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Padre Pio

Nice work with the Padre Pio page, especially the infobox and adding sections to make the article easier to read. LotR 18:08, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Savio, you're right -- the article was too brief, especially given there is so much written on him and that he is the best example of a contemporary mystical saint that I know of (unlike St. Francis, et al., he lived in the 20th Century). I'll try looking over the article more carefully in my spare time, but at first glance everything looks good. I like the St. Pius V image, and didn't even know that this was the source of St. Pio's name. Glad to hear you like Tolkien -- Hobbit/LOTR is definitely my favorite story of all time -- never will be surpassed in my opinion. The movies weren't too bad, although I was skeptical at first. LotR 16:47, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Malory Towers

Hello,I noticed that you left a message on my talk page.I would rather that phrase be removed,as I think that it's a matter of interpretation,and no solid evidence exists.But beause of extentuating circumstances,I did not have time to back this argument up with the sources that I have. Thanks for letting me know, Serenacw 01:09, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Weasel Words

As this is not meant to be a work of piety any suggestions that a person or persons are motivated by malice of any sorts should be backed up with reasonable evidence. This works both ways, but I gather the main difficulty is that all the relevant documents have never been released, as far as I know. The term "weasel words" is commonly encountered on wiki - there is even an entry for it! - so please don't take it personally. Kind regards. 23 September 2006 7.03pm

cont...Popular journalism is full of weasel phrases and religious journalism is certainly no exception. The author of the article gives no references to support the charge of envy other than suggesting, indirectly, that because the Church has made him a saint that proves the ill-will of the critics. Whilst I accept that this would be normal in a work of piety I don't thinks its appropriate here. On the otherhand if you knew that the criticism mentioned in the article was not based on primary sources, i.e peopple who had direct contact with Padre Pio and/or the relevant evidence, then you could make a case for taking it out from the main body of text and leave it within the citation links - but to my knowledge this is not the case. Kind Regards 24 September 2006 1.42pm

Cindy Sheehan

One is a ludicrously trivially stupid joke unrelated to any actual myths and unenlightening as to the subject matter, the other is a factual statement. If you have trouble telling them apart, perhaps you ought not to be editing what's supposed to an encyclopedia. --Calton | Talk 10:45, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Please keep your remarks civil. Thank you. TruthCrusader 18:09, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

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St. Maximilian Kolbe

Hi Savio,

Unfortuntately, I've never uploaded an image, so I'm not certain on what the policy would be on this. However, as you mentioned, St. Maximilian Kolbe died 60 years ago, so the photos are all older than that. Even if the pictures were take while he was abroad (which I doubt), the man was still Polish, so I don't see why you would need the other templates. Also, you could use one of the "prayer card" images, which aren't photographs and are probably public domain (I personally like these, especially the one on the far right). On a side note, I commend you on your editorial choices. Maximilian Kolbe is one of the heroic Saints of the 20th Century, right up there with Padre Pio.

LotR 17:52, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Savio, It's been awhile since we discussed this, but I just wanted to alert you to some apparent vandalism on the Maximilian Kolbe page -- someone deleted most of the text, and it went unnoticed for at least a day. I just happened to check it out (for the first time since you asked me about the image -- very nice, BTW), and I restored the text to the last valid version. I've decided to start watching the page. LotR 22:03, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Dominic Savio

I don't know enough about the subject or the nature of the problem warranting the tags so I can't remove them myself. You may either contact the person who placed them on their talk page and see if they think the tags are still necessary, place a note on the talk page, or remove them yourself if you think that you have adequate addressed the problems. However, if someone readds them, I would wait for some sort of consensus before removing them again. At least you'll be able to ask that person for some specifics of how the article needs to be improved. savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 14:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Looks like you've done good work on Dominic Savio! One thing that might help is if you consolidated the references that are to the same source using <ref name="XXXX">Reference</ref> on the first use and <ref name="XXXX"/> for later uses to reduce the overwhelming size of the end notes. savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 06:24, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

The recent edits to Padre Pio

Savio,

Thank you for bringing to my attention the recent edits to the Padre Pio page. For some reason, when I try to check out the history of the article, the latest edit is listed as occurring on 23 January, so I have not been able to monitor any of these recent edits myself. Anyhow, you are absolutely correct that the last edit you refer to, specifically the last sentence in the paragraph, is inappropriate -- it violates both WP:NPOV and WP:OR. I went ahead and deleted the POV sentence (along with some minor copyedits to the paragraph), and provided an edit summary explaining the change. I ask that you please continue keep your eye on it in case I am still not able to monitor the recent history from my computer.

LotR 13:55, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Savio,

Good job reorganizing the controversies section. I generally agree with you that some of the controversies seem to be added to defame him. I can't imagine that the issue with relics is specific to him alone (among all Saints) -- my guess is that the cited reference makes more general comparisons. But unfortunately, I do not have time to verify the claim. It is also true that bi-location is not necessarily occult. In the case of Saints it is a Divine favor (just like other spiritual gifts, like healing, tongues, etc.) I think the comparisons to witchcraft and Crowley are superficial at best, but that is just my opinion. When editing, just keep a cool head. In the end, I find that most editors are reasonable, so long as you can defend your actions. Right now, you seem to be the lead expert of that page.

LotR 21:02, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry

Sorry for the "jerk", but I get sometimes annoyed by noticing how most articles show that who wrote them has clearly a few confidence with encyclopedias... As for Dominic Savio, the language is full of pietism and POV which makes it unreadable if not to Catholic people, but one here should write having in mind that other people than himself and his friends would need to read the entry. Just that. Bye, and sorry again. Good work.

Dominic Savio - again

Hi Dominic,

Most of what I have immediately to say is probably superceded by Attilio’s message above. When he is irritated, he is very open about it!

Yes, I will have a look at the article again—probably not until Saturday, as it is an admirably long one!—and let you know what I think. It’s going to put me on the spot a bit because I tend to share Attilio’s irritation with many of the article’s on Italian saints which are very largely pietistic and full of unsourced and unverifiable facts about people who are often of genuine historical importance, or of real human interest. (One thing which I as an atheist and socialist greatly approve of in the Catholic tradition is that its practice of sainthood mantains, in however biased a form, the memory of working class people—Rita of Cascia, for instance—who would otherwise be quite forgotten.)

My memory of the article was that it was an immense improvement on what went before. Much longer, more factual and (very unusually) impeccably sourced. I also recall that I wasn’t entirely happy with some aspects of the tone of the writing—verging towards the pietistic, but nothing that wouldn’t be moderated in due course by the usual Wikipedia mechanisms.

Do not stop editing because you have a POV. We all do! Of course we write about things that move us. Relax—as far as possible—when the POV is challenged.

Love Ian —Ian Spackman 17:11, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Savio, I was away from the computer last week. Thanks for bringing my attention to the Dominic Savio page. I did not know about this young saint, and now you have provided an excellent introductory article about him. From my brief glance, the page looks very well written and objective, and has very nice illustrations/photos to make it visually interesting. It does not contain editorial commentary from you, but is rather based upon existing literature surrounding him. You have devoted a lot of hard work toward radically improving the content on several Wikipedia pages, and it shows. So feel confident about your contributions. Cheers, LotR 01:47, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

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