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I don't see any objection to a merge, but it didn't make any sense to me to prod it. Thanks for the comment. Georgewilliamherbert 00:05, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
RE:Alexander Litvinenko
editI don't understand how his birth date is one of the two, could'nt you find out the "real date"
Some more citations in Early lifefew references with space after puncuation, [5], [14]Way too many external links, if you use any as a reference remove them
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Once you have dealt with these issues give me a message and i will take a look. However, with the current event banner it will not be a GA, if its about the poisoning not much need for it. M3tal H3ad 13:00, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
- I think there's still too many ext links, perhaps ask someone else. Also in the poisoning paragraph the one about January 20 there's an external jump that needs to be converted into a ref. M3tal H3ad 01:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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Murder of Tom ap Rhys Pryce
editHey good work on the article, your putting me to shame. Oh well, so now that its up to GA status, i was thinking do you think we could bring it to FA status.--FabioTalk 22:57, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
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Litvinenko photograph
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Thanks for your help with getting this article past A-Class review, especially finding those web sources for me, a couple were very useful and the others helped corroborate and expand the remembrance section. I'm gonna submit this to FAC in the next few days just to see how it does, if ou have any further comments then please let me know and I'll address them. Thanks again.--Jackyd101 01:31, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Proposed Wikipedia talk:Notability (news)
editIn the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Murder of Tom ap Rhys Pryce in which you participated, some editors suggested the need for a guideline where a consensus could be reached regarding whether everything which is newsworthy is also encyclopedic. I have created a draft of a proposed guideline Wikipedia talk:Notability (news). Your input is welcome. Thanks. Edison 15:22, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
BAE Systems GA comments
editThanks very much for those. You're right about citing the products and joint venture sections, I assumed common knowledge but in hindsight statements like "Its Hawk advanced jet trainer aircraft has been widely exported." do need citations. Regarding "Do we know anything about BAE's future?" - I'll have a think about it, however at the moment all that I can think of would border on original research.
As for "Make sure dates and units use adhere to the WP:MOS and keep footnotes after punctuation" - was that just a general reminder or did you notice a few problems? That was one of the major pieces of cleanup I did after the last FAC and later comments on the talk page.
Thanks again for your help. Mark83 18:35, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
George Calvert
editJust wanted to say thanks for the peer review on George Calvert, 1st Baron Blatimore. Mocko13 15:26, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Could use the proferred help in 'Britifying' the spelling on the article whenever you get the chance. Mocko13 02:10, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your help! Let me buy you a beer... Mocko13 13:02, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Sorry about that
editYou and I were evidently reverting the same article--you just got to it first, which made my edit re-insert the vandalism. Justin Eiler 18:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Those are good questions. You are allowed to include spoilers. My standard explanation about the mini-synopses is to write a good, short paragraph that sums up the plot. If that includes spoilers then so be it. Just make sure to add {{spoiler}} at the top. If you want to use the existing books for inline citations you can simply include Harvard style citations inside the ref tags. If you aren't familiar with that style it is (last_name page_#). When you have two books by the same author include the year of publication. For instance you coulde use <ref>Croft (2003), 46</ref>. As for the unofficial website I'm not too sure, you'll probably want to ask around more. I don't have a problem because it just gives the episode titles and broadcast order, there's nothing that would need to be additionally confirmed. Since there's no official list, there would only be two ways to replace it: DVD liner notes (don't know if there are those with this show) or getting every issue of a TV Guide style magazine with every original broadcast, which no one would expect you to do. Hope that helps. Jay32183 19:40, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
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Copyediting Dragons of Winter Night
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Edit warring
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Thanks
editThank-you, I am cautious of the 3RR. Community action is always best in these circumstances! There appears to be a history of this type of contribution. Jhamez84 00:26, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Beechcraft 1900
editHi, RHB, and thank you.
I will try to do so. This is an area I am just learning, so my efforts might be incomplete. In the next week, I will try to tackle this. If you see me going down the wrong track, just let me know. Best. 69.19.14.35 02:15, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
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Can you help me?
editHi, there has been this guy on the Dr.Eggman article who's been typing in false facts in the article. Every time I change it, he changes it back. I've been trying to talk with him for a long time, but he completely ignores me, and even when I ask him to provide proof for what he's writing, he still ignores me. Could you tell me how to ban him? Thanks. 207.224.61.246 04:24, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
List of Dad's Army episodes - a little something
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Re: Deletion of pages
editYou told me on my talk page to contact you here if I had any questions about the criteria for notability of an artist/band.
It seems to me that I'd written a perfectly good article; not only had I given detailed and accurate information about the band, I had also made a claim to their notability. On the Notability (music) page, the following is said:
Important note: Failing to satisfy the notability guidelines is not a criterion for speedy deletion. An article that fails to even claim that the subject of the article is notable can be speedily deleted under criterion A7, however. A mere claim of notability, even if contested, may avoid deletion under A7 and require a full Article for Deletion process to determine if the subject of the article is notable.
I would take this to mean that at least some thought would be given, before the page was mercilessly deleted, given that a suitable claim to notability had been made. I made such a claim (the creation of a new genre of music) and yet the page was deleted, without explanation.
If there were any other criteria the article did not fulfill, please inform me of them, so I can improve the article.
A speedy reply would be much appreciated. Byntje 10:46, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Adoption
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Bernard van Orley
editOn 15 March 2007 you assessed the article Bernard van Orley and gave it a B. At that time the article was only half-finished. Now that I have finished it at last, I kindly request you to look at it again, re-assess it and perhaps copyedit it, as I'm not a native English speaker. This article is now probably the most comprehensive biography of Bernard van Orley available on the internet, as most other sites only repeat the same few biographic details over and over again without thorough research. Thanks in advance. JoJan 18:58, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
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The Met
editI changed the copyright tag because I am against the notices at the top of articles, which has nothing to do with the article itself. Read this and you will see why.
If you want to request unprotection you should go to the Wikipedia:Requests for page protection#Current requests for unprotection
Sorry i could not be of anymore help
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Honours of Winston Churchill
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editHi, when I created that list, I made sure that all the names which are linked on it link to the correct person and I also checked as far as I could for any on the list who already had pages under different names and I linked those to the list (although it is possible I missed some). The list does not include any persons awarded the Edward Medal, the Albert Medal or the Empire Gallantry Medal, all of which were united with the George Cross in 1972. I would suggest that all persons on the list are notable; the George Cross is the most senior award avaliable to British and Commonwealth military or civilians when not in the face of the enemy (for which the Victoria Cross is used). At the time of the award of these medals, they would all have attacted press interest, and all are included in books covering the George Cross thus are the subject of published sources. Thanks for your interest, if you have any more questions please let me know.--Jackyd101 20:03, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Ataturk rating
editOh dear, have I hurt your feelings? Sorry about that, don't take it too personally. However, the point is that there are so many A-class rated articles for the WPBiography project, and many of them don't even come close. So I have taken it upon me to assess if these articles are really A-class, and the first part of it is whether they violate any Wikipedia guidelines. If so, that is an automatic downgrade, and I even added pointers as to why they were downgraded. Now I don't see how that is deflating for the main editors. These articles don't follow the guidelines as they are supposed to when they are rated A-class; it's as simple as that.
Apparently you have seen my list of criteria, and I wouldn't say they are trivial reasons. They are all reasons why these articles won't succeed as a Featured Article Candidate. As for the Ataturk rating: how many references there are, I don't really care about. It's the unsourced statements that bother me, and in the Ataturk article, there are simply too many. I don't think you'll believe me when I say this, so I've gone ahead and put in a few examples of statements I want to see referenced. I am not a fan of these tags, as I find they distract from reading, so I would have preferred if the writers came up with more references themselves.
Oh, and by the way: you're wrong about references only being needed where they are likely to be challenged. Only when statements are absolutely common knowledge, such as water is wet, references are not needed. Otherwise, it will be difficult to assess whether statements are original research or not. So sometimes 20 references are enough, and on other occasions 58 are not enough. Sorry again. Errabee 22:34, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I don't expect much opposition for the criteria I've set. If you look at the text of what an A-class article should be, it clearly states that a picture is needed. The Good Article criteria require that all pictures should be appropriately tagged, and if fair use is asserted, a fair use rationale needs to be stated. Another criterion for GA is the Manual of Style, and in particular the Article lead guideline. I think this covers at least the first three criteria I've set, and most if not all downgraded articles fail one or more of these criteria. In fact, I should have stripped some articles from the GA-status they have due to these concerns, but I found that too much. I'll return to compiling my list. Errabee 23:02, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- The list has been compiled and posted. Errabee 00:18, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
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A-class review request
editIt seems User:Michkalas has stumbled on my testpages for the A-class review department, and has submitted Leonard Orban for review. I'd appreciate your opinion (support or oppose) and reasons on Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/A-class review/Leonard Orban. Thanks! Errabee 15:42, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
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The "bad faith" issue on the AfD
editPlease see here where Kitty states that he forced the AfD]] therefore it was not a bad faith nomination. I am happy for you to !vote keep but I would appriciate if you please now strike through that section of the statement.--Vintagekits 23:03, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
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Hovhannes Bagramyan
editI'm sorry for having missed the "Sexy Army" vandalism on Hovhannes Bagramyan during my reverts and then causing an editing conflict when I attempted to change it. I was to focused on removing the Weird Al picture while preserving some of the valid edits that had taken place.--YanA 17:58, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
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London postal districts
editEvery time they are nominated for deletion they get saved with (what I consider to be) poor reasoning. It is as if it has been suggested that the actual area should be erased from existence. I find it totally irrational as the articles have been stubs for ages and have no hope of being expanded. I was tempted to start a discussion sub page, with a list of suggestions for each postcode article (i.e. keep, redirect etc.). However, the strength of opinion seems so strong to keep "as is" I am minded just to leave things. I think you sometimes have to respect the opinions of people even if you are convinced the rationale of their opinion is flawed. It isn't the end of the world if the articles remain. MRSC • Talk 22:41, 16 May 2007 (UTC)