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The Tower of Babel (Bruegels) article

Hi, thanks for this, but there's already an article on this painting at The Tower of Babel (Bruegel). You might want to move your content over to the pre-existing article. Blythwood (talk) 23:55, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

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out of process prod. i see you will make no effort to disambiguate, but will only delete. the fact that this article is not interwikilinked indicates its orphan status. when you cannot play nice with the other wikis you should expect duplication of effort. a split of old one into two articles is warranted. i may get around to this shortly. Sudowoodoo (talk) 18:56, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

I don't understand. We can't have two articles with (almost) the same title on the same painting. Why do you believe a split is warranted? Blythwood (talk) 02:09, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

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Painting articles

Nice work with the translations. There is not enough coverage of paintings on Wikipedia, glad to see you are changing that.--MainlyTwelve (talk) 19:12, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

this is a contest wikidata:Wikidata:Europeana Art History Challenge. come on by and try out the translator tool. Sudowoodoo (talk) 19:16, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Interesting, I will give it a look! Out of curiosity, are you a new editor or do you edit on another language's encyclopedia?--MainlyTwelve (talk) 19:22, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Evening; Red Tree

Hi Sudowoodoo, Thanks for your work on the Art Challenge. Please be careful to check that an article is still not available first before creating one. You can easily see this by checking the Wikidata item for the artwork. I merged your article and added your edit to my article, because mine was created earlier (under the correct name). Please note also that the names chosen are not arbitrary, but are the correct names as brought forth by the partner institutions. Jane (talk) 08:20, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

oh hi, i would note the table has a lag, so i copied the name from wikidata. (the table links to the redirect) all the other wikipedias clip the title as well. i did not see a reference with the accepted english name. it reminds me of the mona lisa problem. is there a dutch article? Sudowoodoo (talk) 16:43, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

I just noticed something that may have bearing on this... For two of the recent articles that you've translated for the Europeana Art History challenge, they were not linked in the Wikidata item, and therefore didn't appear in the various tracking tables of the project or have the 'in other languages' links in the sidebar. For example, see this edit I did to the Wikidata item for "Inger on the Beach" https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q18748731&type=revision&diff=325623844&oldid=325082002 or this edit I made to the Wikidata item for "Portrait of Louis XIV" https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q3399440&action=historysubmit&type=revision&diff=325623794&oldid=324918011 . So - once you've made your new translations, don't forget to go to the Wikidata item to link your new work to it - otherwise no other translators will know it exists.

And - thanks for your enthusiasm in this campaign! Wittylama 17:45, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

oh hi fearless leader. i will go back and add the wikidata item. i note that there are some existing articles missing in the table, and there are variant names. you might want to double check the english names in the table. (cause bold folks like me might use your title)

apparantly my older creations are updated in wikidata, i suspect a bot lag - i.e. [1] & [2] because i did not do that manually. Sudowoodoo (talk) 17:51, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Sudowoodoo, thanks for your edits. I only wrote my first remark after being annoyed that someone reverted my edit, but I see that it was just a lag (albeit by 2 hours!). Anyways, if you want to claim the points for this Mondrian go ahead. I will remove mine. User:MDuvekot doesn't seem interested, though he/she added some nice references too. Best, Jane (talk) 19:13, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

oh, no. you're going to get the euros, not me. i already revised my score down. Sudowoodoo (talk) 19:17, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

sorry we jostled out of the gate, but this is a cross country, not a sprint. Sudowoodoo (talk) 18:16, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

I'll be sending out a 'Challenge update' email soon (hopefully today if I'm organised enough) to the mailing list (which you can join if you'd like: https://lists.wikimedia.bg/mailman/listinfo/europeana-280-challenge ). I'll make sure to tell people to remember to add their new articles to the relevant Wikidata item, and to tell their wiki-friends about it too. This is not just for tallying the points of the competition but has the side-benefit of helping to spread the word among the wikiverse about how Wikipedians can integrate Wikidata into their workflows - which is going to become increasingly important over the years. Wittylama 11:21, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

call me lazy, but i will wait a day to give the bot an opportunity, and then add link if failed. Sudowoodoo (talk) 16:28, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

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Danse Macabre (Notke)

Hello! Do you think this page shoudl perhaps be called Danse Macabre (painting)?HappyValleyEditor (talk) 19:18, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

no, the naming convention is by artist's last name; see also Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Visual_arts#Article_titles; but then there is a clique who openly flaunt it for painting, sculpture etc. the genre does not aid finding, but artist might. and there might be several paintings with the same title, but fewer by each artist. (except for artists who like untitled). Sudowoodoo (talk) 19:21, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

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After patrolling one of your articles I sort of got to friendly Wikipedia stalking your contributions as I can see there is some sort of art contribution challenge going on. I'm no use helping with translations I can help a little by doing some of the more gnomish touchups, hopefully letting you folks who can focus on the translation work more. I assume you are doing the translations, if not let me know and I'll change this to a more appropriate barnstar. Also hope you don't mind me following your edits just caught my interest, I love seeing art I wouldn't otherwise ever run across or know about. Phil (talk) 21:08, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

hello, thanks. yes, it is Wikidata:Wikidata:Europeana Art History Challenge month. 50 down, 150 to go. and there is also gap finder. check out the beta feature translation tools. increasingly, activity on wiki will be driven by off wiki organization and editathons. apparantly, some others do not share your enthusiasm. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Landscape (Painting by Zlatyu Boyadziev). Sudowoodoo (talk) 15:17, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Keep chugging away, I think it is great. Not surprising that there are some articles folks are choosing to debate, I try to strive to be inclusionist myself and focus on giving an article the best chance of passing muster if we can. I've toyed with the Translation tool (I tried to use it for that Andreas Pavias article) but it usually tells me it won't translate things to English for some reason, not sure why. In that case I just pasted each section into Google Translate which had no trouble with them (not perfect translation but a mostly passable one). I hope they figure out what is causing it not to work, not sure where to go to offer feedback about that or get help if it is just something I am having a problem with. If you are using the tool with success let me know if you have any pointers. Usually it just leaves most of the sections blank if I try to fill them in and only a few basic things like the categories come over. Phil (talk) 23:28, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Another thought or two, not sure if somewhere in the Art Challenge project you could note and add to the list to copy artist pages when they don't exist for the work. I noted this with fi:Ilmari Aalto which has no English page leaving the artwork an orphan. There is a page on the Finnish wiki as you can see and if it were translated too it could be linked and prevent the page from being an orphan as well as helping a bit to establish notability. Also, having looked at that debate you noted, if anyone in that project could reach out to those who chose the notable works, it might be good to have them provide some sources that explain their signficance that could be included as references, they may be better positioned to provide that information to those who are doing the wiki work even if they don't Wikipedia themselves. Phil (talk) 00:02, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

there you go = Ilmari Aalto. yes, the ripple of the contest to fill gaps of european artists is good, but no points there. and, the europeana is political, being chosen by cultural officials. they may have chosen marginal notable works to highlight their collections or personal reasons. if the GLAM folks had made selections, then they would have chosen from the 10 examples in the source for Zlatyu Boyadziev. and some chose contemporary works by living artists which are problematic - we can "fair use" here on english, but the french are limited on the images they can show. it is a good demonstration of the adverse impact of the copyright lobby. it is notoriously difficult to find art sources, since most are off line or behind paywalls. it requires more expert input, such as the art + feminism editathons, can't do it in a month contest, it will take several years. Sudowoodoo (talk) 17:06, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Cool, and that is very understandable. That is why I lean towards keeping and gradually improving them. Keep up the great work and I'll make the contributions I can to helping as many as we can survive any moderation. Phil (talk) 13:31, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

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i'm kinda confused about all that. what is an edit summary or talk page? Sudowoodoo (talk) 18:07, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

• Hi, I was just stopping by to barnstar you for the sheer volume of art articles you're creating, and saw this. I also do copyright work, so to get this in first: When re-using material from a WP article in another WP article, all that's needed is to attribute the source of the text, that is: say where it came from so if anyone ever wants to see how that source text came to be, they can do so. One of the only 2 requirements of our free license. The easiest way, and the minimum that meets the license requirements, is to leave a somewhat formulaic edit summary for the edit that actually introduces the copied text. (The edit summary is the box right above the Save button, which you really should use for every edit, but certainly for copying content internally). Just make the edit summary say "Content copied from [[ARTICLE YOU USED]], see that page for attribution." Including the article name in brackets will give a handy wikilink to it for anyone so searching.
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that was a recommendation from the http://recommend.wmflabs.org/#Recommend . thought it made a nice historical note fort he refugee editation. sorry, i just make the content, don't promote it. since i never go to main page, i could care less. Sudowoodoo (talk) 16:53, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

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the nice thing about contests is that it concentrates the effort on the substance, and not the frills. the nice gnomes or a bot are adding talk page templates, but they can not create articles. nice division of effort. Sudowoodoo (talk) 16:55, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Not exactly true. I create content, but I also do wikignome work. And each time I have to do wikignome work, it means I have less time to create content... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:43, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! UnitedStatesian (talk) 22:15, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

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