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Again, welcome! Rschen7754 20:20, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome Rs, I have started to document the road transportation system of Costa Rica, as it was completely missing from english Wikipedia. It will be a long personal project for probably many years, I'm starting with documenting current ongoing projects on the national primary route. Check my User:Roqz/sandbox for the current work in progress. Then I will add (and translate from spanish wikipedia) more structural and historical data for each route, and will publish when they are somewhat complete. Suggestions are welcome! Roqz (talk) 20:49, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

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@Kilographography: I don't understand why it is flagged as such, this an existing lake in Costa Rica, near two other lakes already linked in the article and sources were provided about it. Location in OSM Roqz (talk) 20:15, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Sorry about that false speedy deletion nomination. It was placed by either a totally clueless newbie or a deliberately disruptive user. There was nothing wrong with your article and thank you for writing it. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:37, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

P.S. If you get bored with writing about lakes, I was surprised to find we have no article on Costa Rica National Parks or Bosque Alegre Wildlife Refuge. Turn the red links to blue, maybe? -- MelanieN (talk) 20:39, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@MelanieN: Thanks for your support with the lake issue! Hehe, yes, I have been writing about road routes, volcanoes and lakes here in Costa Rica, too little documentation and much work to do! We do have a couple of articles related to our national parks, List of national parks of Costa Rica and National System of Conservation Areas, I think we can move/redirect the first one to Costa Rica National Parks or do a bit of copyediting and merge those two? There are tens of wildlife refugees here too, and very little information, I could start a list and work from that -- Roqz (talk) 20:59, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Great! So the information is here in the 'pedia, just not at the name I was looking under. Yes, a few redirects should take care of that problem. (BTW I have visited probably 50 or 60 countries - I love to travel - and the only country other than Canada where I have thought "I could live here!" was Costa Rica. Pura vida!) -- MelanieN (talk) 21:31, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@MelanieN: Hi again! I did the homework, over the past few days I have been moving and creating stubs with the protected areas, I think I have covered all the current ones, at least those on the official SINAC (governing body) site. In National System of Conservation Areas you can see the conservation areas and inside each one is their corresponding listing, some are in red because those seem to be not current (deprecated or merged into another, private ones have to renew if they don't, those lose the status), an unofficial addition, or something else which I need to research. Today I created 80+ stubs with some data I have tabulated these days. About living here, I think it is a great country, we have done some good things over the years, with the current pandemic I think we luckily have some of the best possible scenarios in the world. There is a looooot of stuff to improve, though, but we are a developing country. We are very close to getting a nice commuter train, the one right now we say is like some milk cartons attached with a string and pulled over the street. :-) Roqz (talk) 02:41, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Good work! and thanks for the update. Even though there are millions of articles here, there are always missing areas where we need more. You have done a great job filling that gap. -- MelanieN (talk) 03:27, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

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@Hzh: thanks for pointing that out, had the idea the moving pages was only for not pre-existing target pages. Roqz (talk) 18:02, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

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@Hzh: Thanks a lot for the guidance, I have placed the request in Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Technical_requests Roqz (talk) 18:44, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

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@Imzadi1979: Thanks, will keep this reference! I already added all the primary highways, so I need to reclassify those on importance, but some are still stubs. Completely missed the stub usage! thought I was using it instead of start, a bit of wiki syntax dyslexia I guess. I have a draft/stub for the network here: National Road Network of Costa Rica (noticed your reclassification! great!), was planning on adding the list/table of routes there... A new article is warranted? I already use one for tracking relations in OSM:Costa Rica/Red Vial Nacional so I was planning on repurposing it with Wiki links and shields. Roqz (talk) 00:10, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

I'd say that depends. For example, Michigan State Trunkline Highway System is fully fleshed out with descriptions and history, so the lists are elsewhere. Pure Michigan Byway has both the description/history and the list because the list is short enough. Imzadi 1979 → 00:30, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Got it! I'll add the list to the main article for a while, when I get more information about history of the network and such I will fork the list to its own. Thanks! Roqz (talk) 00:48, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

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@Liz: Hi, thanks, please go ahead, I was doing some spelling correction: VáSquez -> VáZquez all over Wikipedia regarding this locality, Vázquez de Coronado, the issue now is which one is more concise and correct as per guidelines? Category:People from Vázquez de Coronado or Category:People from Vázquez de Coronado (canton), as there is only one place called Vázquez de Coronado. Please proceed accordingly, I was thinking on moving to the one without (canton) --Roqz (talk) 19:49, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

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COVID-19 pandemic in Costa Rica

In this edit, what is your source for the additional figures, and why were several figures retroactively changed? As far as I know, the Ministry of Health has chosen not to publish any report on certain weekends. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 00:37, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

@LSGH: Hi, I used the CSV files available at the official OGES/M.Salud site. It is true that they don't publish on certain dates, but the daily data is still published when they post those CSV/Excel files. --Roqz (talk) 16:14, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. That was also the page that I saw several months ago. However, I did not know where the daily figures could be found, and I did not know what to do with that map, so I used this page instead, where it was easier for me to look for those figures. If that is the case, then are they publishing the data for weekends every Monday? LSGH (talk) (contributions) 02:58, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

@LSGH:That's right, on Monday they publish the aggregate in those files. I generated the charts from "Datos generales de casos COVID-19" file link near the bottom (the map is not very useful, agree), lots of information on those files, for open data and analytics that site is as far as they will go. Also, the retroactive changes happens all the time, I try to update monthly some of the maps/charts for both here and Spanish Wikipedia and there are always changes from weeks/months ago when publishing. Probably they find data on napkins around the lab, dunno. I just use the latest dataset they provide, they are the official source after all. Thanks a lot for keeping tabs and updating CR data and all of the other countries, really appreciate it. --Roqz (talk) 04:05, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Welcome and Merry Christmas! :) At least those cases are still accounted for. It's probably why that happens in some other templates more frequently. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 10:19, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi again. Is it possible to remove the Wikidata code from the article? It appears that the figures from Wikidata are still one day late. I do not know if it can be updated by someone there, but I think it would be better if the figures will still be updated manually. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 09:36, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

@LSGH: Sure, go ahead, I was testing using a new bot (wikidata:User:CovidDatahubBot) that has been populating those Wikidata entries for a lot of countries (wikidata:Special:Contributions/CovidDatahubBot), they take the data from John Hopkins for many countries, and they in turn update every three days or so for Costa Rica from the same sources we were using. I just thought it would make life easier and the delay would be acceptable-ish, it can be applied for all those countries as well. In Spanish the equivalent article is abandoned, so I tried there first, but their Wikidata query template implementation is not optimized and runs out of memory when using the text in the article (but the infobox does work...), so I tried here in English. Thanks for reviewing/checking the change and updating our stats! :) --Roqz (talk) 17:49, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! I don't think all of the countries that are updated by the bot release figures on a daily basis, so the delay could be understood. I haven't encountered it yet until you pointed it out. Anyway, is there any reason why Costa Rica has been releasing figures twice a week only? LSGH (talk) (contributions) 02:06, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

@LSGH: Seems like since March they do so just on Tuesday and Friday, no idea why, maybe exhaustion: [1]. I also found the bot recently when I was trying to update that Wikidata data and it was already there, because in Spanish Wikidata is used a lot more, particularly in infoboxes, than in English. I like the idea a lot, keeps the articles in sync across languages and now in this pandemic, it is updated automatically by that bot. Very modern! Maybe with Lua and some queries, the stats charts can also be generated automatically, I'll try to play with that in some weeks... months... :) --Roqz (talk) 15:20, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

It looks like they are reporting figures more frequently again. Hopefully, the situation there does not get any worse. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 00:36, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Strange editions

Sorry but, why are you making such strange borderline vandalic editions by removing correct information that certain parties are effectively represented on the parliament of Costa Rica? --Dereck Camacho (talk) 01:42, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@Dereck Camacho: Hi! There was a lengthy chat about it in Spanish Wikipedia here, so I moved ahead and replicated the changes here. As a matter of fact, and as per the properly cited references I added in the changes, those legislators are and will continue to be independent (please check the references: "Histórico de diputadas y diputados por fracción" (in Spanish). Asamblea Legislativa República de Costa Rica. Retrieved 11 January 2021."DIPUTADO INDEPENDIENTE RODRÍGUEZ STELLER" (in Spanish). Asamblea Legislativa República de Costa Rica. Retrieved 11 January 2021.), the Nueva Republica bloc is not acknowledged as a fraction and all their members are independents as per the directory of the assembly. I know, I know… That is the politically and legal side, and that in practice they work as part of non-elected parties in the last election, which is the origin of the misunderstanding by most people. I modified the articles to reflect just that and added footnotes as required. I'm fine with your reversions, I know I did my part to state the current and properly referenced state of affairs, is up to you if you want to use Wikipedia to propagate a popular misunderstanding and political stance that is incorrect. I just urge you to add sources that state such fact from the Asamblea Legislativa when you do so. This is a collaborative site, after all, but not an opinion forum. --Roqz (talk) 02:06, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer Roqz. I don't know what went on on Spanish Wikipedia but whatever it was decided there can't be just automatically extrapolated here. I see your argument however things are very different in English Wikipedia. For starters here is the custome that parliamentary articles actually present the actual representation of parties disregarding electoral results. When a Republican congressman became Libertarian this was updated to be showed in the article of the congress of the United States, same in the Bundestag when several AfD members quite or move to another party, same in the Turkish Grand National Assembly. It will be unprecedented to not do the same with Costa Rica.

Election articles do show the actual election results, but parliamentary articles show the actual representation. Might be a matter of translation as in English is the parties that are represented which is a key word with a very particular meaning. Also at least in English an Independent politician has a whole different meaning as literally means someone partyless.

In any case, before making such radical changes I think you should at the very list find some consensus on the talk pages or globally in one of the main pages, maybe Legislative Assembly of Costa Rica. Regards. --Dereck Camacho (talk) 02:17, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

PD: Just to add a little bit to the issue, is probably the difference between parties represented and elected. In English at least for example New Republic certainly has no deputies elected but it does have deputies representing it, is by far not an unrepresented party. --Dereck Camacho (talk) 02:23, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@Dereck Camacho:I understand your points, but I personally don't know the legislation or procedures in the USA or Turkey for doing such party changes, however I know those of CR and the official source of reference and the current regulations still state that a party member that declares himself independent, will stay as such, and can't join another party, just return to their original one as elected by popular vote in elections, therefore independents are the actual representation, not their current affiliation. That is reflected in the references I quoted above. For example, in a reversion you stated that "for some reason user Roqz seems to think PNG does not has a deputy", well PNG doesn't and I do know why :), and I actually added the reference that Rodríguez Steller is an independent as per the directory (here is another reference). I still think that official sources and references supersede over language differences.

I agree that I went ahead very harshly, I usually do so with CR topics as the WikiProject Costa Rica is as good as dead, so I will just leave some comments in the discussion pages with the proper sources. It really worries me that Wikipedia doesn't reflect the legal state of affairs, but I don't like to participate in edit wars. I leave it in your hands, I know that I provided the "needed citations". :) --Roqz (talk) 02:49, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

I also see your point and I'm glad you're comprehensive. I still think there's a difference between unelected (which is what the NR deputies are) and unrepresented but that can be argued on the page. Also maybe the term "independents" might be missleading, maybe the more accurate translate for the caucus of bench is "non-inscrits" but that's a discussion for other moment. Best regards. --Dereck Camacho (talk) 03:40, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@Dereck Camacho: I think that part of the issue is the false rhetoric of PNR of continuing to try to be recognized as a party/fraction, a kind of fake it till you make it, which has permeated to the popular opinion and PNG and Dolanescu with his Costa Rica Justa also want a ride in that train too. I also have the notion that there is a clear legal distinction in some law somewhere that states that only elected parties can represent the will of the people (the vote is for a party, not a specific person), and so there can be representation only by elected parties, and so those legislators that quit their party can only be independents or return, and in the end, for all and any activity that the independents do, they still have to sign it as independents, so it doesn't matter at all if they represent PNR, PNG, PCRJ, it ends being just a sticker/label they apply to themselves with no legislative value. But I don't have that specific source at hand (I think it was a commentary on the news), and I'm not a constitutional lawyer. I already left comments in the articles I changed. --Roqz (talk) 04:02, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

PAC official flag

Hi. Not that the switch of flags to svg is not a good idea, however it should be notice that PAC's official flag is this, and as you can see it has the acronym in the left side. --Dereck Camacho (talk) 15:13, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

@Dereck Camacho: So suddenty now we refer to official sources? :) "I will dispute that your source of the TSE is valid" with this pictures: [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] --Roqz (talk) 15:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

I have never disregarded official sources. I disregard your strange interpretation that the Legislative Assembly or the TSE can say that a deputy can not belong to a particular party if he wants to. But if we go for the pics your placing as the correct flag then the yellow tone is wrong, the one in the pics is clearly yellow while the one in your svg file is of a darker tone, almost orange. So it is still wrong. --Dereck Camacho (talk) 15:36, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

It is OK, give me the official-ish hex code of the colors of the PAC flag and I will fix the SVG, as those are pictures, there is a gamut of yellows to choose from, I just used the one from their current logo and websites. As for the Legislative Assembly, come on man, there is a Reglamento de la Asamblea Legislativa, in Capitulo II, Article 7bis, Parliamentary Fractions (not parties) is the summary of the issue, legislators can be of any party, but not of unelected fractions, the AL is composed of parliamentary fractions. That's all. After the discussion over at Wikipedia Español and here I added a lengthy and properly cited section with "invalid" sources such as TSE, Sala Constitucional, Constitución Política and the Servicios Tecnicos of the AL. I can translate that section to English if required. It is not my strange interpretation neither an "original research without references" as it stands here. --Roqz (talk) 15:50, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Ok let me put it this wat. If Jonathan Prendas, who was elected deputy in the Restauración Nacional ticket, regisns his party. Which certainly I agree he is for all purposes part of the independent caucus (fracción independiente) and he goes to the Nueva República headquarsters in his after work hours time I suppose, and signs the form for affiliation to the Nueva República party, and he holds office in the Nueva República structure and takes parts in its assemblies and meetings in the weekends and nights. So we can not say that he is a member of Nueva República? That makes no sense. He certainly is just part of the independent caucus but he is also a member of the Nueva República party. Be the two things is not mutually excluyent.

And yes I will gladly, thank you. --Dereck Camacho (talk) 15:57, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Sure, just ping me when you have the hex color code. So, sadly for Prendas, the AL is composed only of Parliamentary Fractions which can be made up only by elected parties, if he resigned PRN, then he is just an independent, with plenty of "disputed" sources to back that up :). That he is individually part of PNR, is another thing. Sure, they aren't mutually exclusive, but is a logical fallacy to say it is same thing. So, stating that he is an independent legislator and personally part of PNR is what should be presented to the readers. Not that PNR/PNG are fractions, that is against the constitution, electoral code, and rules of the AL. --Roqz (talk) 16:54, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Again, the sources are not disputed (at least not by me), your interpretation is disputed, although you have not provide yet the sources that confirm that is "inconstitutional" or that the TSE agrees, only the AL's reglament of which your interpretation is flawed. No one is saying anywhere that Prendas belong to the Nueva Republica faction, all the changes you did where when the party that he belonged was mentioned, not the faction that he belongs. --Dereck Camacho (talk) 17:06, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Here are the sources cited within: es:Asamblea Legislativa de Costa Rica#Diputados independientes and es:Asamblea Legislativa de Costa Rica#Fracciones parlamentarias, including quotations by the Sala Constitucional stating the role of fractions. Regarding the AL articles itself, then would you agree to replace the mentions of parties with the proper fractions? That's what the AL is made of, after all. --Roqz (talk) 17:18, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

I think that the best option is to mention both, the fractions and the parties as both are of interest. However before any change it would be better to discussed it on the talk page and reach consensus as I can't speak for other users and Maho and CDLCR also had their opinions. --Dereck Camacho (talk) 17:27, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

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