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Happy editing! Love of Corey (talk) 07:01, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Ander Puig moved to draftspace

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@Praxidicae: ??? Each of the sentences was already referenced. This is a totally arbitrary and unjustified measure. Kanskje ja (talk) 23:01, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Each sentence may very well be referenced but it doesn't mean the references establish notability. CUPIDICAE💕 13:28, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

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Robert McClenon (talk) 04:32, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Heartstopper

Hey there, fellow bisexual here. I understand your sentiment about the Heartstopper article specifying Charlie's sexuality, however it is not a homophobic motive. Homosexuality is a theme that drives the series forward and it is integral to include it. I think that, in a way, stating this explicitly is one way towards normalizing LGBT folks like us. Wish you a nice day :) GeraldWL 13:26, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Gerald Waldo Luis:! thank you for your message. But I still don't understand why, as you can deduce their sexuality when both characters are male. By doing so, it is like pointing out that it's not normal and at the same time it is pointing out that only LGBT people should watch it.

I think the same should be done with the straight ones or remove it in the LGBT ones.

Regards, Kanskje ja (talk) 17:44, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Hey there, thanks for the civilised conversation. I'd argue, though, that Charlie is a unisex name, and that a lot of the plot points stem from the homosexuality. So it's kind of a background, I don't see it as saying only LGBT people should watch it. Wikipedia isn't a review site. If homosexuality is secondary to the series it would have been omitted. Furthermore, it's not a good idea to deduce a sexuality when bi and pan exists. As someone in the LGBT spectrum myself, I don't think this is bad at all, in fact if I was a reader I would feel empowered, as representation is sorely lacking in media. GeraldWL 18:03, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

@Gerald Waldo Luis: But in romantic films where the topic is heterosexuality (not secondary), no one comes to mention that the boy and the girl are straight. This is why I see it as a double standard. Hope I have made myself clear because English isn't my main language. Cheers, Kanskje ja (talk) 21:28, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

No problem, I'm a second-language speaker too. It still stands, though, that Charlie being gay is a theme that triggers various events in the series. If the sexuality isn't significant to understanding the story, it won't be stated, but closeted and homophobia are things that are significantly addressed. See plot for Mulholland Drive (film), where the main character is lesbian yet its only mentioned in the themes section. GeraldWL 13:00, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

@Gerald Waldo Luis: Thank you for your answer and for being so nice! I get your point, but using your argument, I can also say straight may face problems or issues that gays or lesbians do not. For exemple, unwanted pregnancy and its consequences. Kanskje ja (talk) 19:31, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

No worries, and I would be hypocritical if I don't reply nicely. However, I respectfully disagree with your argument. Unwanted pregnancy can impact bisexual or pansexual peeps too. If you look into some of the articles here you'll know we don't write peoples' sexuality unless there's significance. Heartstopper revolves around LGBT and society, it is the heart of the series so it provides context.

I know this is a weird analogy, but let's say there is a film about an autistic kid. If the story is about how he gets diagnosed and how the parents slowly try to accept the kid, we must include the word autism. But if it is just something he has that has nothing to do with the story, then 98% of the time we won't include it. GeraldWL 20:17, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

@Gerald Waldo Luis: Sorry for my late reply, and yes, you are right that sexuality is a relevant aspect of this series.

However, it appears to me that sexuality only has this impact if it's different from heterosexuality norm. In other words, anything that is out of the “common” must be labelled. In this way, we give an understanding, as I said at the beginning, that it's not “normal”.

Exactly, but keep in mind that unlike many films and series with LGBT protagonists, in this one the main focus is basically on how the protagonists fall in love, doesn't rely primarily on sexual orientation discrimination or coming out, so I don't see the need for that. Yes, I know, they show out but they keep secondary, a reason that may have contributed that so many people liked them. Kanskje ja (talk) 21:56, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

I couldn't agree more on what you said about the series. I am a bisexual myself and part of me had always anticipated a series like this, where it just feels normal to be not straight. You are right, the unreliance in orientation has left a profound impact on me, and that's saying from someone who loathes Love, Simon.

However, being gay is still a main topic of discussion within the series. No matter how Alice normalises it (successfully), there is still some relevance of the story within society. Why is Ben the way he is? Why does Nick not want to come out? Why are the people so cruel towards Tara and Darcy? Hold on— I don't get it, they're just in love, what's with the narrative.

That's where Alice stands out. She is a neutralizer in being a provocateur. A lot of the plot would not make sense had LGBT be considered as normal as straight cis people. Alice would not have made the novel had LGBT be in harmony in society. The series' goals is to acknowledge the presence of LGBT people.

That's why it is important to keep Charlie's sexuality explicit. It ultimately defines him in this series, and I understand your good intentions, however it could just disadvantage the article. There's no negative connotation to the word "gay" as we both know, and if I was Charlie I would've loved the article. No matter how much Alice tries to stray from social commentary, it always hits.

That's why the label should stay. Not as discrimination, but as normalisation in a way. LGBT treatment by society is a huge catalyst in the story, and it would be a disservice to not acknowledge the truth of that. Wikipedia is, after all, an uncensored encyclopedia. GeraldWL 01:13, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Ander Puig moved to draftspace

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Ander Puig (May 21)

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Gusfriend (talk) 11:14, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

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