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WikiProject History (Rated Template-class)
This template is within the scope of WikiProject History, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the subject of History on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
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Update, never mindEdit

Hi. Please hold off for now. still figuring out the naming conventions for sub-categories of this type. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 20:55, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 21 January 2020Edit

Hi. I am the Project Coordinator for this WikiProject. We would like to add some parameters to this template, to allow editors to identify individual articles as being relevant to various task forces, or even perhaps with other history-related wiki projects. below are some of the options we would like to offer.

  • Task forces
    • Contemporary History Task Force
    • Military History Task Force
    • Women in History Task Force

we may have others to add in the near future. please feel free to advise. whomever does this item, we greatly appreciate it. perhaps we will communicate with you further , to explore different options. please feel free to be in touch. thanks!! Sm8900 (talk) 16:52, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

It's great if this project is being revitalised. I have created Template:WikiProject History/sandbox so you try out any changes there, and when ready ask for them to be deployed on the live template. The editor who actions this request may ask you to point to a discussion on the project talk page where consensus for the new task force has been reached. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:04, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
MSGJ that sounds terrific. thanks for your reply. --Sm8900 (talk) 17:32, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

edits to templateEdit

I have made the edits for the new parameter, MSGJ. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 17:34, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

You'll need to look at the syntax of this at {{WPBM}} — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:39, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
@MSGJ:, hi. sorry, I just saw your replies now. I will give this another look. I appreciate your help. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 20:30, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
@MSGJ:,hi. wow, that sure was interedsting. I think I've got it figured it out now. I really appreciate your great technical expertise and input on that. thanks! I sure learned about some cool technical features. you can check my work at Template:WikiProject History/sandbox.
Also, if you want, you can look at my contribs history, just to make sure it's all set up now, at Sm8900 (talk · contribs). I appreciate your help. feel free to be in touch. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 20:48, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
  1. Your syntax looks correct, well done. I've just made a few tweaks.
  2. I would still like to see evidence of discussion with the history project before making this change.
  3. Capitalisation question: to activate the task force you are using |Contemporary History= but to include the importance you are using |Contemporary history-importance=. It would be better to use consistent capitalisation for both. Which is preferred?
  4. If this proposal goes ahead, then Template:WikiProject History/class shows you the categories which will need creating.

Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:51, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

@MSGJ:, thanks!!! below are my replies to your great points above.
  1. thanks!! that's good to hear. re your tweaks, I'm glad to hear that; your help is very welcome.
  2. No problem at all. there has been abundant discussion of this with WikiProject History. Since I am the Lead Coordinator there, I made sure to provide ready update on the talk page there. there has been little verbal back-and-forth there, but there is in fact an extensive talk page section dealing with the entire topic of TAsk Forces, including this one, plus several others, in forthright detail. I hope that's helpful. it is at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_History#New_role_for_Task_Forces.
  3. hm, good point. yes, I prefer to capitalise both words. no problem, I will make that change. that's fine.
  4. that sounds fine; I will be very glad to check that page, and to set up any further categories as needed, promptly.
this all sounds good, and really interesting. I appreciate your help. thanks!!
Steve --Sm8900 (talk) 22:16, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi. I just realized something. as per the list at the link Template:WikiProject History/class, all of the importance and class sub-categories for WikiProject History already show the word "history" in lower-case. this is even though the title of the WIkiProject is always capitalized. the problem is that in this case, the grammatical case used is for the topical field, not for the title of the WikIproject. so based on that, I may need to be consistent with the new categories as well. i will work on this later, and then will ping you. thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 22:15, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

update re sub-categories for task forceEdit

Hi @MSGJ:. I am writing just as a quick verification for your points re capitalization, I checked to see how some sub-categories handle the formatting for capitalization for their sub-categories for Article Importance.

based on that, I have set up the article importance sub-categories for TF Contemporary History, with the topic name capitalized. here is one example: Category:High-importance Contemporary History articles.

I hope that's helpful? thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 22:47, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

main task force category. based on the categories for task forces as shown at Category:WikiProject Novels task forces, which has categories for task forces such as Category:Military fiction task force, I will create a category to be used for this Task Force as well. thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 20:19, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Update, never mindEdit

Hi. Please hold off for now. still figuring out the naming conventions for sub-categories of this type. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 20:55, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

updates madeEdit

Hi. I have now updated the subfolders needed to add the task force for "contemporary history" to this template. is it possible to move ahead now, with adding this data to the template itself, as shown in this sandbox? please feel free to let me know of anything else needed. I appreciate it. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 18:48, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

While the {{help me}} template raises a flag for attention that some editors pay particular attention to, it does not work as a general mechanism to summon editors to do your requests. In this case, I suggest making a template edit request, which I can see that you know how to do, or raise any further discussion to try to get consensus around your proposed changes at, perhaps, a WikiProject talk page.
Also you mention a sandbox but gave no link. Looking at your contributions list, I couldn't immediately see what recent sandbox edits you had made that you might be referring to. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 19:09, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
Perhaps you meant this sandbox? Template:WikiProject History/sandbox
Also, I forgot to ping. @Sm8900:
So, remembering vaguely back to an earlier discussion, did you find a way to have the importance value track down to the task force level without messing up the higher level importance ranking? Testing templates involving categorization is not so easy, as I understand it. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 19:19, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
@Jmcgnh: hi, thanks for your reply!
  • re the sandbox, yes, that is the one.
  • also, re the effects of task force sub-cats on higher cats, I don't think I tracked down an answer yet for that.
re the steps specified in your first reply, I will be glad to review those,m and to do those methodically. I really appreciate your help and your reply on this. thanks! --Sm8900 (talk) 19:22, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

request for editEdit

Hi. can someone please edit this template, using the code at the sandbox for this template? we would like to add a new task force, for contemporary history.

by the way, we will create the sub-folders for this task force once the template changes have been made. we already set up these folders, but they were deleted because they were empty. thanks!

thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 14:18, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

To Sm8900:   done. PI Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 19:54, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
To Paine Ellsworth: thanks!!! --Sm8900 (talk) 02:19, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
sorry, one more question; how do I activate the parameter for "contemporary history task force," i.e. to indicate that an article relates to that task force? thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 03:54, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
To Sm8900: just include the parameters exactly as shown in the documentation (I just added them). Upper- and lower-case appears to be important, for example, make sure you capitalize the first letters in |Contemporary History=. PI Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 05:12, 9 March 2020 (UTC)


{{WikiProject History|class=b|importance=mid|Contemporary History=yes|Contemporary history-importance=mid}}
PI Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 07:38, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Paine Ellsworth, that is good to know. thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 13:25, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Pleasure! Paine  
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