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Hi. I noticed that you changed a WikiProject Trinidad and Tobago template to WikiProject Caribbean. Those projects were split many years ago, and the remaining functionality on the Caribbean template is just a legacy of an incomplete clean-up. Guettarda (talk) 18:14, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Guettarda Thanks for letting me know! SusunW (talk) 18:41, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

And by the way, thank you so much for all you've done on Caribbean topics! Guettarda (talk) 22:08, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Guettarda I've lived in the Caribbean and am fascinated with all of the different cultures and languages. It frustrates me to no end that our coverage for the region is so poor and that sources are so hard to come by. In my dreams, WP will make a partnership agreement with UWI and we'll suddenly have access to a ton of sources. Okay, probably not going to happen, but wouldn't that be awesome. SusunW (talk) 04:23, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Help with Dorothy Jane Larsen

I am writing an article on the Danish opera singer Dorothy Larsen who was born in Chicago on 9 November 1911 and I am pretty sure her father was John M. Larsen who was in the ice cream business there. The "M" was originally Møller but he called himself Miller in the U.S. Do you think you would be able to find Dorothy's birth details or birth certificate with the names of her father and mother? There's quite a bit of evidence her father was John M. Larsen, for example the article with photographs Larsens is biler and the info on the banned discographer site at www.the-discographer.dk/kammersangere/dorothy-larsen-disko.pdf. No rush on this but I am no expert on finding American resouces.--Ipigott (talk) 15:37, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Ipigott Glad to help. Johannes Larsen was definitely her father. You'll need to set up a free account to see the records, but here is a passport record showing her father, his wife Jennie A. (née Klitgaard?), and children Harry E., Esther, and Dorothy Jane. (3 images you'll need to scroll). Here's the 1930 Danish census, which I cannot read, but you can. Also found this, which is definitely him. Unfortunately my newspapers.com account is dead again, so I haven't been able to search and confirm his wife's maiden name. SusunW (talk) 16:30, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks very much. That's all a great help.--Ipigott (talk) 16:34, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

You were right about the name of her mother. In her husband's "official" biography it was given as Jenny Annette Kirstine Klitgaard. Once again this is a case of the husband being considered more important than the wife although they had very similar careers. At least she now has a bio on Wikipedia. Thanks once again for your help. You're really good at deciphering handwriting.--Ipigott (talk) 10:32, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Ipigott I spent a lot of years living in archival records. I learned to write what you think it is and then search every possible misspelling you think it might be and search that. Standardized spelling, and certainly for immigrants, is definitely a myth. Glad you were able to confirm the info. I had a lovely day yesterday, was able to use worldcat's "ask a librarian" feature and have them e-mail me the Saint Lucia Civil Code, chapter 1, to confirm that women there lost their nationality in 1879, well before the British common code in 1914. Progress! SusunW (talk) 13:05, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm really glad to hear your requests are receiving positive responses. General attitudes towards Wikipedia seem to be improving. I remember years ago I received several rather unpleasant reactions when I asked for information in connection with my Wikipedia articles. As a result, I now do my best to find resources myself or I ask other editors (like you) for assistance when I think they might be able to help. As we're enjoying beautifully sunny spring weather here in Luxembourg, I have not been spending as much time as usual creating new articles but I would still like to add a few more Danish opera singers in connection with our Europe contest.--Ipigott (talk) 15:45, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

I never tell them who I am writing for, just that I am researching information for an article and live in Mexico, without access to a public library or interlibrary loan program, and that I have exhausted all my possibilities to find whatever it is that I need. Usually, they are very helpful, but COVID has certainly made it harder, as facilities are often understaffed or open limited hours. Glad you are enjoying your spring. We hit summer about 2 weeks ago and I think everyone here is hoping June comes quickly. April and May are our hottest months, we've been hovering around 38-40C for weeks. Come June and hurricane season, it'll cool off with the wind and rains. SusunW (talk) 15:56, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

@Ipigott and SusunW: Hello you two. I simply love seeing your collaborations together. It's been that way from the first day we were introduced. "The Great Thaw" is coming soon with most snows melted by mid May and by June everything will be green and colorful wildflowers will return to our valley again (yummy wildflower salads). I'm really looking forward to excursions without having to wear snowshoes (lol). I want to slowly reacclimate to Wikipedia after being off for a few months so if you guys need limited help with research or writing I would be grateful for the opportunity to assist such amazing people any way that I can. I'm trying to avoid contentious situations that had me ready to leave completely and refocus back on adding to the encyclopedia as a contributor. Blessings to you both. --ARoseWolf 16:36, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Tsistunagiska Good to see you back. Hope you reach spring soon. Still working on women's nationality. Slow process, but steadily making headway. I am hoping to finish up the Americas (except Chile, Uruguay and Paraguay, which require "boots on the ground") by May. You are welcome to jump in if it interests you. SusunW (talk) 19:32, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

• Tsistunagiska: Good to see you are still following our Wikipedia discussions. Looks as if spring is even more inviting in Alaska than it is here. As things warm up and the wild roses come into full bloom, you'll no doubt become more active again. For the time being, I don't think I need much help but maybe in connection with the Arctic Knot Conference 2021 in June, there'll be an opportunity to write about indigenous women from Alaska. See, for example, Alaska Women's Hall of Fame.--Ipigott (talk) 06:46, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Ipigott :-O Oooooo, that looks like an amazing conference coming up. I'm not doing much in June. July and August get busier and by September and October its prepping for Winter, again (lol). The adventure never ends around here. I'm glad to see the wildlife waking up though. Grizzlies are back at it. We had signs of a large male near the smokehouse the other day. Seems he loves smoked fish too but he needs to go catch his own first (lol). --ARoseWolf 12:58, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Encouragement for a wiki-friend

SusanW, I wanted to take a moment from my day, though I know this isn't a blog it is one of the few ways we can communicate, and offer you some encouragement. I have stood near mountain peaks watched the moment the sun rises over those peaks and the true light of another day produces an amazing glow all around you that reaches into the valley below. I have walked the shorelines of countless lakes watching the way the water moves, teeming with life beneath its almost glass like appearance and feeling the vibrations through my feet. I have chanced rapids on the Colorado, dared ziplines through Yellowstone, braved the cold whiteness of Alaskan mountain passes. I have stood beside wolves and felt their heart pounding inside them only to feel the same inside me. The glow of life, the strings of music inside each living thing, I have seen and felt and lived my entire existence. I do not see just clouds. I do not see just earth, or tree, or animal. I do not see just human kind. The skies above are filled with music and light like a fireworks display that never ends. Colors themselves are vibrant and alive. And we are no different. All things are like waves of energy, sound and light pushing through everything in one giant display of earthly and cosmic eloquence as a symphony bursting at the seams to be heard. This is who we are and what gives us the inspiration to write, paint, play, sing, dance, explore, research, live life. This is what I feel when you and others correspond and write here. Even the things that appear as disharmony are not always so. Life is a process. Any aspect of life is a process. The end result feels great but the journey and adventure to get there is equally amazing. You are a painter. You are a musician. You are a dancer. You are a dreamer of dreams and an explorer of the deep oceans of life. Keep singing, lovely. It sounds pretty awesome. --ARoseWolf 16:18, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Tsistunagiska, you make me smile. Indeed, life is a process and the most amazing adventure. Learning something every day adds so much to the fabric of our lives. SusunW (talk) 16:45, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

My brothers have told me I need to write books on my experiences and I am slowly converting my personal journals into true literary works minus some of the instances that may be deemed too personal. I have quite a few names to change as well, primarily my ex-husbands (lol). I thought about just excluding him entirely but it wouldn't be right. Despite our positions being on opposite ends of the the universe now there was a time when he climbed those peaks with me. Others have too, along the way, including my daughter who is my rainbow. I never will forget her telling me that she wanted me to watch the video of her mother that she made about the future woman that would come into her daughters life to bring her up through all the experiences she wouldn't be able to physically be a part of. I still get a lump in my throat. I still choke up. This little girl was so affected by losing such a powerful force in her life that she had given up on life. And here we were just months later listening to this incredible woman tell me that she had every confidence that I was the one to not only reignite the flame for life in her daughter but to continue to teach her daughter all the things about life that she won't be able to and couldn't fit into those 18+ videos she made for her. It's scary, its leaves me in awe and is very humbling. These are the things I want in books, beyond the near death misses, like being chased by a pack of hungry wolves and the sledding incident in white-out conditions and 60+ mph winds where life seemed to be slipping away with every passing moment as the cold sucked it out of us. --ARoseWolf 17:27, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you ...

wild garlic

... for improving articles in April! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:33, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda Arendt So much to be done. I just try to do a bit each day and appreciate your encouragement. SusunW (talk) 04:19, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

yes! more memories on the Main page today, Psalm 115 thinking of Yoninah, Christa Ludwig and Milva, - voices that made the Earth a better place. Sad that the psalm hook didn't appear on Earth Day as planned, but better pictured and late than going unnoticed ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:12, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much Gerda Arendt! I think of Yoninah almost every day as I work. Indeed, her voice made our world a better place, as does your work to keep beauty from being obscured. You are an inspiration. SusunW (talk) 16:35, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Blushing to RoseWolf's colour ... - I came to ask if I should now try to play Yoninah's role in the task of showing your "creations" on the Main page. I liked her nominating and me reviewing, but could do the nominating part unless you are gown-up enough to do it yourself ;) - Just drop names of articles right here, without further ado. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:38, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt you are amazing for making that offer and I cannot tell you how much I appreciate it. I think it will be a while before I have something front page worthy, because all of the nationality articles I am working on are pretty much the same. Women lost their nationality and discrimination barred people who were "different" or unassimilable. Did you know that women lost their nationality until (date) in (country) would become redundant. But, when I finally get to the place that I have finished the legal history of each country and actually write the article on women's nationality, I'll let you know. Thank you, thank you, thank you for your continued encouragement. SusunW (talk) 14:36, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

May 2021 at Women in Red

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Welcome to an Alaskan Spring

Ah!!! It's time to break out the black-out curtains again. Yes, Spring/Summer is returning to Northern Alaska and with it the 24 hour daylight. We still get a little twilight but true night is gone until about the middle of September. One good thing is the upward trend of the temps. We are seeing high temps about 4-7c, however, today its going to be barely above freezing and the weekend looks like a little snow may sweep the valley with high temps one to two degrees below freezing. --ARoseWolf 12:47, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

I am glad for you that spring has arrived. We are in the depth of summer 8 a.m. and 25°C already. I love that, but the high will get to like 39°C. Stay warm, wishing you fields and fields of flowers during your endless days. SusunW (talk) 13:00, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Notability of Marjorie Bear Don't Walk

Hello @SusunW: I was hoping to draw your attention to the article Marjorie Bear Don't Walk, which appears to be principally edited by you. I stumbled across the article through the perusing of categories, and noticed that Bear Don't Walk doesn't appear to be very notable. I was wondering if you could discuss the article's notability on talk page when you have a chance. Thanks! PerpetuityGrat (talk) 19:24, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

I can tell that you have contributed a great length of time to Wikipedia. I say this because I deeply do not want to sound disrespectful in any way when I say this: it appears that possibly several articles that you have created do not meet WP:NOTE standards... some include: Kirkina Mucko, Alice E. Johnson, and Shirley Campbell Barr to name a few. If these articles were written about an individual in the 21st century, likely those would be deleted due to lack of notability. I just don't see how these folks and others meet the standards is all, but maybe I am mistaken (I want to clarify, I do not feel this way about all of the articles you have created!). I am very open to discussion here or on the aforementioned talk page. Further edit: honestly I can tell you have put so much effort into virtually all of your articles, and I truly do not wish to hurt your feelings or anything like that at all. You seem like a very pleasant person and I desperately hope you don't take this personally! QQ PerpetuityGrat (talk) 19:47, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

PerpetuityGrat I can assure you my feelings aren't hurt by your questioning of notability, but I am going to need some time to digest your behavior. You may not intend to appear as if you are stalking me or my articles but my red flags are on high alert because your systematic reviews seem really odd. Why would you randomly go through another editor's articles? I'm going to step away and breathe. I'll get back to you. SusunW (talk) 19:57, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

PerpetuityGrat, are you looking at the same articles that I am? I feel like I am in an alternate universe or something. Each article is well researched, well written and well sourced. The only one that might could be questioned is Alice Johnson and she's actually got her own collection from a Presidential Center. I'd dare to say not many people, much less women, can say that, especially from her era. I don't mean to sound rude because I don't know you and I will follow Wikipedia rules on "assuming good faith" but I think this is a classic case of 'barking up the wrong tree'. There are countless articles on Wikipedia that are unsourced and poorly written that definitely need triage may even need to be removed. All of these belong in this encyclopedia. Bring any one of them or all of them to AfD if you wish, that's your prerogative, but I would expect a heavy rebuttal if you do. No hurt or hard feelings...just straight facts. --ARoseWolf 20:35, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

PerpetuityGrat I'm going to AGF that you have a genuine desire to understand women's history and that my initial reaction to your odd behavior was out of line. I apologize. Women's history did not emerge as an academic field before 1970-1971. Prior to that time very few women appeared in the historical record at all. Even today women's history is not included in basic history studies, one must take courses in gender or women's studies typically at the university level to learn about women's experiences, contributions, and lives. The same holds true for other non-mainstream subjects which have typically been underrepresented in the historic record. Not only were women not of interest to academics, they did not have their own nationality until the 20th century in most countries, they were not considered citizens with rights and their socio-economic activities were limited, meaning they were barred from education, many activities, and various types of employment. This was not limited to one country, but prevailed on a global scale.

Having said that, I judge notability for women in the context of women's history. Comparing them to male figures in a similar time period is like comparing apples and oranges. Did they do something in the limited scope that they were allowed that made them stand out from other women? Despite that most records about women have been lost or obscured, is there enough information available that a comprehensive overview of their life can be presented? If those things hold true, then I write an article. I've been writing women's history for decades and believe that I have a fairly good grasp of who is or is not historically notable, but I am happy to discuss individual cases with you and am not so rigid in my views that I cannot be swayed by a critical analysis that differs from my own. You will also see there are a lot of people who watch my page who may chime in on the discussion. SusunW (talk) 20:41, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

SusunW Okay, I honestly didn't have that perspective when I first read the articles. I only looked at a few of the articles you've created, and I honestly did not see the notability there, as an article written about a 21st century individual with the same biography would likely not meet WP:NOTE standards. What I failed to consider was that those women I pointed out were the first of their kind to pursue professions or the first to do other things. I also did not take race into account for a few of those, that being the first Native American woman doing XYZ would qualify them as notable. I can see that you got relatively defensive, and I don't blame you, or User:Tsistunagiska. Though, I'm not the one who brought up AfD. Rather I came here seeking discussion, yikes lol. And I never disputed the length or quality of research in each article--they are well sourced and well written, and never said otherwise. I also didn't dispute that other articles are poorly sourced/need work. In my opinion, all of WP needs work and I simply stumbled upon them through categories. I knew my section would be perceived as offensive, and I appreciate you seeing through that. My apologies if I may have hampered your afternoon. PerpetuityGrat (talk) 21:00, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

PerpetuityGrat I did not get and am not defensive and I am not offended by your questions. Your behavior made me feel unsafe. Perhaps that is not an experience you have had on the internet, but that was my reaction to what you wrote. I took the time to provide an explanation about women's history because context is crucial. When and where did it happen, what was their gender/ethnicity, how do they stack up to others in their same group all need to be asked when weighing historical figures. You will note, I rarely, if ever write about 21st century people. To my mind, mostly their significance to history has not yet been proven. And I was serious, if you want to discuss something, I am happy to discuss. SusunW (talk) 21:10, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

SusunW I apologize if I made you feel unsafe in any way. I edit a lot of legislature/legislator articles (notably because so many of them are outdated), and through a few category hops I stumbled across one article, and that was literally it. I just checked out some of the other pages that you created (which are on your userpage), and there's nothing more to it. The points you brought up already were some aspects I didn't consider previously, but I will absolutely consider those moving forward. Thanks, and terribly sorry for taking up your time. PerpetuityGrat (talk) 21:25, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

PerpetuityGrat Thanks for that. I appreciate your explanation and understand it was a misunderstanding of what you meant. Just know that it is weird for me, and many women I work with, to have someone say that are looking through their stuff. I get that in the social media crazy world that has gained some normalcy, but to me, it is always a red flag. My problem, not yours. SusunW (talk) 21:34, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

PerpetuityGrat, Susun has stated she wasn't offended and I wasn't offended either. I was just laying out my thoughts. I can be brash and very forward but I absolutely assumed good faith from you. It's a hazard of living where I do and being who I am. I honestly meant no offense towards you in anything I stated. I am the first to say that Wikipedia and it's guidelines need to to be revamped to give the encyclopedia a more solid foundation that will allow for historical data/people/events to be distinguished from current events. The fact a professor had a one page article written on them 60 years ago means more than a university bio today. That needs to be taken into account. If a woman from 1892 was talked about in multiple publications then she most assuredly was notable for something. A woman being talked about in multiple publications today may or may not be notable depending upon the circumstances. I can also understand why Susun felt unsafe. That's part of the reason I spoke up. I don't believe you meant to make her feel that way but her feelings were relevant and I wanted her to know that someone else was here, beyond just sharing my thoughts on the articles themselves. --ARoseWolf 13:23, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

A bit of encouragement

Hello Susun, I just wanted to stop by and let you know that you are amazing, just incase you didn't know. Keep pursuing the answers. Focus on the tasks you have decided need your attention but never forget to take time to care for yourself. You deserve it. You are such an important part of this encyclopedia and the role you play is integral in ensuring that the past is accurately displayed so others can see the sacrifices made by those who came before us. Stay encouraged, keep pushing forward, be emboldened to take on anything in your way. You got this! --ARoseWolf 15:16, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Tsistunagiska I am humbled and so appreciative of your words. Balance is always needed and for me, often a struggle. :) It fuels me to try to tell our collective story in a more balanced way but it isn't easy. Encouragement from you and others truly makes all the difference. SusunW (talk) 15:27, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

A little favour

I just saw Draft:Donnette Zacca in the new Caribbean articles. I didn't make the fraft, it is a newbie who submitted it to AfC. I have seen the WiR team speed things along and ironed out the process for others, and I assume you know the ins and outs. Basically AfC is FUBAR IMO, so could you take a look at the draft and make it a pleasant journey for the newbie instead of five month long frustrating nightmare which usually kills off newbies. KittenKlub (talk) 07:47, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

KittenKlub I reformatted it a bit, added cats and moved it to mainspace. Zacca is clearly notable. I have zero clue how to close it out of AfC, but yes, never, ever, ever should an article be submitted there. I posted on the talk page of Women in Red to see if anyone can do whatever technical things need to be done to close out the AfC. SusunW (talk) 13:52, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks :) I thought she was notable as well, and it was a good first article, but whether it could stand the scrutiny of AfC was doubtful.KittenKlub (talk) 13:58, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Totally agree with your assessment. Despite it's name AfC is not a platform to help editors create new articles. It is instead a platform to evaluate whether an article will withstand a nomination for deletion. Unfortunately, that creates confusion for new users. My subscription to newspaperarchives.com has been renewed, but there are always problems with me accessing it from Mexico, so I couldn't look there. I linked it to the list of women photographers so it wouldn't be an orphan and posted on Women in Red to see if we can get other eyes on it. SusunW (talk) 14:08, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Headed out

I am headed out into the wild for a few days. I should be back early next week. Just letting someone from Wikipedia know. Enjoy your weekend and thank you for all your hard work. --ARoseWolf 15:02, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Tsistunagiska Be safe and enjoy yourself. Come back to us. SusunW (talk) 15:15, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Susun. Had to come back for supplies. One of those cabins needs some significant roof repairs and it happens to be one we frequent in early winter. We'll try again next week. It was good to get away overnight though. Even out here we can become complacent with all our little gadgets and widgets. --ARoseWolf 14:38, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Nationality law articles & human migration category

In response to your message, I started a discussion at Category_talk:Human_migration so that we can address your point. Nationality law afficionado (talk) 19:22, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Nationality law afficionado Thanks for starting a discussion, but as you and I have not had a conversation about it, it seems odd that you would state here that I disagree with you. I think you mischaracterized our interaction. There isn't really a point in carrying on the conversation on multiple pages, I think it will become confusing, so I will reply on your page. SusunW (talk) 19:30, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I jumped to the conclusion that we were in disagreement. Can I suggest that we have the discussion on Category_talk:Human_migration so that other interested users can add to the debate? Nationality law afficionado (talk) 19:39, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

June 2021 at Women in Red

Women in Red | June 2021, Volume 7, Issue 6, Numbers 184, 188, 196, 199, 200, 201 Online events: New: Wiki Loves Pride | June Junes | Jewellers & Watchmakers Contest (Apr/May/Jun): Women in Europe contest Year-long campaign: Women's rights Continuing: #1day1woman Other ways to participate: Join the conversations on our talkpage | Help us plan future events Become a member | Opt-out of notifications Follow us on social media: Facebook | Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

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May thanks

Thank you for improving articles in May! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:24, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt I needed to hear this this month. It is sometimes such a struggle to find the sources to continue writing. Your encouragement always helps me see a way out of the frustration. I truly appreciate your support. SusunW (talk) 13:25, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

You are so welcome! A few monthly virtual flowers is not much in appreciation of your efforts, be they successful or not. I like what you said, because I heard different music recently. Well, he is banned now who said it, and the diff even mentioned in the process. I didn't take part, but there were enough thinking the same. Summary for me: relations between users do help improving the encyclopedia, and are no waste of time that should be put exclusively into articles. Always a pleasure to come to you! When I go over the members, for many I have to look up contribs, see that they didn't edit in months or years, or are blocked. For you, I always know I saw you active recently, - that feels good. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:32, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt Oh so much this "relations between users do help improving the encyclopedia"! Just know when you come to my page it always makes me smile. SusunW (talk) 13:36, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt and SusunW: ~"relations between users do help improving the encyclopedia" ~I can't think of any other editors here that I can honestly say this exemplifies more for me than you two. You both inspired me to continue editing months ago when I needed it. I may not do much, I'm still trying to find my place, but I do try to improve the encyclopedia every time I am here, not just in article creation/editing but also in encouraging and offering tips to others. You, both, are amazing and beautiful Songs. I am so happy to consider you wiki-friends. --ARoseWolf 13:24, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Tsistunagiska I love the idea of people being songs. I have always thought of people as presents. Don't buy me things, introduce me to the people who are important in your life and you have given me a gift that expands my world and brings us all closer. Songs do the same thing, as they move us, even if we don't understand the words and transcend boundaries. :) SusunW (talk) 13:28, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

I have seen living things as Songs from early in my childhood. Seen the colours in life for as long as I can remember. All of you are Rainbows of light and I am so thankful for our interactions. --ARoseWolf 14:06, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

See my talk today, - it's rare that a person is pictured when a dream comes true, and that the picture is shown on the Main page on a meaningful day. Call it a stone-star-song. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:42, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt what a lovely photograph and song. Thank you so much for sharing. SusunW (talk) 14:00, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

I received note of his death in his sister-in-law's regular Christmas letter. (In the short video, you can see her third from left in the one and only row, shortly before the end. Her husband will be next for an article.) Was about time that I wrote a tribute ... - and ultimately the perfect time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:04, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank-you cookies!

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		Some cookies by way of thanks for getting me set up with Wikipedia Library privileges. It has completely changed my editing! I can’t thank you enough—so I hope cookies help with the job! Innisfree987 (talk) 17:47, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Innisfree987 Thank you so much! I am glad it has worked out for you. Truly, I would be lost without the services they provide. SusunW (talk) 17:59, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Review sought

Hi Susun

How are you doing? I have an article at FAC - Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Treaty of Guînes/archive1. It is in need of a prose review from an editor from a non-MilHist background to check that it is, or perhaps is not, free from jargon, unexplained concepts and similar nonsense. It is not too long at 2,200 words and I was wondering if you might be able to look it over? Obviously, if time or motivation don't permit, don't worry about it.

Thanks

Gog the Mild (talk) 18:37, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

I owe you more reviews, dearest Gog the Mild than I can ever repay. Give me today to finish up Nauru and I shall hop on it first thing tomorrow if that time frame works for you. If it is urgent, just let me know and I'll do it now. SusunW (talk) 19:02, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks. There is no rush at all. It's about a failed peace treaty, aimed at ending the 100 Years' War, and I just love the ending "The Hundred Years' War finally ended in 1455, 101 years after the Treaty of Guînes was signed." Gog the Mild (talk) 19:06, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Gog the Mild, I've given it a go. Am unsure of BE vs AE things, but you will let me know. SusunW (talk) 15:26, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

You are wonderful. Kicking my sloppy wording and sloppier logic into shape. Thank you. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:09, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Gog the Mild I do not think it is sloppy at all, the problem of course is I know diddly about war, pacifist that I am, so things that might seem logical to others are beyond my comprehension. I appreciate your patience with me. SusunW (talk) 18:12, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

We are writing an encyclopedia. It is supposed to be generally accessible. There is obviously a blurred border, but if an intelligent non-mil-hist aficionado such as yourself cannot work out what I mean, at least from context, then the failure is mine, not yours, and I thank you for pointing these cases out to me. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:17, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

I truly, truly, truly appreciate you and your work. I think we both work from the standpoint that quality is superior to quantity and to arrive at that, different perspectives enrich the work. SusunW (talk) 18:25, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

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Able to give feedback for Time's Up History?

Hello, I found your name on the list of members at WikiProject Women's History and saw that your interests include human rights activism, women’s history, and social movements, so thought you might be interested in reviewing a request for the Time's Up (movement) History. My request and draft are on the article Talk page. Over the past few weeks, I’ve posted notes at a couple WikiProjects and reached out to a few editors with similar interests, but unfortunately there's not been any replies yet. Would you be willing to look? I know editors are busy, so I appreciate any time you might be able to give to this. Hope with Time's Up (talk) 19:06, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Hope with Time's Up, I am hip deep in alligators, working on a project to write women's loss of nationality into each nation globally. I have over 100 articles still to do and truly do not have the time (probably for the next year) to divide my focus on getting this commitment done. I also don't know anything at all about paid contributions or the restrictions upon them, since I have never edited for pay. Perhaps Megalibrarygirl can assist you or point you in the direction of someone who can help or alternatively, you can ask for help on the talk page of Women in Red, a project devoted to creating content about women and their works. It is a very active and helpful project and usually someone, or multiple editors, promptly respond. Thanks for your contributions and good luck. SusunW (talk) 19:26, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Hope with Time's Up, let me bring Ritchie333 into this. He knows a ton of people. Also, Arianna the First was the page creator. She might have some good ideas. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 04:35, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

I'll have a read through the article to get a gist of it - in the meantime, I'd suggest asking at Women in Red as there should be some knowledgeable editors. While I'm here, I've recently shared this Medium post here from the Sunday Times writer Julie Cohen elsewhere on the internet, and I just hang my head in sorrow at how true it is. I think SusunW managed to convince me that I'm a feminist, even though I never set out to be one and struggle to get things right. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:56, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

@Megalibrarygirl and Ritchie333: Thank you both! I appreciate your responsiveness. Been to the labs all morning for the half-way mark tests. Fingers crossed. Thanks for the article Ritchie, I enjoyed/didn't enjoy it, but that is the definition of feminism to my mind. And you are definitely among us. SusunW (talk) 16:37, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

SusunW, Yes, Ritchie333 is definitely one of us! :) I did read that in March, I think. It's really sad. Just today I saw a bunch of dudes on Twitter saying how much harder it is to be a man than a woman and how hard it is to be straight! So much myopia and misunderstanding. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 22:18, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Megalibrarygirl, I have no doubt that it is hard to be a guy, but that being said, I have lots of doubts that it is harder to be one. Cis-males can usually live their life without being on constant alert, which is not the case for most women. That wears a soul down in indescribable ways and is exhausting. SusunW (talk) 13:31, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

I can't remember if I mentioned this before on or off-wiki (it was one of those two) but a long time ago (at least 20 years) I got several requests from friends to walk with some women home from pubs like The Hobbit to ensure they got home safely; one of which I'm still friends with now. I think there were problems with attacks on women, which culminated in the murder of Hannah Foster which was exactly on my walking route that I took at least twice a week, though I'd moved out of the area by the time the murder took place. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:44, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes, Ritchie333 it's like that. So glad you were there to walk with them. My husband once pointed out to me how differently we walk to the store 3 blocks away. He walks out the gate and goes there. Me I make sure I have my phone, I check up and down the street before I unlock the gate. If someone unknown is walking near me, I cross to the island (we live on a boulevard) or the other side. Get what I needed and repeat the process. It hasn't mattered where we lived, this has always been how I do it, without thinking about it, it's just ingrained in my brain. All those childhood safety lessons and lectures on awareness of your surroundings, have usually held me in good stead, but that being said, it's less stressful for both of us if he just goes. SusunW (talk) 14:24, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

I typically stay out of conversations like these because I believe every voice is relevant and every experience is different. The reality is that both sides of this issue can be correct and both sides can be wrong at the same time. It is a central issue with being human and also one of our most unique and greatest assets. In her account, Julie, brings attention, rightfully so, to men who were doing things the wrong way. But if we are to bring attention to the wrong then should we not also bring attention to those who do it right? We love to highlight something when we feel we are the victim and it may help lift someone else who falls victim to the same or similar thing. I would never discourage that. We need more of it. But we also must be responsible and not lose our human ability to relate with other humans across the board. What about all the men around Julie who did not look at her as an object that day? Perhaps the ones at the party, if there were any, who congratulated her and esteemed her for her work? We really don't know if there were men on the train who saw what was happening and did nothing. We can assume so, but is that so uncommon? How many women were on the train and did nothing to stand beside her, bring attention to it or offer a kind word of support? How many people stood by and did nothing? She is correct that most women have been subjected to abuse and objectification at some point in their lives, some of us multiple times even starting in our childhood. If you are a woman then you understand what it is like. We can support each other and affect change without over-generalizing issues. This isn't a man condition. This isn't a woman condition. It's a human condition. It isn't going to change until we start viewing each other through that lens and trying to relate with one another. Instead of educating men that they are inherently bad, ashamed of their manhood, and/or need to change who they are to go out of their way to make a woman feel she is not threatened, teach our young men by pushing the positive aspects to the forefront and offering them examples of the negative and positive with explanations. We aren't teaching them to respect interactions with women, we are teaching them to fear interactions with us. It is our responsibility to bridge the gaps where we can, bring attention to both negative and positive interactions and teach/educate on the proper way to treat each other as human beings. There will always be misguided people doing evil deeds. That will never change. Yet we each have a Song and each Song is equally important. We have the choice to further damage those beautiful Songs or amplify them and help them flow in the right direction that will benefit society and the world. Think of the impact if the men and women on that train with Julie that day had collectively stood with her. Think of the message that would have sent. It may not have corrected these misguided men but it may, just may, have given them pause to reflect and it may have emboldened others to stand and bring attention/address the issues in their sphere of influence but in a positive way without inadvertently shaming others to attain our goal. We know it isn't all men but it is some men. The same can be said for women. They don't get a pass. I have never been more shamed and made to feel less than by anyone in my adult life than I have been by my own sisters. I would love to have a relationship with them but I can't, they burn every bridge down. --ARoseWolf 14:43, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Uhhh, Susun, I didn't realize it was that long. My apologies. Folded up the soapbox and going back to improving articles. --ARoseWolf 15:03, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

ARoseWolf In these things we are not polar opposites. Your words ring true and to the heart. SusunW (talk) 15:05, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

And that is what is going to make the difference, in life, in our journey and here on this encyclopedia. I see every article, even those that are eventually deleted, as a collaboration of thoughts and a mixing of colors and notes, a weaving together of ideas, into beautiful songs and masterful paintings. No one here is my enemy. We are all artist, adding our uniqueness to this project, leaving our impression and making our impact. I love Wikipedia. --ARoseWolf 16:20, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

ARoseWolf I see collaborations as a balancing act. In any relationship there is a three-legged stool. One leg is you, one leg is the other party, and the third is your togetherness. If each leg does not have ample space to grow/change and add their voice alone, with others, and together eventually the balance shifts and the stool can no longer stand. SusunW (talk) 16:35, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Very nicely put. Mine is more messy but I like messy. There is an order to even chaos. It's not always something to fear. --ARoseWolf 17:38, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

ARoseWolf, Tru dat. SusunW (talk) 17:51, 9 June 2021 (UTC)