User talk:Nlu/archive42

Arrrggh!

...oh never mind. I had a question here about Wuchang, Hubei but I give up. The history of its name is as convoluted as a bowl of noodles. :-) Thanks anyhow. :-) Ling.Nut!

Yes it is. The place name of "Wuchang" moved around a lot, but generally, during the period you're concerned about, it was in Ezhou. --Nlu (talk) 20:33, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Goguryeo

An anonymous IP is making unilateral changes to Goguryeo repeatedly without any discussions whatsoever. Can you please semi-protect Goguryeo to prevent anonymous IPs editing the article, or ban this anonymous IP? Cydevil38 01:25, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Done. --Nlu (talk) 05:09, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

"Sprotected" maybe fine. But it would be an admin abuse to block the IP user. The IP has participated in zh.wikisource with good faith intention demonstrated. I inspected his/her input and found no problem except some missing characters. In en.wikipedia, I talked with the anonymous IP in Talk:Goguryeo and saw no problem with the reliable sources he/she added. User:Cydevil38 didn't take part in the Talk:Goguryeo discussion at all. Twenty-Four Histories and Samguk Sagi are by definition authoritative reliable sources, see Image_talk:Goguryeo-Relations-inEnglish.jpg#The_reason_why_canonical_history_records_are_reliable_sources for discussions. User:Cydevil38 failed to show up in the discussion for more than 2 months, and this irresponsible behavior means that he has no right to block authoritative reliable sources.--Jiejunkong 07:01, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I did not block the IP, and that IP was indeed refusing to discuss edits (as well as making unsupported edits that are grammatically and punctuationally incorrect). There is no real way to date the Yuzhoushu, in particular, and if he/she had a scholastically supported date for it, he/she should cite it. --Nlu (talk) 15:35, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

"Yizhoushu" is not a canonical record. It is not clear whether it is a reliable source. But blocking canonical records like "Twenty-Four Histories" or "Zizhi Tongjian" would be too incivil and offensive. Since two months ago, I have stucked in User:Cydevil38's blocking of canonical records. I tried several times to present original wikipolicy texts to talk about this issue. Even by now, he refuses to accept the canonical records as reliable sources, using various reasons (note that no original wikipolicy texts are quoted in his reasons). Unfortunately, his reasons are very unclear and elusive. I cannot understand what exactly he is trying to say. I find nowhere to start the discussion but to ask him to explain his reasons clearly based on original wikipolicy, but then he runs away. But he appears again to delete the contents when the canonical records are added back. Then I think we are going back to the scratch line. It is kind of frustrating, I have to admit.--Jiejunkong 20:03, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

FYI, User:Cydevil38 runs away again. In Talk:Goguryeo#zh.wikisource has the reliable sources you mentioned, he said "I'll refrain from engaging in the discussion", then disappeared. No original wikipolicy text has been quoted by him.--Jiejunkong 20:40, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

FYI, User:Cydevil38 appears again and is enforcing Korean romanization in Goguryeo. He has reverted the article for the third time. I haven't seen a wikipolicy saying that in Goguryeo a Chinese word like 丸都 must use Korean romanization and its Chinese romanization (i.e., Pinyin) MUST be removed. --Jiejunkong 05:49, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you on this issue, and I've reverted it and revised it slightly to comply with WP:MOS-ZH. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. --Nlu (talk) 10:52, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for enforcing the wikirule WP:MOS-ZH.--Jiejunkong 21:44, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Thank you. --Nlu (talk) 22:20, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

The issue is not solved even after related wikirules are shown. I have initiated a talk Wikipedia_talk:Translation#Romanization_of_Chinese_characters to solve the case by creating a more specific rule on this matter.--Jiejunkong 00:15, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

RfC on Jiejunkong

Hello, I just offered an outside view on the dispute here and it definitely seems like this fight has been going on for a long time.

I saw that you were an administrator and knowledgable in this area of history and thought it would be most appropiate to suggest on your talk page.

I suggest an RfC be filed again (if possible) against Jiejunkong on his incivility. Even though the RfC should be conducted in a neutral and civil way, it certainly is not, and editors from both sides have long, drawn out attacks against each other.

However, seeing Jiejunkong's conduct there is what I see as simply rude. Regardless of the policies and rules that apply, he crossed out my comment towards his response as a sign of disrespect, simply because I disagree with him.

It is obvious that he is unable to communicate effectively (he uses weird words like "technical response" which I done get) with everyone else and his comments are downright rude. He completely disregards my outside comment and other comments because I only know "partial knowledge" of the subject. I find this extremely disrespectful and considering how Wikipedia strives for good fait and civility, I find his attitude to be the complete opposite.

I hope, as an administrator, you will act neutrally and fairly. I'm sure you have all this time and the subject itself is loaded with POV, so it must be hard to deal with it. Is it possible to file two RfC's? Thank you. Mr. Killigan 11:17, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I didn't do any incivil thing against you. What I said to you are all technical questions and responses. They are quite straight-forward, but nothing is out of the technical contexts. On the contrary, you constantly quote bad faith things to blame the other party. Your response is not technical at all, full of random things that are unrelated to the subject.--Jiejunkong 11:55, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

BTW, it seems that you are offended by words like "technical response". This is quite unexpected by me. "Technical" means presenting factual knowledge and physical proofs (e.g., from verifiable sources) to present your arguments. It is not an offensive word, but an engineering word. An encyclopedia is the place to present technically verifiable facts, not non-technical ad hominem attacks against the other party.--Jiejunkong 11:59, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I think this will explain my responses more clearly: "Technical" == "Nothing personal". That is, check the facts only and don't get personal.--Jiejunkong 20:49, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Also the RFC regulation says that, after you signed your signature in the "Outside view" section, you cannot write in the "Response" section. Please read the instructions in the "Response" section more carefully. If you don't know how to handle RFC properly, please don't blame me for your wrongdoings. Now it is me being offended by you.--Jiejunkong 12:04, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Incivility is wrong, even if it isn't against the person complaining about the incivility. Please try to be civil. (Mr. Killigan, I would indeed refile it if I have the time to investigate thoroughly -- but I don't right now.) --Nlu (talk) 15:36, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, that leaves me nothing else to say. Mr. Killigan 03:06, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and Nlu, if you don't have time to read through, I'll summarize for you. Jiejunkong's negative attitude is largely creating the problem. Whats worse is that he doesn't understand english enough to communicate effectively. Here he says that WP:AGF doesn't apply to what I'm saying because my comments are "technical". He claims he uses this kind of response at his work, something that is irrevelant to Wikipedia.

WP:AGF doesn't apply to Wikipedia because of "technical responses"? Who says? Jiejunkong doesn't make the rules and I could point out a number of these kinds of comments Jiejunkong makes.

Note that you are the only administrator working here, and this problem doesn't require much time for you to fix. Its clear who is wrong and its clear who needs to stop what they are doing. Mr. Killigan 03:21, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

To User:Mr. Killigan, my response to you so far is purely technical (i.e., arguments based on verifiable facts and history records), I don't carry any personal issues in the response. Technically speaking, you have not considered canonical records like Twenty-Four Histories, which are similar to the Bible for east Asia history research. By professional standards, it is an incomplete knowledge if these canonical records are missing. (Here the term "These" and "technical" referred to my response, not yours. So far your response is not technical in my opinion. Thus I have not used the term "technical" to refer to your responses.)--Jiejunkong 20:29, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't disagree, but I think the situation is bigger than just Jiujunkong. I am reluctant to carry out any one-sided actions without major, major misbehavior. I don't approve of Jiujunkong's behavior, but particularly when I'm actually fairly busy, I don't believe that I can personally handle this in a fair manner. --Nlu (talk) 03:33, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Rfc deletion

After reading a few posts like these few [1] [2] [3], this guy named User talk:Guss2 are obviously a layman over the subject on Shiliuguo Chunqiu who wished to rely on the outdated research (1945). How can I deleted the ludicrous and trivial Rfc like the one filed on me by Ghirla? If that can't be done, would you mind to help me on filing a Rfc on Ghirla too? Eiorgiomugini 15:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

You can't really delete a RfC, but if it's meritless, it won't go anywhere. Meanwhile, as I alluded to above, I'm actually too busy to do much on this right now. --Nlu (talk) 03:37, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Help us Nlu

I know you enjoy Three Kingdoms history Nlu, so I was wondering if you could join Wikipedia:WikiProject Three Kingdoms/Members. If you don't want to thats fine, and I'm nit trying to advertise, I simply think you would be a great addition, being you know a lot about the era and you a re a administrator of wikipedia. So please if you will, help us out, nobody has joined since me weeks ago. --EveryDayJoe45 23:11, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, Ling.Nut informed me you already told him you couldn't join. Its okay I just thought you would be a good addition to the cause. --EveryDayJoe45 23:18, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your invitation. --Nlu (talk) 03:29, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

China 200 census

I've been googling for a while now. No luck. Do you know if China's population broken down by all 56 nationalities from the 2000 census is available online? Thanks Ling.Nut 07:03, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll try to see tomorrow. My guess is no. --Nlu (talk) 06:06, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I can't find anything that broke down by 56 ethnicities or anything even remotely close. All I could find was a breakdown of Han and non-Han.[4] --Nlu (talk) 05:13, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I was just thinking that List of ethnic groups in China is looking more than a little neglected. The primary source seems to be this page. In addition to being seriously reliability–challenged, it's also of indeterminate age (but unquestionably outdated). Ling.Nut 13:09, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

unblocking?

On February 14, 2007, the Dynasty Warriors 6 page was deleted and protected, however it has just been announced. http://ps3.ign.com/articles/805/805629p1.html. As you can see when i found out about this news and checked the Dynasty Warriors page, i found my way to the protected DW6 page. So I was just wandering, what can you do to restore it now that it has been deleted and protected, but there is solid proof it is in production?--Hellothere89 03:54, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Probably the best thing to do is to go to WP:DRV. Thanks. --Nlu (talk) 06:07, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

In light of the recent announcements from Koei, it would be a good idea to unprotect the article from re-creation, but I would not like to see the deleted content restored (since they were a bunch of crap). Since in this case I'm not actually seeking to restore deleted content, would I still need to go through deletion review? _dk 03:27, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

To be on the safe side, I do think a deletion review should still be done. You can specify that what you want is for the content to remain deleted but protection to be lifted. --Nlu (talk) 03:44, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Golden Wiki Award

For unfailing dedication, keen insight and pleasant demeanor, and for exceptional contributions to all topics related to China, this Golden Wiki is awarded to Nlu from the following members of WP:3K:   _dk, EveryDayJoe45, Gamer Junkie, Ling.Nut, PericlesofAthens, Sarazyn and Wizardman. Bon courage! 

--Ling.Nut 03:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, guys! I appreciate it greatly. I've been very busy lately and therefore haven't been able to edit much, and I appreciate the cheering up. --Nlu (talk) 05:13, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Congradulations, Nlu! Not many people get the Golden Wiki award. I know that User:Angela got one in 2006. Anyways, is there anyway to finalize the Rfc? Like, concluding that Jiejunkong & Assault11 be banned from making disputes in Korea-relate articles so that later we can use the Rfc as a reference? I'll post the same thing on the Rfc. Thx. (Wikimachine 03:50, 22 July 2007 (UTC))

I believe that is beyond the scope of RfC; a request for arbitration has to be brought. --Nlu (talk) 04:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Admin Nlu, then what could I aim for from the Rfc? Thanks.(Wikimachine 04:41, 22 July 2007 (UTC))

An RfC is basically a mechanism through which a consensus about the user's behavior can be reached, so that one of two things can result:

1. That the person changes his/her behavior, realizing that the behavior has problems; or
2. If the person does not change his/her behavior, that a strong case is laid for sanctions during RfAr.

So, that's what the RfC aims for -- a discussion on the person's behavior and how he/she can improve. If the person doesn't improve, that's when RfAr might be called for. --Nlu (talk) 15:11, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Language styles in China

Hello, Nlu. I was just wondering if you know which English style is officially taught in China. British English or American English, any idea? Gamer Junkie 08:30, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

That I don't know -- although I suspect American. I know it's not your question, but the situation may be similar to Taiwan, where British English was taught until about 30 years ago, when it switched over to American. --Nlu (talk) 16:18, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. Guess I'll have to dig deeper. Gamer Junkie 03:55, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

!

there is an article that I think should be deleted, as I have never heard of such thing. I searched on the internet and looked through some references in the library, but there is no mention of such. please!!! can you delete it? Odst 00:45, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I suggest first asking Kprideboi to provide sources; if he won't, submit it for deletion. --Nlu (talk) 02:11, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:People of the Three Kingdoms

Template:People of the Three Kingdoms has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — _dk 22:52, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

PHG in An Lushan

Hi, would you mind sharing your own opinion over the ongoing disccsion on the An Lushan talk page. The issue had been solved by me through a compromise, but this guy now wanted to bring up another quarrel whether Kang should be linked to Kangju. What's your opinion on this? It should be noted that my source did not stated An Lushan was from Kangju, and there's a absence of any proof that they were connected, Kang wasn't a nomadic state like Kangju, and according to Tan Qixiang's map, the Kangju was situated far away from the Kang under Tang atlas section. Furthermore, the terminology Tiaozhi which refered to western Parthia around Gulf Sea during the Han was even used to refer region from Transoxiana and Bactria by the times of Tang based upon to my sources. Eiorgiomugini 05:07, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I will give my two cents. Thanks for alerting me to the issue. --Nlu (talk) 05:36, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Mistake

I added a link on the ORG page which you deleted, I am telling you that that was not spam so could you please add it back because I worked very hard on the website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.11.45.206 (talk • contribs)

I don't know what you're talking about, but if you "worked very hard on the website," that would be a precise reason why you shouldn't add it. See WP:COI. --Nlu (talk) 01:29, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

An article to review

Hi Nlu! I noticed that you have made many contributions to topics about Chinese history. I was wondering if you could look at this article Kim Hambo created recently by User:Kprideboi. It is supposedly about "Shizu", sort of the ancestor of the founder of the Jurchen Jin Dynasty, 1115–1234, yet much of the contents displayed are the "disputed" informations that were often removed from the article itself and they are not referenced nor are they particularly well-written. Some of the claims, such as claiming the Jin Dynasty came from Kingdom of Silla, labeling the Jin Dynasty as "Kim Empire", the Korean name of the person itself... is quite out there. What do you think? Is the article going to create problems? Is it too biased?--TheLeopard 09:51, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

My feeling that it not only is disputed content (which may be OK assuming labelled correctly and properly qualified), but violates WP:MOS-ZH and WP:MOS-KO. --Nlu (talk) 15:23, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

So what do you suggest we do, I suppose re-writing the article would be too controversial or move the article to another one? Call other editors to assist?--TheLeopard 19:00, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I'd suggest rewriting the article, but if you think that's likely to lead to an edit conflict, discuss the matter on the talk page. Failing that, one thing I'd actually consider is to propose the article for deletion as a policy violation. --Nlu (talk) 05:20, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Chin Gee Hee

User:Ling.Nut has suggested that I contact you about Talk:Chin Gee Hee#Chinese sources and see if you could either follow up or know someone who could. At first he was skeptical about the ideographic form of the name, but this Google image search seems to leave little question. Or would there also be another ideographic transcription? I'm a little surprised not to find an article on this man in the Chinese Wikipedia. - Jmabel | Talk 22:31, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I've made a comment. Thanks for making me aware of this. As far as the lack of presence in Chinese Wikipedia is concerned, I imagine that's due to two factors: 1) Chinese Wikipedia's coverage isn't as wide as English Wikipedia (look at the differences in the number of articles) and 2) this man is really a Chinese American. --Nlu (talk) 23:02, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Not really. He made his original fortune in the US, but came back to China for the last 25 years of his life, where, as I understand it, he was the first Chinese entrepreneur to build a railway. - Jmabel | Talk 19:28, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Translation

If you have the time, could you please translate the following titles for me?

1. 奇取同盟录
2. 剿杀熊双飞
3. 联姻邈川关
4. 受困桃源山
5. 全歼赵都都
6. 除暴芒山道

Thanks. --Ghostexorcist 19:03, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, context is important, and these don't provide a great amount of context. Without further context, this is how I'd render them:

1. Obtaining the records of the alliance by trick. 2. Killing the two flying bears. 3. Marriage at Miaochuan Pass. 4. Trapped in Mount Taoyuan. 5. Being destroyed at the capital of Zhao. 5. Ending the tyranny on the Mount Mang road.

--Nlu (talk) 04:34, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

They are titles from various volumes of Zhou Tong's fictional biographical comic book. --Ghostexorcist 10:22, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Chin Gee Hee

Hi Nlu, I have an old friend who's working on Chin Gee Hee.. if you know anyone who is interested in any relevant topics (Seattle...railroads.. Chinese entrepreneurs) could you send them thataway? Thanks!Ling.Nut 01:26, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh wait, I didn't see the comments above :/ Ooops! Thanks for your help! Ling.Nut 03:27, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Qin Jiushao

Hi Nlu. Could you set a page protection under this article and redirect the page to Qin Jiushao? This guy had been using different ip over the past few days while restoring the redriect page Ch'in Chiu-Shao, I am sure he will be back under another ip. I am thinking he could a sock puppet of User:JarlaxleArtemis who created the article[5] under the initially redirect page. Eiorgiomugini 03:12, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Done. I would suggest that you discuss the matter further in Talk:Qin Jiushao just in case there is consensus for using Wade-Giles, for whatever reason. --Nlu (talk) 04:13, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll discuss with him when he comes again. Eiorgiomugini 04:32, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I was wrong, it seem I am dealing with a sort of elementary school child, would you mind to block him. Eiorgiomugini 05:59, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, blocks on roving IPs are difficult. If situation continues, it may be better to semi-protect the page. --Nlu (talk) 15:25, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Funny, as I was simply reverting a cut&paste vandal.--71.108.53.234 23:57, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Please read and abide by the policies in question. (If you disagree with the policies and believe that there is now going to be a consensus to change them, discuss on the appropriate talk page.) --Nlu (talk) 05:34, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Could you set a semi-protection on Qin Jiushao and Heron's formula. As you can probably see, this guy had already been back due to the miscalculation from a mathematician in less than a period of 24 hours. I am thinking the semi-protection is perhaps the only opinion to prevert any further editing war from him. Eiorgiomugini 14:52, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Done. --Nlu (talk) 14:57, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

WP:CVU status

The Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit project is under consideration to be moved to {{inactive}} and/or {{historical}} status. Another proposal is to delete or redirect the project. You have been identified as a project member and your input as to this matter would be welcomed at WT:CVU#Inactive.3F and at the deletion debate. Thank you! Delivered on behalf of xaosflux 16:32, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. --Nlu (talk) 23:12, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Jin Midi

I read your comments on how distressed you were at me writing an article from a Korean POV. I learned, yet again, another valuable lesson from that experience. You mentioned other articles that I had written "lately." Could you kindly tell me which articles these would be so that I could clearly point out that it is the result of the research of Korean historians and researchers? --Kprideboi 20:53, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

The one that there was another person who objected to was Biryu Baekje -- as currently, it is not sourced at all. But the thing is that the matter isn't whether it's from a Chinese viewpoint or a Korean viewpoint; the question is: is what you wrote supported by evidence? In this case, your version of the article (as Kim Iljae) was not only contradicted by Chinese sources, but simply do not fit with the Korean datings of Silla and Gaya's founding. --Nlu (talk) 23:05, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Guan Yu

While patrolling my watchlist, I see someone added a passage from the Romance of the Three Kingdoms on the Guan Yu page to describe his appearance. While I don't necessary agree with the addition that's not the cause of my concern yet. The problem is, in that passage the user A-cai used a template that shows pop-up messages when the cursor is on the text. The template seems to be newly-created by this user just for this purpose on the Guan Yu article...and is quite peculiar, I can't even phrase what's wrong with it. I guess the first thing I want to know is, is this sort of pop-up messages suitable on Wikipedia? _dk 12:59, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Pop-up message might be appropriate if the user in question had enabled it in personal settings, but certainly not generally. I'd say remove it. (However, it might be good for you to bring this up to WP:ANI and see what other administrators think as well.) --Nlu (talk) 18:10, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Notification of discussion: Guideline/policy governing lists

Given your extensive Wikipedia experience, I'd appreciate your input on the following:

User:Sidatio/Conversations/On list guidelines

Thank you in advance for any thoughts you may have on the topic. Sidatio 00:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I'll take a look when I get a chance. --Nlu (talk) 03:05, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Blind reverts

I notice you reverted my edits on March 30 (these days I'm inactive). You only claimed in my talk page that I had pushed POV. You neither left comments on the corresponding talk pages nor recognized your blind reverts brought back some obvious errors. I hope you will be more careful. Thank you. --Nanshu 00:09, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

You were edit warring, and your inability to recognize that does not bode well for your ability to stop that behavior. If you continue to do this, as well as to mischaracterize what I was doing, you won't do well as an editor. --Nlu (talk) 14:52, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Manchuria

Hi! There are extensive changes and edits in the Manchuria article. User Leavepower, Likes, and 211.59.108.42 added possible personal research and unverified statements to the history section. Majority of these added contents are very poorly written with bad prose and hard to understand sentences. The statements are also controversial. Could you help calm the page (maybe protection?) and help avoid an editing war.--Balthazarduju 07:50, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I would other than the fact that I'm pretty busy right now. I suggest asking for help on WP:AN/I. --Nlu (talk) 08:18, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Please suggest four or five good topics..

Hi Nlu, I've been saying for a while now that I want to help you out by contributing content to articles in your area of interest. In the near future, I'll still be in a phase of limited wiki-participation, due to a huge pile of real-life things that need to be done. I won't get around to actually writing much your stuff for several weeks probably, or even a month or two.. However, I will be spending a lot of time in the library in the next few weeks, and it's no extra trouble to pick up or order various resources while I'm there. It would be my pleasure to try to find as much info as I can and squirrel it away somewhere for a later day.

If possible, would you recommend four or five or six articles that fit this description:

1. They're near and dear to your heart, or somehow directly related to or significant within your area of interest.
2. They're woefully underdeveloped.
3. However, they are significant & meaty enough that you believe there will probably enough info in the library of a modest Midwestern University to beef up the article tremendously. :-)

Let me know what comes to mind! Later --Ling.Nut 14:35, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

:-) Thanks for asking me for advice on this, and I appreciate it. The ones that I can think of right off the top of my mind are:

1. Wu Zetian (although I am planning to try to expand it later myself, but there is so much about her that can be added...)
2. Li Cunxu (should be moved to Emperor Zhuangzong of Later Tang based on WP:MOS-ZH); may not be something you have sufficient access to resources on
3. Various Spring and Autumn and Warring States states; in my editing on Wikipedia, I effectively started in the Han Dynasty, even though there really is much to be added about htem.

That's all I can think of at the moment. I am flattered that you are asking me for suggestion on this. Thanks. --Nlu (talk) 14:31, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

POV fork of Hwando (fortress) from Wandu Mountain City

The article Hwando (fortress) created by User:Cydevil38 today could be a POV fork of Wandu Mountain City. Please join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Hwando_(fortress).--Jiejunkong 05:03, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I'd be happy to, but it doesn't look like you listed it properly. Please follow the directions at WP:AFD. --Nlu (talk) 05:32, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing it out. I've fixed it. Thanks again.--Jiejunkong 07:33, 24 August 2007 (UTC)