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Yet another quick question

The blocking policy is kind of vague on this, but is standard practice now to block obvious socks that repeatedly create a deleted article - case: Gary McIlroy; is a checkuser investigation needed first (even though it is about as obvious as it gets)? Years ago, it was basically up to the admin, but the policies are kind of vague from what I see as mentioned. RN 16:48, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

WP:DUCK. If it quacks, block it! ;) No need for an SPI or a CU. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:56, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

done - 1 user + 5 socks.... lots of housekeeping. Oh, well - thanks a TON as always! RN 17:30, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Hey

I've sent you an e-mail. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 18:02, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: Rollback

Just had my first potential use for rollback so, if your offer still stands, I thought I would request it (per the conversation linked in the section title). If you'd prefer I'd formally request it, just let me know! Thanks, ialsoagree (talk) 18:15, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

 Done. I also gave you reviewer while I was there. Have fun! :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:19, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Gracias HJ. The reviewer permission has been especially useful! I'll look forward to seeing thoughts on the new feature after the trial is over. ialsoagree (talk) 01:54, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Having a bit of a 'mare

First this ([1][2]), then this. I'm really sorry - I assure you I'm not targeting your edits :( EyeSerene^talk 19:23, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

No worries. I'm sure a third admin would done it a different way again! I noticed the IP, but extending their wikibreak certainly wouldn't do any harm! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:27, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks :) I didn't want you to think I was overriding your decisions. It's the first time I've seen the block function accept simultaneous blocks without throwing up an error or an "already blocked" warning. EyeSerene^talk 19:31, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks...

...for all the things you've helped me with. And having a talk page that keeps me busy! :)

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Again, thanks. :) dffgd talk·edits 23:18, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

No. 10

HJ,

Just a quick question but it's been bugging me for a while. Why do they call the Prime Minister No. 10? Who is No. 1? Thanks Cwill151 (talk) 00:03, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

The PM himself isn't called "no. 10", it refers to his address- 10 Downing Street. Rather like the American media might say "The White House released a statement..." :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:09, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Template:Football squad player

Just to let you know, we've ironed out the potential issues with the change, and a new request has been made here. Regards, --WFC-- 01:16, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Damn. I saw, but was pretending not to in the hope that somebody who knows what they're doing might look at it! I'll have a look and see if I feel it's within my abilities. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:18, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Scott C. Despres

The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Grats, added for you :D Fridae'§Doom | Spare your time? 04:31, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

And updated for you. :) dffgd talk·edits 11:30, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Signatures

Hi, could you help me? I thought my signature already contains links to my user page and talk page. I visited the WP:SIG page, but I couldn't find anything that would help me. Sorry if I am doing my signatures wrong. L Kensington (talk • contribs) 03:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

How are you currently signing? Are you using four tildes (~) or pressing the signature button? If not, that's what you should do. In a few of your recent edits, it looked like you just typed your name out, which can confuse archiving bots and doesn't link to your userpage or talk page. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I do the signature manually. When I type the four tildes it looks like this: L Kensington 03:18, 22 July 2010 (UTC) and doesn't give either the links to the talk or user page. I don't see the signature button when manually doing edits, so I don't use it. I'm sorry for creating confusion. I think my edits done under huggle are okay though. Thanks. L Kensington (talk • contribs) 03:23, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Have you edited the code for your signature in your preferences? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:23, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

L, you can put all that in your Signature field on the My Preferences page. You would just need to add the Wiki code as follows:

[[User:L Kensington|L Kensington]] ([[User talk:L Kensington|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/L Kensington|contribs]])

Once you have done this, just sign with the four tildes ~~~~ and all that, plus the time code will come up automatically. Need help, just ask. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:24, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I just edited it, and tested it and it works. Thank you so much, HJ Mitchell & Neutralhomer L Kensington (talk • contribs) 03:30, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

You're Welcome! :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:31, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Random thanks

Hey there, I was about to ask to be a reviewer when I realized you made me one last month. Thanks, now I just need to figure out how pending revisions work. Also, sorry about my outburst last week, I let my emotions get the best of me sometimes. ~DC _{Let's Vent} 03:33, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, what would you think about adding a real table of contents to WP:ITNC. I tried it here but it looks really off. I was thinking adding a TOC would help people find older stories, so we can avoid bumping. I also think it's time to drop the current events templates (or at least have them collapsed by default) because they've gotten so unwieldy lately. ~DC _{Let's Vent} 04:02, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

It happens to the best of us, but some things are better to vent in private than on one of out most visible talk pages! You're always welcome to email me. Pending changes isn't that difficult. If you don't go looking for them, you'll just get a message flash up on your watchlist telling you that an edit need reverting. If it's vandalism or libel, roll it back as you would anywhere else, if it's misguided but good faith, undo it, otherwise clicking on the orange "pending changes" link takes you to a diff and there's an accept button for you to click- it takes a while because PC is very slow, but it seems to have got faster since it came in. :)

I think the TOC is a good idea. I'm not sure about collapsing the current events boxes, though they are getting absurdly long. I think we should archive ITN/C more often- there's no need to have a whole week of nominations, it just makes the page unnavigable and nothing older than 3 or 4 days gets posted anyway. On an entirely unrelated note, I've made nearly 1000 edits to ITN/C. Just thought I'd share that with you! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 04:08, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

rights removed

In this edit you notified me you were removing rollback rights for my account, but I noticed then that your change to my account actually removed other rights. I don't see now how to see what changed, but i believe you removed "autoreviewed" and one or two other rights. You also removed just rollback rights for User:Blueboar.

The apparent edit war situation that led you to your decision seems to be resolving, in discussion at Talk:List of Masonic buildings (in favor of restoring the NRIS reference that the other editor was removing, and which I was restoring, but with a modified format of the reference). I did consider the other editor's edits to be essentially vandalism, but I recognize that I should not have used the rollback button, and I am not arguing with your decision to remove rollback. Could you revisit the removal of other rights, though? Thanks. --doncram (talk) 06:51, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

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Question About Permissions

How long can you take a break without your permissions being taken away, like reviewer and rollback? With a wikibreak and without. I have a busy life right now and not much time to be on here but I dont want my permissions taken away. Thanks. Joe Gazz84 (user)•(talk)•(contribs) 11:31, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

It's unlikely that anybody will remove your permissions, but if they're removed simply because you're inactive, you can drop a note here or for any other admin and they'll be restored. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:39, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks HJ, I didn't think it was serious, but now I understand if your trusted with them and don't do any bad things with them you are OK. Thanks! Joe Gazz84 (user)•(talk)•(contribs) 01:14, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Declined G11?

This isn't exactly neutral, and it is certainly promotional: Orissa the glorious state from eastern India happens to be home of some very valiant brave leaders in the past who have influenced entire nation on the path of patriotism and commitment to nation building. (I am watching this page, so please reply here.) — Timneu22 · talk 11:40, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, on second thoughts, gone. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:45, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Rock on. I'm no longer watching this page. As you were. — Timneu22 · talk 11:47, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Did I get this right?

Just to make sure, I was right in doing this, yes? ~~ Hi878 ^{(Come shout at me!)} 20:34, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Why vandalism? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:35, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Well... Read through it. ~~ Hi878 ^{(Come shout at me!)} 20:38, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Usually helps if you read the first four words! I managed to read everything but! Good tagging and I've zapped it. Since it's their userpage and it could be an attempt at a joke, I'm not going to take any more action at the minute, but they're worth keeping an eye on. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:41, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. What I was making sure of is that CSDing a page with an MfD was alright. I suppose that should have been obvious... :) This appears to be the second page like that that this user has created, so I'll just give them a warning. ~~ Hi878 ^{(Come shout at me!)} 20:44, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

It's no different to slapping a CSD tag on an article at AfD. In the case of userpages, if they meet any of the "U" or "G" criteria, they can be speedied. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:52, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Alrighty. :) ~~ Hi878 ^{(Come shout at me!)} 20:55, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

One incident...

Note: This incident is not something that needs Sysop attention, I just wanted to ask you something. How do you think I handled this user on my talk? It if my firs situation like this, so if I did something wrong, let me know. Allmightyduck  What did I do wrong? 22:55, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Allmightyduck  What did I do wrong? 23:04, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

No problem. I've welcomed them and left them a talkback pointing to your talk page, btw. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:06, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

WP:RFPP

Is it okay if I make comments on requests at WP:RFPP? I don't want to make another mistake like I did with WP:PERM (inappropriately marking stuff as {{done}} or {{notdone}}). At RFPP I just was making comments on current requests. Mr. R00t ^Talk 23:17, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Those three comments all look fine to me - useful, constructive comments. Personally I find non-admin comments helpful. I'd imaging HJ and other RFPP regulars feel the same: I used to make similar comments at RFPP and no one ever {{trout}}ed me for it. TFOWR 23:24, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

TFOWR: I've just had problems with this in the past. Mr. R00t ^Talk 23:29, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough, and good comments from HJ and mazca (and the same applies at RFPP - don't decline or mark as resolved, but commenting is still extremely useful). What I like to see is that an editor has considered the situation and is making a recommendation to the admin that considers the case, or is offering advice to the editor that requested protection (either before or after an admin has examined the case). The three examples you provided all looked like they meet my criteria: they're exactly what I'd like to see non-admins doing at RFPP. TFOWR 23:36, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I like non-admin comments at RfPP. There are a few other non-admins who make comments and, frankly, if it saves me a few minutes, so much the better. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:53, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict)You shouldn't even appear to decline a request, as your comments did for the unsalting of Alex Meyer- that was a very legitimate request, from a user who knows what he's doing, and you turned it away very abruptly. I don't mean to sound too harsh, but there's more productive uses of your time than clerking RFPP, since a sysop has to check your work each and every time anyway. Courcelles (talk) 23:55, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

BTW, HJ (or any talk page stalkers who are admins), RFPP can use some work now. Connormah^talk 23:58, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I'll wander over for a brief visit (I've been trying to get to bed for a while now). On that subject - does anyone know which three diffs I thought I was talking about, above? I was certain I'd checked three RFPP diffs that Mr. R00t posted originally, but I can't see them now, or in the history... am I missing something, or is tiredness playing tricks on me?! TFOWR 00:01, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, on the plus side I found Mr. R00t's RFPP comments (at RFPP, surprisingly enough...) I was too slow to do anything useful, and too tired to focus on the remaining requests. RFPP looks healthier, though, thanks to HJ and Courcelles, and Mr. R00t and Allmightyduck. TFOWR 00:18, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

And there I was hoping to palm the climate change off on you! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:20, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Just to clarify ...

... in response to your edit summary, AGiorgio08 removed the source as well as the statement in the article because the source is subscription-only (that turns out to be true). I restored the statement with a fact tag. A quick scan of the page history seems to show that the statement was added about four months ago with that same source (and no others). To my knowledge, there has been no "meddling" with that particular statement prior to today. Thanks. Cresix (talk) 23:50, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

What I meant was that the other sources somehow got lost- most likely in part of the re-ordering of the article to make it entirely chronological that Siawase and I did a few months ago before we got the article up to GA. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:57, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Maybe I am misunderstanding, but I looked at the page history going back about four months, and that particular statement never had another source except the one that was removed. In any event, however, that's water over the dam. Cheers. Cresix (talk) 00:19, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, HJ Mitchell. You have new messages at WP:Requests_for_permissions/Rollback.
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Explained block T3h 1337 b0y 02:21, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Parry Aftab

Thanks for adding temp protection to this page, and trying to roll back to a stable version. Should it also have a protected banner or lock sign? Cheers Fæ (talk) 13:09, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

 Done TFOWR 13:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

You might know this already, but judging from this article you might want to extend that protection a little longer. --RabidMonkeysEatGrass 07:38, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

RFPP

I've left a note at the L Kensington request, if you could check, it'd be great. thanks! Connormah^talk 06:45, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I took care of it. Ryan Norton 06:56, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

I can haz feedback plz?

I've done a little work on John Joseph Woods, and I'm trying to get it up to DYK standard. As I have absolutely no idea what exactly that is (although this says it's eligible), could you please give it a once-over? My writing and structure is abysmal, so be warned. Thanks, sonia^♫♪ 11:30, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

To me (using a different script) it looks like you need a few hundred more characters, but the article itself looks pretty reasonable. I'll have a more detailed look at it later on and give it a copy edit if necessary. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:56, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

It's eligible, 800 characters to 4,115 = 5.14x expansion, so you're a little over, in fact. After coughing my lungs up all night, though, coediting is beyond my current level of sanity. Courcelles (talk) 12:00, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

I've added a little, hopefully it meets the few hundred more characters now? Seriously though, this is actually all the information I could find on this elusive guy, even in the archives. (I found some beautiful hand-written letters and original manuscripts, but I'm not sure if they're PD or I would scan and upload them...pity.) sonia^♫♪ 21:38, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Look fine to me. According to User:Dr pda/prosesize.js, you're 600 characters over the minimum expansion required for DYK, so nice work. Now, go and nominate it before your 5 days are up! ;) Since I've checked everything but the hook, ping me when it's nominated and I'll check it and verify it for you. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:54, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Done, I think. Not sure how interesting a hook it is :P Thanks! sonia^♫♪ 22:02, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Accident

Could you remove my User:Heymid/Vector.js? I thought I could redirect it to User:Heymid/vector.js, but instead it parsed it as a code. /HeyMid (contributions) 13:02, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

• Zapped. Courcelles (talk) 13:03, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! /HeyMid (contributions) 13:38, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

L'il help here?

This article, especially in references to one of the subjects near and dear to your heart, and with a familiar cast of character(s), seems to be in need of a little adult supervision. Anything you can do? Fat&Happy (talk) 18:06, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh fun, a genre warrior removing random names from a list. I'll get the banhammer out! ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:18, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Seems to be a bit more specific than random though, as it appears you subsequently discovered. :)

BTW, I don't know that it matters since they're currently blocked, but anon IP 109.255.10.92 (who you had to revert at least once on a PL page) seems closely related to the other two in the SPI you initiated. Fat&Happy (talk) 19:46, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Hey

Hey, I'm currently working on something and I'm trying to find a cover for a promo single. In eBay, there is a cover, but if you see the image, it is not fit for Wikipedia. I cannot find an appropriate image anywhere. Can you help me find it? -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 21:03, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, I had a look through Google Images but couldn't find anything suitable. All I got was pictures of Taylor Swift (she is very pretty ;)!). Is the song notable? You might just have to to wait for something to become available. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:31, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Haha, I ran the most extensive google image search too and nothing. I got like 10 pictures of Taylor and even Homer Simpson. LOL! I wonder what he has to do with anything. Is there any other place where images can be found? And the song (as far as the original goes) is not notable. The cover by Taylor Swift charted on two charts and was part of a record. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 22:30, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

By record I mean a chart record, not an album (which it was also part of though). -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 22:31, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Tip

You should probably use more edit summaries, especially in the mainspace. Btw, have you thought about archiving this page? It's getting rather long! Also btw, you should consider enabling email. Just random thought. You can completely ignore me if you want. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:32, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the information 'bout the e-mail, I didn't do that because I (almost) never take a look of my preferences, and for the cleanup of my talk, I always do that each end of month, so in a few days I'm going to remove all the stuff of May. Regards Tbhotch^{Talk C.} 02:09, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh i forget it, I already actived the e-mail thing, but I always log in between 01 and 04 UTC. Tbhotch^{Talk C.} 02:10, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

CHAR_No.4

Originally an easy G11/A7 speedy, then the new-ish author contested it and I've been trying to explain the speedy and other policies to him and the article has improved a fair amount.... is asserting that it was rated the #1 whiskey bar in New York and another mention about it once having a top-rating sandwich enough to save it from A7? I'm totally unsure where the author has a conflict of interest.... could be either way. Not sure if it's still an edge A7 case... Ryan Norton 19:30, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

I avoid A7 like the plague, which is why I only declined the G11, but that sounds like a credible assertion of significance/notability to me. I declined the G11 because it certainly doesn't seem promotional to me. I'm not necessarily saying that's what happened in this instance, but there are some new-page patrollers who treat G11 as a "back door" route when they know a {{db-corp}} wouldn't fly. There are also those who'll tag any new article on a company by a new editor. Whether the bar really is notable, I don't now, but I don't think it's a speedy. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:42, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, interesting point. Back 4 years ago A7 was basically the solution for promotional articles, as G11 didn't exist. Now A7 is kinda rough, and seems to kill a lot of early-made articles, just as it did 4 years ago (as the rather emotional note of "WHY??!?" on my talk page illustrates, even though it was a couple hours old, certainly makes me think twice about it). I might just do the same, although in terms of Wikipedia seems like an odd "solution"; maybe A7 needs a rethink...

Two other things I notice: 1) A lot more complaining on my talk page - seems the wikipedia policies are (better?) informing people to complain to the exact administrator rather then the notice board. 2) About half the A7s I come across have hangon tags on them.... it existed back then but was rarely used. Ryan Norton 00:58, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I see the A7 was declined a few hours ago by another admin. I make a point of avoiding it, as I said I would in my RfA, but I understand A7's supposed to be dealt with fairly conservatively- if it so much as hints that it might be notable, then it's not an A7, but "Foobar is a band I formed the other day with my 12-year-old friends. They haven't got a record deal yet, but we sell home-made CDs for 50p" should probably have its own criterion! ;) You'll notice that you get more people coming straight to you- the instructions (wherever they are) say to do so and it's your name that appears in a red box when they return to their page to find it gone! As for the contested, I see a few, but I only tend to deal with spam, which is usually pretty blatant, but some people think that by posting more spam on the talk page, they can save it from deletion! It's always worth reading whatever ratioanle they provided, but a lot of the contested speedies are pretty straightforward. The one thing that really bugs me is tagging articles within seconds of their creation- unless it's blatant spam or an attack page/vandalism etc, I'm often moved to go and give the tagger a bollocking before after I've dealt with the speedy! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:21, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Ahh, that makes sense, thanks; I don't think normal users could see the admin deletion data back then - that would explain it. In one case, it was "[xxx] is a [genre] recording artist." - that was the article. This is the typical rough case if the article has been hanging around for a couple hours - mostly because it might be deleted by an admin who simply doesn't care. I think in the future I might just userfy right away in that case; it's not the best solution, but I don't see a clear one for a case like this (other then ignoring it and hoping none of the 30+ admins are likely pratrolling C:SD at any given time don't nuke it and ignore the user).

Also, about the tagging - it seems like most are them seem to automated in some way now (I see WP:TWINKLE a lot...); nothing like that existed back then except for AWB, and even AWB was primitive compared to what it is now.

Anyway - thanks again for the insight, I appreciate it. Ryan Norton 03:47, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Heh, Twinkle - I survived without it for years, and managed to be quite a prolific vandal-fighter. I started using it and promptly got criticised during my RfA for not doing enough vandal-fighting ;-) That said, it's an extremely useful tool (and, I assume, its peer are as well).

Picking up on HJ's point about CSD tagging within seconds - I'm sure there's a guideline somewhere that patrollers should wait 15 minutes to give creators a chance to get their new articles up to scratch. I haven't (yet...) started telling patrollers off for too hasty tagging, but I do check article history and I won't delete articles within 15 minutes of their creation.

A7 is a nightmare - the more I look at it, the more I think I shouldn't even look at it ;-) I don't mind dealing with the "you deleted my band "Unsigned pop combo", but "Another little band" has a webpage [sic] so you're just being unfair!" complaints: it's the "is this a notable organisation/individual or not?" decisions I hate. Ideally A7s would be split up into A7a (companies in the food retailing sector), A7b (bios of people working in film), etc, so admins with experience in a given area could target that area - HJ knows about celebrities so he'd target A7b and I'd ignore it, I know about food retailing (ha! I know nothing!) so I'd target A7a, etc. As it is at present I trawl through every A7 and end up doing nothing except wasting my time (or deleting something and then getting complaints from more clueful editors who know the article I just deleted shouldn't have been deleted...)

TFOWR 08:06, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I love Twinkle. It does just about everything. Funnily enough, though, I don't use it for reverting- I fin rollback quicker. I've recently started using Friendly as well. It's not as useful as Twinkle, but some of the features are quite handy. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:07, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Force of habit with me, I suppose. Having said that, since the last time we had this conversation I've discovered that (a) rollback is quicker (surprise, surprise!) and (b) it'll take me straight to the reverted editor's contributions. I can't get Twinkle to do that. Time for me to get into the habit of using pure rollback, and then using Friendly for warnings. (Friendly I started using about the same time as Twinkle - pretty much agree with you about it). TFOWR 15:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) (talk page stalker) What, are you a fish? :) Well, personally, what I think does just about everything is the edit button. Have you ever found something you couldn't do with that and a little typing? Although I realize some admin tasks are probably easier with TW. dffgd talk·edits 15:17, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

It's the "combining several actions into one" that I like - as well as avoiding the "lookup the welcome/vandal warning template" stage that I used to have to go through. Easy enough if your on vandalism patrol (you keep the tab open) but not so easy when you're minding your own business and stumble across some vandalism. Admin tasks: maybe, maybe not. I like to know how to do things manually, and I closed my first AFD using Twinkle the other day and I was glad I had manual experience - even with it I managed to make a right mess of it! ("speedy Userfied" - is that even a valid close? It's certainly not going to win me friends at WP:MOSCAPS...!) TFOWR 15:27, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I suppose reverting the old-fashioned way (by editing an old version of the page) is fairly quick, but rollback is quicker. Twinkle is handy for batch deletion. It even unlinks backlinks! It's also good for block templates and Friendly is good for things like the shared IP templates- I can never remember all the templates. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:29, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Note that the fish thing was because you said "I fin rollback quicker." And the edit conflict was with TFOWR's comment above mine. dffgd talk·edits 21:10, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I completely missed that earlier, now I'm sniggering! And thinking one of us (not sure who, but we need to continue the fish theme...) deserves a {{minnow}}...! TFOWR 21:20, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

User:Antwerping

Really? That's pretty clearly a newbie who needs to be educated and instead was bitten pretty badly. Could you please overturn your block (or allow me to do so)? I will do my best to educate the user on our policies. NW (Talk) 02:37, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

On second thought, maybe I was wrong here. His first edit and [3] don't really look so great. NW (Talk) 02:39, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, I did check before I blocked. Apart from being an SPA, on which I might have been inclined to AGF, their first edit alone is enough to satisfy me that it's malicious an I've no patience for people who want to push libel like that. It's not just a matter of policy or the potential legal problems, but about how that person would feel if they (or somebody associated with them) decided to look at the article and found that it was repeatedly calling him gay. That said, as the note at the top of this page says, I won't object to your doing whatever you think is necessary if you feel I've erred. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:47, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Editnotice

Hi HJ, I hope you don't mind I created my talk page editnotice based on yours. Glad to see you again, my friend. :) Diego Grez ^{what's up?} 02:54, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

AfC submissions backlog list

What is the code for that little box? I've started to help out there and want to know what the backlog length is (without having to come here that is). Cheers, Mr. R00t ^Talk 03:01, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

All the code for pretty much everything above the TOC is in /header. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:05, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I wondered if that was the case. Mr. R00t ^Talk 03:13, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Ping

You have a new email :) Airplaneman ✈ 20:57, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

semi-protected

Your semi-protected page prevented me from asking you a question. I had a question today and my account is only three days old. It had not been auto-confirmed yet and by time I found a Steward to confirm me my question had been answered. I think it would be nice If all people could edit your page.Epicstonemason (talk) 21:07, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) If you had clicked the "view source" button, you would've seen the editnotice saying to post at /Alternate. dffgd talk·edits 21:14, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

• @HJ: This needs to be changed, most IP/new users won't click the view source button. You could post it in the header at the top. dffgd talk·edits 21:14, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I've added it to the big red message at the top. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:23, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Request

Hi HJ Mitchell! As far as I remember, my userpage and my talk were semi-protected in December, could you semi-protect them again? Thanks. (If it doesn't bothers much =) Diego Grez ^{what's up?} 21:43, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I've done your userpage, but user talk pages should only be protected in pretty extreme circumstances. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:35, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, thank you very much HJ. Diego Grez ^{what's up?} 00:50, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!

I just realized I never did get around to thanking you for giving me the reviewer right. Its been over a month, but the lag time is more laziness/procrastination on my part than any lack of gratitude. So, thanks! Oh, and I'm glad you like the tag on my user page. The thing has caught on to a surprising number of pages, given that its something I dreamed up one day in a fit of boredom. That said, I'm reasonably sure you're the first admin to use it.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:59, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

FYI

Since you granted rollback rights to Gobbleswoggler (talk · contribs), I thought you should be aware of this post. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:43, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Non-pressing Question

Sorry to bug you as I'm sure you're busy. Was curious as to whether or not there was any particular guidelines regarding external links on talk pages, specifically when the links seem to be posted as suggestions for the articles. This old revision of the Acne talk page prompted my question. The talk page for this article has been blanked since early June, but I'm not sure the blanking of the talk page was appropriate. ialsoagree (talk) 01:10, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Please feel free to leave a TB on my talk page. ialsoagree (talk) 01:10, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Good faith suggestions that include external links, even those that would be swiftly removed from articles, are perfectly acceptable as far as I know, but spamming (a both those "suggestions" appeared to be) is as unacceptable on a talk page as it is in an article and should be reverted or removed and the spammer warned. Hope that helps. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:20, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

That does help, thank you. ialsoagree (talk) 01:28, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

...maybe you'd be interested.

In response to the assassination of Sokratis Giolias, Troktiko has gone offline indefinitely. A sad day for the free world...

Cwill151 (talk) 05:44, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

That is a shame. Ironic since democracy is a word of Greek origin. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:18, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

That's exactly what the editors of Troktiko thought. I've included the final notice they wrote in the article (under "Reactions"). Maybe you'd like to check it out when you have the time.

P.S. I don't normally get attached to these things, real reporters can't afford to; but this... this is just something else entirely. Sorry for taking up space on your talk page... I guess I just thought someone should know. I'll refrain from these sentimental posts in the future. Cheers Cwill151 (talk) 20:09, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Email

You've got mail. Connormah^talk 15:35, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Ditto. Courcelles (talk)

Another request for you :P

Hi, could you please move When I Fall in Love/My Arms Keep Missing You to My Arms Keep Missing You? Thanks. Diego Grez ^{what's up?} 16:27, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Redirect deleted. Do it yourself! ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:29, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Cool! Thank you HJ! Diego Grez ^{what's up?} 16:31, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

ITN

I didnt contribute that much to Col-Ven relations did i? Just for the section i think, more busy on the Kosovo ICJ page. Not made it on ITN yet? ;)(Lihaas (talk) 17:46, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

You seem to have added a good chunk of the text for the 2010 section. Btw, can you think of a less boring blurb? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:49, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Reasons for it perhaps. "...over allegations of harbouring FARC and ELN camps."?(Lihaas (talk) 20:26, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Diego Grez and AfC

Hey, just letting you know that I've left Diego Grez some notes about his activity at AfC on his talk page. J Milburn (talk) 19:29, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Wikinews

You have new messages at Wikinews!

<rc> User talk:HJ Mitchell * http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?diff=1065554&oldid=1061220&rcid=1077573 * Brian McNeil * (+409) * Venezuelan army on high alert after Chávez cuts diplomatic ties with Colombia */ new section

Diego Grez ^{what's up?} 21:22, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Well if that's what I get for poking my head round the door, it'll be a while before I do so again. What kind of news agency lets its articles go unpublished for so long that they cease to be news then lambasts its editors for publishing them with a few minor issues? It's a joke! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:34, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

I'll tell you the answer, no one likes to fact-check them :P Diego Grez ^{what's up?} 21:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

HJ: it can be difficult at times, but try not take anything Brianmc says personally — he's a bit rough around the edges at the best of times. But more to the point, don't take criticism of your contributions to be criticism of *you*. News is different than an encyclopedia. Because news needs to be published as quickly as possible, it is not possible to Assume Good Faith of user contributions.

What this ends up boiling down to is that while we should AGF of *users*, we shouldn't assume good faith of their *contributions*. All of us, including Brianmc, have our work scrutinized and occasional rejected. That includes rejected articles that we've written, rejected reviews, and reverted copyedits. It happens. It has nothing to do with your work (or *my* work, for that matter) not being valued, it has to do with the harsh realities of the news cycle.

If you assume good faith of *content* that means you end up leaving incorrect content up for weeks, months, or even years, as we all know from out experiences on Wikipedia. On Wikipedia that's fine, because articles remain open for editing indefinitely. On Wikinews articles can't have substantial changes made to them after publication (for the most part). Because of this, no incorrect content can be allowed to remain in the article during review. One of the policies that Wikinews has to help prevent fallacious content from getting through reviews is requiring that no article can be published with less than 2 completely independent sources. This drastically reduces the number of retractions we have to make.

With that in mind, please understand that while Brian needs to be a little bit slightly substantially incredibly more diplomatic in his "lambasting" of other users, he wasn't wrong to point out to you that single source articles should not be published. On Wikipedia a single sourced article is a truly minor thing, but the "two source rule" is very important on Wikinews.

Thanks for your time:). Gopher65_talk 22:17, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Hey HJ, while what you said on Brian McNeil's talk page is true, take it easy. I would have done these reviews, but no one really likes to fact check the news. Calm down! Diego Grez ^{what's up?} 22:29, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Xoim

This user has a userpage saying they combat vandalism, but these two diffs make me suspicious. Also, for a "vandalism fighter" they aren't even confirmed/autoconfirmed. Where would I report this to? WP:SOCK? Allmightyduck  What did I do wrong? 01:25, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

 Fixed Blocked for vandalism. Allmightyduck  What did I do wrong? 01:45, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. Vandalism-only account works for me. Doesn't look like they've done anything of much use and certainly made themselves a pain in the arse, so they can go and bother someone else! ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:50, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

May I take down that obnoxious "Spamspotter of Glory"? It's obnoxious and when my mom walked in on my looking at their talk page she thought I was looking at porn sites. So... can I delete that image at least? Mr. R00t ^Talk 02:05, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Meh, the whole thing is a waste of space. Gone! ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:17, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

The whole thing was utterly untrue anyways. Mr. R00t ^Talk 02:18, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Just checking

After your last update to "In the News", I would just like to check that you did not miss this candidate I know you're busy, so big thanks if you have a look at adding that one. Gregcaletta (talk) 01:35, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

It's OK, I keep a very close eye on ITN- look at this, I'm the third most prolific updater and I've only been doing it for a couple of months. It's a bit early to post the Wikileaks item, though- with the exception of items on WP:ITNR (like the Tour de France), it's a good idea to wait from more comments. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:42, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

OK. Sorry to rush you. I'm just a bit anxious to get it up there as quick as possible. It's the top news item on most news channels and I think its going to be hitting a lot more front pages over then next 24 hours, but I understand that you like to be careful. Gregcaletta (talk) 01:46, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

I know it's not what the title says, but ITN isn't just a rolling news ticker. Not everything in the headlines gets on and some stuff that isn't in any headlines does get on. The idea is to showcase quality encyclopaedia content that's been updated to reflect a current event. The best thing you can do for now is make sure the article is of good quality. I'll check on ITN before I go to bed in an hour or two and if I don't post it then, I probably will in the morning (UTC+1) if the consensus holds, but you needn't worry about it being overlooked by admins- I do everything I can to make sure that updated items with good support get up as quickly as possible. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:55, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

I know one of the criteria is that an article must have been "substantially updated" or an entirely new article has to have been created. I have been working hard on The War Logs, which is an entirely new article and already substantially detailed, but I'll try to improve it some more. Cheers, Gregcaletta (talk) 02:02, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Another Request

I know you are from the UK, but I was wondering if you could read something US-ish for me. I wrote a "Ecomony" section for the Stephens City, Virginia page. I just need someone to look over the facts and information, tinker if needed and let me know if anything needs fixed. It is all done by the US Census (where the "US-ish" part comes in). If you are busy with another project, let me know and I will track down another admin, no worries. Thanks...Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:27, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Would help if I told you it is at User:Neutralhomer/Sandbox3. Duh on me. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:28, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

I'll have a look at a more sensible time of day. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:35, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

I appreciate that, but I kinda needed eyes now (was going to add it now), but it is cool. I appreciate you wanting to look at the section. I will give another admin a message (this has to do with an ongoing FAC) and might have something for ya tomorrow. :) Thanks though. :) Night dude. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:41, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Would you mind...

...semi-protecting this, this, and this? Once this starts getting used, it would be rather annoying if some vandal decided to mess any of them up. Thanks in advance. ~~ Hi878 ^{(Come shout at me!)} 05:37, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

All semi'd. FWIW, that welcome message seems a bit loud and overwhelming. Sometimes short and simple is best. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:59, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

On a side note, "You are about to request for help" isn't very good grammar. Courcelles (talk) 16:14, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Blame Coffee. :) Most of this, I didn't make, I'm just tweaking it to advertise MotD. ~~ Hi878 ^{(Come shout at me!)} 22:14, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

And now that you did that, would you mind unprotecting them? I thought about it, and came up with an extremely good reason for having them unprotected. :) ~~ Hi878 ^{(Come shout at me!)} 02:57, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism?

Is the most recent edit on the page:Molisch's test vandalism?,Gobbleswoggler (talk) 16:54, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Could be a test edit. I've reverted and given them a {{subst:uw-test1}}. If you;re that uncertain of what is and isn't vandalism, perhaps you should do something else? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:09, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm just worried that i might getted blocked for reverting something that isnt vandalism?,Gobbleswoggler (talk) 17:12, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

You won't get blocked, but you may end up with rollback taken away from you. We don't block people for good faith mistakes. I hope you take my advice and read WP:VAND so you're clear what is and isn't vandalism. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:15, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

HJ, why are you typing ";" instead of '? /HeyMid (contributions) 21:29, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) He recently ended a typo war so he may be slightly uncontrollable :) Fridae'§Doom | Spare your time? 02:54, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Ding!

You got mail. —MC10 (T•C•GB•L) 23:54, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Ah, a change from the usual "Ping." :) dffgd talk·edits 00:26, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

"Ding" sounds better to me. —MC10 (T•C•GB•L) 00:28, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Seems this talk page always has a section named "Email" or "Ping" (see #Ping above)...guess I'll have to add "Ding" to the list :) dffgd talk·edits 00:37, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

It's 'cos I iz popular. ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:40, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Sometimes it's Someones got mail... ....and if you check yours it might be you. Mr. R00t ^Talk 01:40, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Replied. —MC10 (T•C•GB•L) 16:22, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Just if you didn't notice: You should check your mail again (sorry if I'm nagging). —MC10 (T•C•GB•L) 00:06, 27 July 2010 (UTC)