28 days, the achieved many of their demands, but of course nobody asks to write their names.
• There is a third kind, which is a kind of combination of the two other ones, the hungerstrike of Ahmad Sa'adat which was accompanied by prisoners of his party. So it was a case of hungerstrike of an important individual, but it was not mereley an individual case, since he was accompanied by others.

There are also differences in the demands of the 3 type of hungerstrikes. The individual ones, the first case, usually they were demanding their release,as they were administrative detainees and some of them achieved that. The mass hungerstrike was mainly about prison conditions, they didn´t make the hungerstrike to be released! Now the current version [[5]] doesnot address the issue of the individual cases of long-term hungerstrikers. It only mention two of them, without explaining that they continued their own hungerstrike after the mass one was ended and that they were finally released. (actually in this version of mine the issue of which ones were freed and which ones not is not mentioned, and I should add it, since it was supposed to refer to another main article). The current version doesnot adress the issue of how and when all this started. As far as it concerns neutrality, I don´t see any issue. Could you point out which part you think is not neutral?--Hamish2011 (talk) 00:50, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

I think you will have better luck with the appearance of neutrality by removing the bold, I'm still basing my assessment on the overall edit history which I will have to confine just to this paragraph to not confuse you. Have you considered creating a list page for the notable strikers? The only idea I can really suggest trying is a list such as on a article I helped write Union Avenue Historic Commercial District maybe a link by the Palestinian Hunger Strike section, it's the consensus that is the issue here as well remember, right now the consensus is that they don't want a separate list within that particular article but a page that links to the articles about those particular notable prisoners may help. we have lists for everyting with links to it. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 21:01, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Another Talkback

Hello, Unbroken Chain. You have new messages at MaxxFordham's talk page.
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I've been gone for a while but there used to be a really easy way to do a citation in editing process where you could copy and paste you title and web address and it formatted it for you. I can't seem to find that now. Has it been changed, is there a wiki article that can help me out? Hell In A Bucket (talk) 14:50, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Try the "cite" option in the drop-down menu at the top left corner of the editing window. Mdann52 (talk) 15:42, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I tried that but the options just stay grayed out. It lets me select template but nothing falls down or allows me to insert things. I'm using Firefox as a browser do I have ot use Explorer?Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:47, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Re: Abd allh Mmdooh

Thanks for letting me know—missed your edit by two minutes czar · · 05:47, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

NO worries shit happens! Hell In A Bucket (talk) 06:23, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Merging AfD

I saw you commented at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Porodični Paket/Extreme Paket (Specijalni broj). I am closing that AfD to merge it with the group nomination at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Osasuna_VS_Calgary. You may want to amend your comment to clarify if you believe it applies to all the comic articles, or if you intend it to only apply to that one. Gigs (talk) 07:32, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

OSHCR

Thanks for your attention on this, I notice you revoked the Speedy Deletion notice which I am grateful for. Obviously I want that article to be up to standard so any advice or help is more than welcome. Please keep in touch as myself and a colleague are committed to ensuring that this article is of the required quality. RoyalBlueStuey (talk) 13:36, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

== YRC block ==

Ironholds is the admin who made the block. Jehochman just commented in that section.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 17:28, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

And his comment was way out of line.  little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer  18:56, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

I disagree. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 19:18, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Wait, disagree about what?--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 20:18, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Not HiaB's comment. You were spot on.  little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer  22:09, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Hey, I just figured out your screen name. Did you make it to Red Rocks?  little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer  22:11, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Not I said the fly I elected to go to the end of tour for Phish at Dicks Sporting goods, three days of camping hippies and partying! I did however catch the Phil Lesh and Friends show in Broomfield earlier in the year [[6]]! Hell In A Bucket (talk) 22:18, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Ironically though I did start the Furthur article way back when it was only a stub 8) Hell In A Bucket (talk) 22:43, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

You young Phishersnappers!  little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer  23:54, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for the barnstar, your support encouraged me greatly during these turbulent times. Dengero (talk) 03:41, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

No worries everything isn't always what it seems. I hope it ends well for you! Hell In A Bucket (talk) 03:43, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Altered speedy deletion rationale: Juxta Labs

Hello Hell in a Bucket. I am just letting you know that I deleted Juxta Labs, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, under a different criterion from the one you provided, which doesn't fit the page in question. Thank you. GedUK  22:55, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm guessing yo mean the non notable business part? Hell In A Bucket (talk) 22:55, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

(E/c) Sorry, I forgot it did that. I just clarified it was deleted as copyvio, not A7, which I didn't really test it against. GedUK  22:56, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

No worries happy editing Hell In A Bucket (talk) 22:57, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Incivility

Jake,

Please stop the rhetorical questions, orders, and false accusations. Please try to read a bit more of the history of a page before commenting.

Chappy seems like a fine dog.

Kiefer.Wolfowitz 14:49, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't believe I asked any rhetorical questions, I did look at the talkpage of Herostratus and standard policy is when posting Ani there's usually a template that is attached and new section created. In this case that didn't happen and when it was pointed out that there was one I apologized, the second part of that is I don't recall giving orders to anyone and if I had who cares? I'm not a admin I can't block anyone or force them to do something against their will. But the overall content on the ANI board and the person in this incident is more akin to hoped lynchings then to solve problems, and as you see one of the "asshole" administrators has also said that it isn't block worthy and he would oppose. Thank you for your comments about the dog though, she was a rescue dog and is doing great now! Hell In A Bucket (talk) 14:55, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Please review your recent edits. There's no need for diffs.

You asked the insulting rhetorical question, am I capable of understanding that a user is not an administrator.

A nearby edit summary made an order.

You did make a false accusation, which you rightly acknowledged was false, justifying our hopes for your immortal soul.

Cheers, Kiefer.Wolfowitz 15:01, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

That wasn't rhetorical, that was a question as applies to WP:COMPETENCE, what exactly is your axe to grind here? A comment of stop sandbagging is a suggestion as " Sandbagged The act of undermining someone else's opinion subtly, yet in a public area, to make him/her appear foolish. " that's a statement of fact, if you choose to keep doing that it's up to you. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:05, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

You confuse sandbagging with quotation, which in this context suffices. C.f.[7] Kiefer.Wolfowitz 13:37, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Derek McCulloch

Hi there, I restored some material which you removed from the Derek McCulloch page. It looked like it might have been an accidental deletion and the material is currently being discussed on the talk page. If you did mean to delete it please accept my apologies, and if you have a view on its inclusion please join the discussion on the talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.13.223.91 (talk) 20:59, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Prod Removal

Please do not remove prod without providing any justification.Shyamsunder (talk) 15:15, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Prods are not like csd templates. Also please create a new subsection if you post on my page so there is a record of each individual converstaion or discussion. You can also see the guidelines to WP:PROD there. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:29, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Stop Speedy deletion

My Article is Not Breaking any Copyrights Law's & Terms and Condition of Wikipedia.Derek It looked like it might have been an accidental deletion and the material is currently being discussed on the talk page. If you did mean to delete it please accept my apologies, and if you have a view on its inclusion please join the discussion on the talk page.

Unfortunately it seems that you work for Turner International, based on your username I would personally not edit those articles at all. We have policies about WP:CRYSTAL and what wiki is not. When the channels are expanded to those countries they will likely be notable but until that time we aren't here to advertise their availability when they might come down. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 05:45, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Sandbox

So she used the afc template? And the autobiography template was not ignored, the user simply hasn't made a single edit since. And straight after that immediately a deletion debate? Yeah, I don't agree. Garion96 (talk) 08:57, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok just so you understand my reasoning. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 08:58, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Association for the Protection of Fur-Bearing Animals

I've declined your G11 speedy deletion request of Association for the Protection of Fur-Bearing Animals, because I don't believe that the criterion is appropriate. The article does not seem promotional in nature, much less unambiguously promotional.--Slon02 (talk) 02:15, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Delayed creation proposal

I iVoted at your listed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Romney Democrat. What do you think of my Delayed creation proposal. My initial concept was off a bit, but the feed back did help. I noted that the Romney Democrat article was created 00:48, 4 November 2012‎,[8] two days before the US Presidential election. By 06:53, 4 November 2012, the AfD had enough input to get an idea of where the outcome was headed. What do you think about having a Template:TempDelete (similar to Template:TempUndelete used at DRV) where an admin could have used to replace the contents of the Romney Democrat article just after 06:53, 4 November 2012 indicating that the page was now being discussed at AfD. That would have blanked the contents of the article, but left the Romney Democrat article content history available. Then, after the US Presidential election ended on 6 November 2012, anyone coud remove the Template:TempDelete and make the contents of the article visiable once again. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 06:51, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Looks like it was already closed, sorry better luck nect time. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 21:39, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Ron Ball

I understand why you nominated this for deletion, but I think it probably does meet our WP:GNG criteria. The subject is one of 41 people elected to a newly created office in the UK, and covers a county-wide constituency that encompasses several hundred thousand people (if they'd all voted). There's not much information just now on many of these commissioners, but it's still early days so more should come along. Paul MacDermott (talk) 17:43, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Loves Libraries Seattle

Decemmber 8 - Wikipedia Loves Libraries Seattle - You're invited

Seattle Public Library

Date Saturday, December 8, 2012 Time 10 a.m. – 3 p.m. Location Seattle Public Library Meeting Room 1 on Level 4, Central Library, 1000 4th Avenue, Seattle WA, 98104 Event An editathon on Seattle-related Wikipedia articles with Wikipedia tutorials and Librarian assistance on hand. Hashtag #wikiloveslib or #glamwiki. Registration http://wll-seattle.eventbrite.com or use on-wiki regsistration. Yours, Maximilianklein (talk) 02:58, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Women LEAD

Hi Hell in a Bucket. I was going to leave a message for you over on the Women LEAD talk page, but I think what I have to say is relevant only for you. I mentioned WP:BITE because you nominated a sourced article for speedy deletion, not because you used the AfD process. I think most administrators would find that neither the A7 or G11 criteria were met. New page patrolling is an important task as for many new Wikipedians it is the first time they will interact with editors. Harsh interactions, like the one you are now having with the new editor on the talk page, can drive potential editors away. Gobōnobō ^{+ c} 20:05, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Have you looked at the sources? Other then possibily the MS. one they aren't sources that can be used at all. They are blogs of contributors not actually from the Magazines and one is a self written article from the companies founder. Also inclusions of lists don't count for reliability. Having sources doesn't disqualify from csd process, however the claim to notability does and that was why I changed it to a AFD. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 20:10, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Again, I don't disagree that the sourcing could make the article a potential candidate for AfD. I am specifically concerned with the bite-y tone that you are employing with new editors and what looked like a hastily made decision to nominate the article for speedy deletion. I would point out that the G11 criteria specifically indicates that the advertising or promotion should be "unambiguous" and that A7 says that the "criterion does not apply to any article that makes any credible claim of significance or importance even if the claim is not supported by a reliable source or does not qualify on Wikipedia's notability guidelines". As far as the sources that you say can't be used at all, you should be aware that some blogs are considered reliable sources and that primary sources are acceptable sources to use in an article, even if they aren't used to establish notability. Your comment on the talk page where you told the new editor "I'm not here to be your friend, sorry" was really unnecessary and is not the sort of interaction that will help us at all with editor retention. Gobōnobō ^{+ c} 03:53, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm aware of what it takes to pass Csd, that's why I voluntarily took the speedy off and reapplied with an AFD. Consider the lead

• "Women LEAD is a non-governmental organization that provides women's leadership development training and advocacy in Nepal. Based in Kathmandu, Nepal and Arlington, Virginia in the United States. The group aims to build the professional skills of future leaders, in order to tackle the root causes of poverty in their communities"

and that's just the lead. This article is indeed promotional, it isn't providing hours and operation but there are undertones that I find to be advertising, whether this is supported by other editors is yet to be seen but I made a considered decision after reviewing the article to review it for csd. I do suppose that I could have phrased it differently as to the friend part but I did that as a point and my way of saying I'm not singling you out, I don't really care who they are or what axe they have to grind. It doesn't matter to me personally, the problem comes from the lack of compliance with Encyclopedia standards, which I believe aren't met with the article. If it's a Bite its a very liberal definition of biting and one that wasn't intentional. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 09:46, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

A7

Hi there. :) Thanks for patrolling new pages! It really helps a lot. About the GUN CLUB 2 - Best in Virtual Weaponry that you tagged just now - it was definitely a G11, but not actually an A7, as A7 doesn't apply to software. A7 is pretty limited in scope, so it would be worth studying the definition carefully. Also, I found it very helpful to read WP:CSD/O, along with the essays in Template:Speedy deletion navbox. And feel free to ask me if you have any questions about speedying things. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 12:42, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Shit you're right. Forgot that Hell In A Bucket (talk) 12:48, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Hello, I am trying to make a page for Dr. Rebbeca Masterton. Can you please help me? Lubnarizvi (talk) 12:56, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the barnstar. I did a google search [[9]] and there doesn't seem to really be any coverage or sources to indicate the notability as applies to WP:GNG Can you provide sourcing that shows why that person is notable? Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:07, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Look I am new to wiki and I am trying my best. Now someone has edited the page and has included the references. A page cannot be made in few hours, I have to gather the information and I am not a wiki professional unlike you. I hope you will consider not deleting it.

Lubnarizvi (talk) 15:15, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Definitely not a wiki professional but I've been around once or twice. You got the most important part the ability to discuss things. Hell In A Bucket (talk)

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Everbread

The current list of key people is unsourced and therefore inaccurate. I believe that there should be either a correct listing or no listing. The current listing is incomplete and therefore misleading — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.237.238.126 (talk) 11:30, 6 November 2013 (UTC)