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block evasion at Range Resources
Our corporate whitewasher has come back...maybe semi-protection would be needed if the PR team returns. elle vécut heureuse à jamais (be free) 04:22, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
- I got an email from them too. Filed an SPI requesting CU, and depending on the positive result or not I'll look at semi-ing. But thanks for the follow up. -- DQ(t) [[Special:Emai(e) 04:35, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
- Btw, can we have a look at User:WikiLoverr? (The name seems chosen to avoid suspicion). Based on the the user's edits to the Gasland article I can't help but wonder. elle vécut heureuse à jamais (be free) 04:43, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
- I don't want us to be too harsh either. Certainly I'd like executives / PR teams to contribute to a good, balanced article, and I do see that the newest editor left a lot of the critical content intact. elle vécut heureuse à jamais (be free) 04:48, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
- I would too, no doubt, and I don't wanna be harsh, but we can't keep coming back to new accounts every time. That's why I didn't block the master the first time around. As for him, I don't think he is related, but he'll probably come up in a sleeper check if he is, which I have requested. -- DQ(t) [[Special:Emai(e) 05:43, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
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109.127.86.52
Re. 109.127.86.52 (talk · contribs) block [1] "mistake, not a proxy" & WPOP arch
Can you just clarify to me what happened, with that one? 'Coz on that last page (the WPOP), it's not very clear how that was closed.
Only reason I'm asking is, this (which is re. BRFA/SharedIPArchiveBot 2. Chzz ► 12:58, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Speedy nomination
Normally I wouldn't have bothered to tag that AfC, but it was related to an account that is doing nothing but spam advertisements for the subject of the article into existing articles. Niteshift36 (talk) 21:12, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
- Ah ok. But ya, spam can always be improved too though and it's not hurting anything being there. (and G11 would have worked better) But in this case i'm going to leave it just in case someone comes along to improve it. (or the person comes back actually doing things the right way. -- DQ(t) [[Special:Emai(e) 23:43, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
BASC stats
{{User:DeltaQuad/talkdone}} Just to let you know I got around to publishing the backlog of stats on WP:AC/N. Cheers, Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 19:03, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Reverse
{{User:DeltaQuad/talkdone}} [4]. Not needed. I prefer if IPs can talk to me on my page. Am curious to what prompted it if you want to clue me in. Cptnono (talk) 07:21, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
Biting Newcomers/Personal Attack
{{User:DeltaQuad/talkdone}} Hi. Thanks for the warning on my page, I guess the personal attacks were unwarranted. However, "biting newcomers" I am unsure about - if this stems from the personal attack, then Icannot argue against it. However, regarding their blatant vandalism of the article, then I stand every bit by what I said. It was infuriating them removing sourced material - some of which has been only used once and so would have been very difficult to bring backsave for reverting the article. Finally, it is vandalism if they remove it, even if they think the source is inaccurate. They would have to write in the discussion section to discuss this, and only if a consensus is reached can they remove the source. They cannot be the sole judges on sources and remove at their discretion. That is the reason for asking them to contribute to proper discussion, and I stand by my actions - regardless of what wikipedia rules say and if I am expected to give anonymous scum more leeway. Though regarding my personal attack, I do completely agree it was unecessary and unprofessional and can give the whole article and it's edit summary less integrity. Cheers again. SaSH (talk) 19:01, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you for the positive response. The biting new comers was related to comments like "Sign in and discuss" where you are telling them that they have to get an account to edit, which is incorrect, although it would be better I agree. As for their vandalism or not following policies, your right, you don't have to deal with it. Assuming good faith is not a suicide pact. That's why noticeboards exist such as a few I will outline for you here:
- I hope this helps :) -- DQ(t) [[Special:Emai(e) 00:51, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
Edit warring from a known crusader/sockpuppeteer
{{User:DeltaQuad/talkdone}} {{hat|1=This talkpage is not a second admin involvement request page. -- DQ(t) [[Special:Emai(e) 10:46, 7 December 2011 (UTC)}}
- Smilingfrog (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Hi DQ, can I have a minute here? The problem is with this guy (Smilingfrog) on the aforementioned article pages as he has been known and warned by us for being a POV-crusader (WP:CPUSH & WP:UNDUE) and lately, I noticed that he's stalking and cherry-picking on another editor (Chipmunkdavis (talk · contribs)) who has raised his concern with me on my discussion page. Any advice and/or help from you would be most greatly appreciated. Best. --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 17:49, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
- Ok, so taking a look at this right now, the Malaysia page is a problem. Both Smilingfrog and Chipmunkdavis are edit warring. It doesn`t matter who started it, or who ended it (except in cases where EW doesn`t apply, like pure vandalism), it`s edit warring. I don`t see enough discussion on the talkpage either, so i`m really tempted to protect it right now, but I`m going to let you guys see if you can talk it out first. Singapore looks like it might go along those same lines eventually. My advice here to you is don't become involved yourself, but try and help them reach a consensus, and be that impartial viewpoint. Of course escalate it to the appropriate noticeboard as needed. As for the sockpuppet note, I can't just block someone out of the blue for old socking AND current issues. The current issues have to be enough to make the block if required. I'll try and keep an eye on the page, feel free to stop by here with more questions or requests for admin action as I have outlined above. Happy editing :) -- DQ(t) [[Special:Emai(e) 18:16, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for the quick reply, just to add to the case... Smilingfrog hasn't been the easiest editor to get along with since day one of his stint here and I've warned him several times already, he is also not consistent with using the talk page to discuss with us, so you can't fault us for not wanting to interact with him, believe me I've tried. Now, I believe the WP:BURDEN is now on him when he tries to re-add those nonsense of his on Singapore, but the problem for Malaysia is another story altogether... he seems to be picking on Chipmunkdavis and though Davis is open to discussion, he is only human like us when baited. Perhaps it would be more prudent to protect the pages until Kermit decides to croak, which I highly doubt so but what the heck... in the name of AGF we'll give it another go. Thoughts? --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 18:27, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
- Point taken, you have warned him, sorry I'm really tired right now...so i'm trying to take as little action as possible...also why I needed that pointed out to me *rolls eyes at himself* I'll be back in a few hours to give this a fresh look, but for now Malaysia is full protected. -- DQ(t) [[Special:Emai(e) 18:48, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
- Rest well and thanks again. --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 19:08, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
- Ok, so i`m looking now on the Malaysia page and he seems to be making good enough talk, in a good way, for a discussion for me, and he hasn`t reverted on the other page. Now`s your time to talk with him. Also may I suggest that you don`t refer to him by 'kermit' it just seems to cause more problems. Editors can be problematic I know, but the discussion with Mkativerata on the talkpage looks pretty darn good and he's doing his share of the proof. -- DQ(t) [[Special:Emai(e) 01:09, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
- Alrighty then, guess I'll just call him Mr. Frog instead and though he's putting up a good show at Talk:Malaysia... his animosity towards me and his intended baiting target are showing through on Talk:Singapore. --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 16:35, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
- Rest well and thanks again.
Hello, DeltaQuad. There are certainly problems with Smilingfrog's editing, among them a good deal of edit warring. However, the problems are by no means all on one side. I think you should be aware of an earlier attempt by Dave1185 to get administrative action against Smilingfrog, which you can see here. In that discussion, both of them agreed to a voluntary interaction ban, though even while doing so, Dave1185 made a couple of parting remarks which were probably not conducive to a collaborative atmosphere. Since then Dave1185 has initiated interaction with Smilingfrog by posting an edit warring warning to Smilingfrog's talk page, and has also made some somewhat aggressive remarks there. Dave1185 also has a history of incivility and threatening manner towards Smilingfrog. There have also been ownership issues, with Dave1185 and Chipmunkdavis acting in concert. Particularly interesting is the following, addressed to Dave1185 at User talk:Chipmunkdavis: " I'd love to do a revert to the pre tiny paragraph pre bad prose pre puffery version, but having had possibly more conflict in that article with Smilingfrog than others I wouldn't like to do it till I have accommodated any possible improvements to justify this. I cannot deny bias. However, if you reverted that would no doubt be far more acceptable..." That looks to me like meatpuppetry: "it might look bad if I made this edit, so please you do it on my behalf to avoid the problem". Dave1185's appeal to me did not produce the result he was no doubt hoping for. He went through the motions of agreeing to an interaction ban, albeit with very ill grace, but has not stuck to the ban, and has now appealed to you. This looks to me very much like admin shopping.
Dave1185 has also made numerous other disruptive edits in relation to Smilingfrog, including removing a talk page post by Smilingfrog.
As I said at the beginning of this message, there are certainly problems with Smilingfrog's editing. However, Dave1185 has also been harassing Smilingfrog. I intend to give Dave1185 a warning about this. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:03, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
- No need for the warning, I'm going to take a much needed vacation over the coming weekend and am staying off those pages for the time being so as to not step on the wrong toes. Another thing, had Mr Frog apologise to Chipmunkdavis and me at an earlier date for his brash/rude attitude and tendentious editing behaviour, I would have just drop the stick and moved on after he closed that chapter in a proper manner but his kept on cherry-picking at me and Chipmunkdavis. This is not without any animosity from his part and it is duly reciprocated in a way back. Gentlemen, it takes two hands to clap and as you can see, time and again it is always Mr Frog who start something, not the other way round, hence the reciprocations. TBH, I'm not without fault but at least I stick to what I know and not revert blindly as Mr Frog did on more than one occasion. This is a complex issue, if you think I'm Admin shopping then answer my query so I won't take it to another Admin as when you reply me with some bit of amibiguity and cloudiness. No offence but that's how I view this with JBW, contrite apologies again if I had unwittingly step over the line. --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 10:26, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Hey James, thanks for that note. I was getting the sense that this was not just one editor either that had issues, and seeing some of the talkpage messages I was very reluctant to use the tools, so I only stopped an edit war. Dave, these issues are on both sides, your talking with other editors on their talkpages like you have been is inappropriate, and mostly why I didn't take action. Getting involved and especially your revert to the version you supported on Singapore is as I see it a message your trying to get across to him that you can out revert him because you have more editors support you. I decided to read up on Smilingfrogs talkpage into the history, and some of the comments i'm seeing there are what I would consider personal attacks. You also give multiple threats to report him. That's the last time I don't read a whole talkpage when someone brings an editor issue to me. As for the admin shopping, yes going to an admin to get a second result and not talking it out with the original admin is along those lines, and is against the spirit of this talkpage. I think JBW was in the right field in getting a interaction ban agreement. -- DQ(t) [[Special:Emai(e) 10:46, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
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GregLChes - SpiderGraph
{{User:DeltaQuad/talkdone}} GregLChest (talk · contribs) was asking again about that Commons:File:Hpqscan0002 = The Real Estate SpiderGraph - A Home-Buying Decision-Making Aid.jpg - also noted on Wikipedia:OTRS_noticeboard#SpiderGraph.
I believe you were sorting it out; can you maybe comment on my talk page, in User_talk:Chzz#Gregory_L._Chester? Thanks, Chzz ► 01:06, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
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Hi DQ--you said, "try for a CU". Do you mean I should open an SPI? Or add this to the investigation for the suspected sock master? This is a bit above my paygrade and my computing power (I don't really understand what you meant with "one thing did come back that 94.31.198.161:8088 used as a proxy", but Zzuuzz knows what I've been trying to establish, and he has a pretty good hunch of who might be the master. I would love to be able to hand this off to folks with the technical know-how to do something meaningful; all I can really do is block briefly for vandalism and semi-protect articles. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:52, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- That is me when I don't read my English before I click save. :P What I was trying to say is that that particular IP was used as a proxy before, but is 'looking' (meaning it basically could just be hiding) like it isn't there anymore. You mentioned in your request that you were looking to take this to SPI or CU or something, and I'd recommend that original route as several of the IPs are in the same location, so you might get a positive CU out of the account you mentioned. If Zzuuzz has investigated this further though, then I would defer to his judgement as he knows the history. -- DQ(t) [[Special:Emai(e) 17:01, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
SPI for Wildblue68
Any opinions? causa sui (talk) 17:28, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
Looks like a duck to me but if you got them talking, then lets hold. (I'm also watch listing that page, and for the record you can block for abuse of multiple accounts without an SPI, just might be best to do the paperwork with it just so we know. -- DQ(t) [[Special:Emai(e) 06:54, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
Hi DQ. When you get the chance, please take a look at Thryduulf (talk · contribs)'s response at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Request for closure#Admins needed at WT:NOT. Best, Cunard (talk) 19:53, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
Regarding Wikipedia talk:Non-free content/Archive 52/Archives/ 42#RFC: Clarifying policy on pictures of deceased persons: Would you review the discussion regarding the footnote mentioned in this edit by Herostratus (talk · contribs). Herostratus made the edit, which was reverted, before you closed the RfC. Does the consensus in the RfC support such a footnote, and if so, would you restore it and make a mention of it in your close? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 23:41, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- As i'm looking at the diff, I don't see what value it adds to the page as it is already stated above "All non-free images must still meet each non-free content criteria; failure to meet those overrides any acceptable allowance here.". For me the edit, although pointless, was supported by the RfC because of it's preexistence in the policy already. Hope this helps, -- DQ(t) [[Special:Emai(e) 10:35, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
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Could you please explain...
I know User:Iqinn and User:V7-sport were both indefinitely blocked, for edit-watting, at the same time. I found Iqinn's aggressive editing style, and his or her aggressive commenting style, represented a constant temptation to edit-warring, and to "responding in kind" to their personal comments. I would like to think I managed to avoid succumbing to temptation.
I felt sorry for V7-sport. I am not really that familiar with the details of the escalating disputes they had that resulted in longer and longer blocks, but from my limited observation, and my own experience with Iqinn, I figured the individuals behind User:Iqinn bore the major responsbility. I wrote to V7-sport, in mid-September, and asked their plans, were they planning to work on some other wikis for a while, and then request being unblocked with the record of their positive contribution on that other wiki.
V7-sport said they were still thinking about their plans.
Other than they were both blocked at the same time, was there a particular reason you thought v7-sport was related to Iqinn's sockpuppetry? If so, maybe there is a reason you can't offer that reason. But, if you can, I'd like to know.
It is my impression that Iqinn can create other wiki-ids, and that SPIs will only provide limited help. But truly confirmed sockpuppetry would prevent them from appealing the block and getting it lifted. I hope a checkuser will fully confirm this.
Do you know if it can?
One-sided blocking?
Hi there DQ. Regarding this block for this edit war, can I ask why you only blocked one of the users who was edit warring? Both had violated 3RR. Swarm X 19:21, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
- I did it in relation to an SPI case, and actually only the user I blocked was in violation of 3RR (I know i'm arguing the language of the text of the policy, not something I normally do). I counted the IP revert as the user for the case of the SPI, which breaks the 3RR. That's why I only blocked one not the other. (That's from 16:51, December 14, 2011 by my look) Also, User:Chrisieboy looked like they were ready to talk when things started. Hope this explains. Feel free to bring back any questions. -- DQ(t) [[Special:Emai(e) 01:56, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
- Not to nitpick or anything...but Chrisieboy actually did violate 3RR.[5][6][7][8] It's certainly no matter now, I'm just trying to explain why I was confused. Both were reported at AN3, and I was just curious as to why one escaped a block. :) Swarm X 02:30, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
- Correct me if I'm wrong, but I reverted Jshan826 (and added refs. so it was not a straight revert) at 16:44 and again at 20:40 and 20:52. At 21:01 I reverted the sock, not Jshan826. Using a sockpuppet is an abuse of the system and should not count?? At 20:40, and definitely by 20:52, it was clear to me that Jshan826's edits were vandalism and I left appropriate warnings on his talk pages. I refrained from reverting Jshan826 again as it would have put me in breach of the 3RR; it was my understanding that I was up to the limit at that point.
- Not to nitpick or anything...but Chrisieboy actually did violate 3RR.[5][6][7][8] It's certainly no matter now, I'm just trying to explain why I was confused. Both were reported at AN3, and I was just curious as to why one escaped a block. :) Swarm X 02:30, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
- For the record, I was warned at 21:12 and a case listed at WP:AN3 at 21:30, although no further edits were made by me after the warning. I was not actually notified that a case had been listed and only found out by chance. We don't prosecute people in absentia.
- Jshan826 was blocked by the admin at WP:SPI, not at AN3; you updated the thread at AN3 to reflect the block which, I think, is where the confusion has arisen. I hope you can see that I was acting in good faith. I posted at WP:AN/I, but this has been ignored. I am an established editor; Jshan826's contributions speak for themselves. On that basis alone, I would think it unfair to treat us the same. Chrisieboy (talk) 11:29, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
- Bah...ya I see it now ;) yep, didn't catch that Swarm, thanks for following up on that.
- Chrisieboy, yes you only did three reverts of the exact same content, but you did revert certain parts of the content 4x. To quote the policy as I did above "Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert." - WP:3RR. I'm not going to comment on the specific user. As in regards to ANI, AN3 is probably your better option, I actually saw it at ANI before the SPI and thought to myself that it should be at AN3 instead. Just a heads up in general, no hard feelings. -- DQ(t) [[Special:Emai(e) 23:42, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
- Heh, thanks DQ. :) And Chrisieboy, I don't doubt that you were acting in good faith— as I said at AN3, just keep 3RR in mind in the future and remember that there are very few exemptions to that rule, and you probably won't have to be on the wrong side of an AN3 report ever again. Regards to both of you, Swarm X 20:33, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
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Re the closure, I raised the SPI because I was looking for an uninvolved admin or clerk to analyse the behavioural evidence. I figured that protecting the article was probably the only helpful action that could be taken, but I can't do it myself because I'm involved and it seemed too complicated to be done on the basis of an RFPP request. January (talk) 21:07, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Ok, well looking at the IPs they are all from Cyprus (the most recent editing the article, for the past 50 edits). Beyond that, I'm not sure semi'ing the article right now is the best idea, but getting a 3rd opinion might be the best idea so i'm not taking sides in a dispute. -- DQ(t) [[Special:Emai(e) 02:50, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
...can probably be unprotected :) Stifle (talk) 15:10, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
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Block evaders
Can you block this block evader please?
82.165.35.26 · talk · contribs · block · log · stalk · Robtex · whois · Google · ipcheck · HTTP · geo · rangeblocks · spur · shodan
He's the same person as this
Thanks Pass a Method talk 15:15, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks
Hi, I don't wish to spam your userpage, so sorry if this is wasteful. Just want to say thank you very much for your reply and telling me about the noticeboards with regards to my concerns about vandalism (and my 'biting newcomers' and insulting them) a while back on the page about Queen Zenobia (that post is now archived in December 2011 section). I didn't know about those notice boards before, thanks again fot telling me about them, it is really helpful. Cheers. :) SaSH (talk) 20:30, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
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You closed a certain stub discussion a while back, but it seems the discussion was never implemented. I left a note at Wikipedia_talk:Stub_types_for_deletion#Unfinished_business to try to figure out what action is supposed to be taken. — Carl (CBM · talk) 14:41, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Question
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Block evasion
{{User:DeltaQuad/talkdone}} This IP is back under this new IP:
Can i get a block please? thanks Pass a Method talk 22:42, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- Umm..I blocked that guy back on the 24th per your request. -- DQ(t) [[Special:Emai(e) 22:47, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
Oops, i meant
50.19.178.57 · talk · contribs · block · log · stalk · Robtex · whois · Google · ipcheck · HTTP · geo · rangeblocks · spur · shodan
Sorry, he/she has been stalking me for 4 weeks. Pass a Method talk 22:49, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
Done 50.19.128.0/17 for 1 year as it's Amazon AWS. -- DQ(t) [[Special:Emai(e) 22:59, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- This IP is still unblocked. Pass a Method talk 23:10, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- The whole IP set has been blocked, commonly called a rangeblock. The active block checker notes, that the specific IP has been blocked by a rangeblock. -- DQ(t) [[Special:Emai(e) 23:19, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- This IP is still unblocked. Pass a Method talk 23:10, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
Rev Del
{{User:DeltaQuad/talkdone}} I see that you Rev Del'ed a version of User talk:Logan. You might want to Rev Del the next version after that too where SineBot signed the post. Acps110 (talk • contribs) 17:15, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
Also, could you remove the edit summary from this edit, from 02:38, 2011 February 28 on my talk page where I reverted a vandal. I didn't request the vandal's post rev del'ed, but when it was done the admin missed the fact that my edit summary included a link to that IP that had vandalized. Acps110 (talk • contribs) 17:30, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
- First Done, Second
Not done as it does not fit under the policy for revision deletions. -- DQ(t) [[Special:Emai(e) 17:41, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you
{{User:DeltaQuad/talkdone}} Thank you for the close at Wikipedia talk:Portal. Much appreciated. ;) Cheers, — Cirt (talk) 05:59, 5 January 2012 (UTC)