User talk:Doc James/Archive 141

Hi Doc James,

It looks like you removed my update to the PAX page and marked my user/website as SPAM. I've been a PAX East attendee since 2011 and have had the chance to interview moderators of panels I enjoy. I'd appreciate if you removed my website as "SPAM" as that's just plain unfriendly.

Cheers, Elle — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ellesleepster (talk • contribs) 18:07, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

You are adding your personal website to Wikipedia. Yes that is spam. Please do not do it again. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:10, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Understood. The interview with the moderator of that PAX panel is something I'm passionate about sharing - mental health in the gaming community. In fact, I'll be participating in the panel myself next year! However, I think immediately adding my page as SPAM is a bit extreme. I'll stick to writing about other games.

Cheers, Elle — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ellesleepster (talk • contribs) 18:28, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

ECG criteria for ST-Elevation MI

Dear colleague, under certain conditions the ecg may display ST-elevation in V2/V3 in addition to ST-elevation in other leads (e.g. myocardial infarction due to LAD-occlusion). The deifinition for ST-elevation MI should consider that. Therefore we believe that the term "and/or ≥ 1 mm (0,1 mV) in adjacent chest or limb leads" should be favored. Best regards, JaNick MD 77.179.111.82 (talk) 18:53, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Per WP:ANDOR. Also just one is needed for a STEMI (though more than one may be present) so "or" is fine. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:08, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Steroid Atrophy - Arm Image

I reinstated an image you removed. Your reason for removal was the erroneous assumption of additional factors which were not present. I am not sure how you came to make such an assumption that steroid withdrawal was a factor, as steroid rebound did not occur until two years after the damage shown in the picture. The photo of the steroid atrophy damaged arm was taken in 2010, steroid rebound began Jan 2012 at which point the body went into withdrawal. If you would like to learn more about the mechanism of rebound feel free to contact me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SalishSea2 (talk • contribs) 06:10, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Were did I remove it? User:Corinna Kennedy I removed one of them just now as the quality of the image was really poor at that resolution. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:50, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

I am using my name now. I used anonymity due to professional reason when I became ill — there is a request in to make it official. Let's stick to the topic at hand. There is nothing wrong with the photos. What is your issue really? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.54.1.93 (talk) 20:59, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 23 October 2018

Hello! Rebestalic here.

A low-priority request.

Currently, the "{{User:Youre dreaming eh?/Userboxes/Spelling}}" userbox says "Ths usre hass verry goode spelng" or something like that. I think it would be slightly better if it displayed ""Ths userr haz verry goode spelng", the "haz" of course not being italicized in the actual userbox.

Thank you Rebestalic (talk) 08:13, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

You may edit User:Youre dreaming eh?/Userboxes/Spelling yourself as it is not protected. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:36, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Sure... Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:04, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Dispute resolution

Hello Doc James. I am Rebestalic.

Quite a while ago, I made an edit to the Major Depressive Disorder article, changing "seeing or hearing things that others cannot" to "aural or visual hallucinations".

The Major Depressive Disorder article is not on my watchlist; nor do I visit it frequently. I came to see that my change was reverted via absentmindedly clicking a link to the page, from some article whose name I have forgotten.

I don't intend to start some kind of argument or what have you (you're an administrator with over 10 years' experience and 100,000+ edits, and I'm just a minor who has under 100 days' experience and has just been inducted into the Extended Confirmed group of editors!), but I think that it would be great if you explained your reason for making that revert. Yes, it's easier to understand, but don't people know what hallucinations are?

P.S. Good spelling = good life. (Absolutely no offense intended).

Thank you, Rebestalic (talk) 06:36, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Per WP:MEDMOS we try to write the leads of articles in easier to understand language. Thus the restoring of the prior wording. Do most people know what "aural hallucinations" are? I doubt it. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:04, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your explanation

Rebestalic (talk) 02:48, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Pneumonia

Hi Doc James, thanks for your additional edit on the Pneumonia by including Lipoid pneumonia in the article. You made it better. Adeuss (talk) 00:53, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

No worries. Just replaced it with a better reference. It is really a rare cause so probably dose not warrant discussion in the lead. Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 02:53, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Panadol (brand) listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Panadol (brand). Since you had some involvement with the Panadol (brand) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. feminist (talk) 15:18, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is need help; editor blanking article repeatedly. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus 14:40, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 15:45, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

References prompt

My talk page was given a new section prompting use of References. This was after I added several primary resources on the influenza page which were then removed. Why was this done?

Yes so if you read the prompt in question it recommends you use secondary sources. Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:55, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

The prompt doesn't initially make this clear without further clarification from the links. I'm a bit surprised by this counterintuitive emphasis of secondary resources, though I can appreciate its utility.

Yah it took me a little while to get used to initially aswell. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:10, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Circumcision and HIV

There is a revision war going on in Circumcision and HIV. I leave it to you...Petersmillard (talk) 11:31, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

User:Petersmillard not seeing anything recent. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:36, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Image Captioning...

I was updating the file description pages for a number of images with a US-NIH license tag, (mostly straight conversions from 'free-form' to {{information}} blocks.)

As a number of these image relate to medical topics, I'd appreciate someone with an expert view, having a review of some of my efforts this morning such as:

• File:Ears of phocomelia patients.jpg
• File:Down Syndrome Karyotype.20-22.png
• File:Ch12f3 from NIH.jpg
• File:Blastema.jpg
• File:Gleason's Pattern.jpg
• File:Phocomelia1.jpg
• File:Pneumococcus.jpg
• File:Pneumonia cartoon.jpg

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:20, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

User:ShakespeareFan00 looks good. Made a few minor changes. Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:08, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

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removal of article "morning tiredness"

Hi Doc James,

Thankyou for your time in reviewing my Wikipedia article, Morning tiredness, I greatly appreciate it. I read your feedback, however I was confused about the reason why my references for the article were poor. A majority of the references were sourced from a uni library website and were from peer reviewed journal articles. I just need some clarification on why they are considered poor references and what I can do to have my article on the main space and what references are acceptable for this topic.

Thankyou, Ahneimad

Ahneimad (talk) 00:42, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Have you have a chance to read WP:MEDRS yet User:Ahneimad?

I am seeing "Women's Health Weekly", "Bustle", "ABC news", and "Healthline" as sources plus a lot of primary references.

Additionally do we need an article on morning fatigue separate from the one on fatigue? I do not think so. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:55, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

OTRS

https://ticket.wikimedia.org/otrs/index.pl?Action=AgentTicketZoom;TicketID=10860310

This one is crying out for you.--S Philbrick(Talk) 16:53, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks User:Sphilbrick. I doubt I will convince them of anything... Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:49, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

I suspect you are right and sorry for siccing this on you, but I trust you understand that, even if unsuccessful, you have the quals to respomd.--S Philbrick(Talk) 17:57, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Happy to help :-) Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:54, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

question

Doc James, Ive included you as secondary author on Hepatitis E and Dyslexia, let me know if this is fine, or you don't want to be included(Im asking b/c I don't know if WikiJournal of Medicine Board will ask you) in terms of peer review Ill do any/all answers, I know your busy, thank you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 13:30, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

User:Ozzie10aaaa Have you seen "WhoColor" userscript? It highlights article text by who wrote which part. You are by far the lead author at dyslexia with Level C and Moxy being second and third. I am down in 4th.

With respect to Hepatitis E you will need to review everything added by User:DrMicro. They have written 6.7% of that article and were found to be involved with extensive copyright problems. I have contributed much less to that article. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:20, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

ok--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 17:29, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Invention of drug-eluting stent is cited to blog

Mathew Kalarickal contains claims of invention of the Drug-eluting stent, but cited to Blogspot. I'm inclined to delete the whole section. Do you know of a reason not to do this? Bri.public (talk) 19:10, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Yup did some trimming and tagged User:Bri.public Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:25, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Medicines

To be fair, these articles have been up for many years. There are plenty of pages that contain brand named medicines. Please discuss before redirecting these pages and gain a consensus from the community. Thanks. Tinton5 (talk) 02:33, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

DayQuil has been redirect for 8 months. Discussion is talking place current at WT:MED Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 02:34, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Note

I have changed my signature. Barbara ✐✉ 11:03, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Sure looks good. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:35, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

New edits marked as m

Hello from Sweden again. I have a PhD student that marked her contributions as minor although they're not and since I haven't seen you stepping in, I assume you may skip checking edits marked with m. The articles are Cholecystectomy and Endoscopic retrograde cholangiopancreatography. Thanks for your good work! Olle Terenius (UU) (talk) 10:12, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

User:Olle Terenius (UU) do not have those articles on my watchlist. Simple unable to check all edits to Wikipedia's medical content. We of course need to grow the long term community which does review to help support new editors and students. We also could use some tools to help support our work with students. Have proposed one idea here Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:57, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Amisulpride

Hi Doc james you have written on Amisulpride. You have listed out the side effects but as a doctor could you also guide me what is the solution for this as Schizophrania doesnt have any other treatment, so how to get rid with the side effects?? Arunbittu (talk) 07:14, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

You would need to follow up with your doctor User:Arunbittu. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:58, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

SwiftCoin

Hello Doc,

The time period for comments was just reset 72 hours ago, that didn't give me, as the author of the article enough time to even vote and for others to vote. Please look at the discussion and note the fake references used to justify taking down the page. Interfacts (talk) 19:26, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

It opened "17 October 2018". You commented before my close. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:29, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

The vote period was reset on October 26 for seven days and you shut down the talk on day 3 while I was literally on the edit talk page making comments about the fake references and conflicts of interest of the deleters. I and others didn't even get to vote. That ain't right Doc. Interfacts (talk) 00:24, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

The outcome was clear IMO. And it is not really a vote Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:25, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

You and your cohorts decided the outcome before Ginsburg nominated the page for deletion as per the recent Wikipedia policy changes viz. crypto, IMO. Within an hour of my first contribution to the discussion, as I pointed out the fake references, i.e. Ginsburg's criticism of weak references that were not even cited by the article and, a conflict of interest by Gozames, who is a proponent of the Lisk crypto in competition with swiftcoin, you decided there was a consensus and archived the conversation so my comments would be moot. Then within minutes you deleted the reference to swiftcoin on the List of Cryptocurrencies page, where it had been unchallenged by the cryptocurrency community for at least 15 months. Interfacts (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:02, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your help

	Halloween candy
	As promised, for solving osteolipochondroma for me. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:51, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Global Health MSc at the University of Edinburgh

Hi Doc James, you'll have seen some University of Edinburgh students editing topics related to Global Health in the last 72 hours. The assignment page is here. They were asked to add 180 words to a topic related to Global Health with today as their deadline. I wasn't aware of which articles they were going to edit as the project was put together relatively quickly with limited training time so your indulgence is craved here a little so please do bear with me. I can see already we need to spend more time on the stricter referencing requirements for biomedical topics (as we now do for the Reproductive Biology assignment) and reinforcing the need for citing the open access url not the University of Edinburgh paywalled url. I've seen you made some copyedits in terms of where the edits are appearing in the article and the type of language used so if there is particular takeaways from this that you would like to get across then do let me know what these main bullet points would be so I can pass on accordingly. The course leaders and the students are keen to learn but they also have a packed MSc programme to get through so it's a little bit of a balancing act to see how they can learn the need to know stuff, have a positive experience contributing to Wikipedia about Global Health topics and hopefully then go on to spend more time contributing in future iterations of the course and once they graduate also. I do appreciate on this occasion there is some tidying up and reversions needed, apologies, but am keen that the students can have a positive experience overall and we learn from this to do it better next time. All best, Stinglehammer (talk) 17:49, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Can you pass on the details at Template:Student User:Stinglehammer? As I look at more of their work will provide more feedback. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:01, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Sure, can I get a second opinion on this edit in particular while I'm at it? First few sentences don't seem that bad for a first go and definitely helps expand a tiny section on Holistic Medicine, which I know can be a contentious topic. Last 2-3 sentences could be argued as being WP:SOAP, as Zefr says, but whole paragraph certainly isn't. Admittedly, sources could be improved but keen the student can take something away as a positive when there is some good from the work they have done here. Any thoughts? Stinglehammer (talk) 18:10, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

User:Stinglehammer This statement "would use different treatments to cleanse the bodies of diseases." is making a health claim that these treatments worked.

With respect to refs not sure about The_Scientific_World_Journal. Or [1] A ref from 1982 is also a little old...

The difficulty often when writing about alt med is finding sufficiently good sources. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:55, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

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RE:Talk:Autism#Speech therapy

Hi Doc James, I replied to your comment. ATC ^{. Talk} 20:23, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 06:44, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your changes on NAFLD

Hello, I just wanted to thank you for your changes to NAFLD Have a nice day! --Signimu (talk) 17:00, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

No worries :-) Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:01, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Article move

Hello, I have just noticed that you have redirected my link for transfusion dependent anemia(https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Transfusion_dependent_anemia&redirect=no). Is there anyway to access the article that I have actually written, I do not wish to publish it on main space again but I require the article for personal use. Thanks. Munchkaa (talk) 12:34, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

User:Munchkaa You can see it here[2] Issues with references in that most were not directly about the condition in question or were not of good enough quality. Have summarized and put as a section in the main anemia article. Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:04, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

quality references on Latent autoimmune diabetes of adults

I know we shouldn't use any primary sources. But medical sources for latent autoimmune diabetes of adults are very few and far between. Other sources for LADA are questionable at best and substandard at worst. I already know that PubMed is a reliable source. But which others should I use? Angela Maureen (talk) 05:59, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

User:September 1988 but med has both primary sources and review articles. Not everything on pubmed is suitable. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:30, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Schizophrenia and g.d.

Thanks for trying to fix the recent addition by Fendergenderbender (talk · contribs) of content backed by two studies indicating some comorbidity with gender identity disorder, but I think the original addition of the material was problematic, and I've reverted back to the status quo ante. Mentioning comborbidity with gender identity disorder (or dysphoria) at the top of that section with no other comorbid condition listed seems highly WP:UNDUE. This content was added by a newbie editor with questionable or reverted edits at Transgender and Intersex, as well as having gender in their userid. When searching google scholar for "schizophrenia comborbidy", the term "gender" does not show up in a search result snippet until result 171 ("Gender-related differences among Turkish patients with obsessive-compulsive disorder"). If you feel it deserves a mention somewhere, it ought to be lower down, and at the back of a long list including substance abuse, poor physical health (viral hepatitis, Parkinson's), poor mental health (ocd, anxiety, depression, panic, ptsd, etc.), iatrogenic (psych. medication), and so on. Even sourced, this material is undeserving of mention at least with this prominence. In the proper perspective and with other conditions mentioned, it could have a brief mention. Mathglot (talk) 01:48, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks User:Mathglot good point. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:31, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

RE:Talk:Bipolar_disorder#Antidepressants

Hi, I posted in the discussion page. Thanks. ATC ^{. Talk} 08:38, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

I made another response with a source. ATC ^{. Talk} 23:02, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Glucokinase

Glucokinase (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) An editor added content about a phase three trial. The source was The Lancet and was behind a paywall. So I removed that content and asked the editor to find a freely available source. Opinions? Cheers Jim1138 talk 10:36, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

User:Jim1138 thanks. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:20, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Documenting non-Western medical uses

Hey James, I recently rewrote the "Uses" section of the article Asparagus racemosus (more commonly known as shatavari). This section was somewhat difficult to write as the plant has a very long and well-documented history as an herbal medicine in India (and more recently in the Western world), but there's surprisingly little information regarding clinical studies or its use as anything other than a traditional herbal medicine. I tried to document this all as well as possible with reliable secondary sources, but I'm not sure if I'm violating anything in WP:MEDRS. A second pair of eyes would be appreciated. Kaldari (talk) 08:56, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Looks reasonable User:Kaldari. Have simplified a bit and presented the use as that rather than as treatment. Your thoughts? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:26, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Change coming to how certain templates will appear on the mobile web

Hello,

I wanted to share a follow-up to an RfC you participated in from late 2016/early 2017. It was regarding making certain warning templates visible on mobile. The Readers web team has been working to improve how these templates appear on the mobile website. I shared an announcement with communities today that covers what is happening. If you have any interest, I encourage your support in giving feedback on the project page or helping update templates of this nature with some of our recommendations.

Thank you, CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 20:33, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks User:CKoerner (WMF) Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 02:15, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

I disagree with COI

I think you have a personal COI issues with the contents I have added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theteh (talk • contribs) 16:32, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Hum really? Do you have evidence for that? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:38, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

I declare no conflict of interest

It is not very helpful by just deleting what others have contributed without evidence of COI. Instead of helping others, you are acting like a self appointed police! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theteh (talk • contribs) 16:46, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

So User:Theteh are you stating you have no relationship with "qMIDS"? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:28, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Concerns

Noted issue on surgeons like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lehman_(surgeon) or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_J_Goldberg where references were not cited

I cannot see a consistency in this approach as lots of surgeons on Wikipedia have unreferenced dates of birth.

For example

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_D._F._Calder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Williams_(surgeon) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Briggs_(surgeon) — Preceding unsigned comment added by TomEllis841 (talk • contribs) 08:54, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Bilingual2000

Hi, you blocked Bilingual2000 last year. You might not have noticed that he replied to your block message where he stated that he has an alt account, Irumozhi. It's stale, but might be worth blocking or tagging or something. FYI. Cheers.—Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 13:49, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

User:Cpt.a.haddock the question is how sure are we that that is actually their account? If unused no need to block really. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 15:06, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

I understand. But perhaps it might be prudent to tag it somehow? I'm unaware of what tools admins have at their disposal. Perhaps categorising it as a suspected sockpuppet of Bilingual2000? If Irumozhi suddenly starts editing again, this information might prove useful.—Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 15:14, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Agree tagging is a good idea User:Cpt.a.haddock. Have done. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 15:21, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

would appreciate your opinion

[3], thank you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 23:20, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

[4] thanks again,( BTW 442 total cases today[5])--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 18:55, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Gastroschisis9

Hi James, I noticed this page shows up in the related articles list given at the bottom of the page on the mobile website. when I was reading gastroschisis. Have you considered taking this out of article space? It may confuse readers; it certainly confused me! Thanks, talk to !dave 23:35, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Will do User talk:My name is not dave. Using it to test the translation tool. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 23:57, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

On the topic of movement disorders in atypical antipsychotics

Hi User:Doc James,

This article on Schizophrenia wrote under the “Pharmacological” section that “SGAs are usually preferred over first-generation (typical) antipsychotics (FGAs) because they are associated with fewer extrapyramidal symptoms.” See here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4159061/#!po=37.5000. Could we at least compromise by adding in the lead of the Aripiprazole, Risperidone, Quetiapine, and Olanzapine articles that they are less likely to cause movement disorders than older antipsychotics? ATC ^{. Talk} 04:15, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

We have this ref that says "There is an ongoing debate whether, and which, first- or second-generation antipsychotics should be used."[6]

There are lower rates of extrapyramidal symptoms but higher rates of other significant side effects. This should be mentioned in the body if not already discussed. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 04:38, 17 November 2018 (UTC)