Talk:Yahoo! Sports/Archives/2017

Requested move 15 October 2017

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The result of the move request was: page moved. This one was close, but I feel the arguments based on sourcing are stronger on the side supporting the move, and Wikipedia prefers what reliable sourcing uses, with consistency being secondary to that. Additionally, SMcCandlish presented a strong argument based on the MOS that was not addressed by those opposing a move. As a whole, I feel on the strength of the arguments and the numbers, there is enough of a consensus for a move. TonyBallioni (talk) 04:57, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

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Yahoo! Sports → Yahoo Sports – Used in reliable sources. Hurrygane (talk) 06:37, 15 October 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 03:25, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose - Zero precedent with other related articles, as well as the company, which is still named "Yahoo!"_{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 09:15, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
• Comment: I think they've omitted the exclamation mark in their social media handles because some of them don't allow an exclamation mark. DrStrauss talk 17:33, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
• Comment. Per WP:SOCIALMEDIA, I would not consider those social media links as third-party reliable sources, especially since they are controlled by Yahoo! itself, and thus primary sources. Something like this article from The Times-Picayune or this one from New York Daily News would be some third-party sources, but they still use the exclamation mark. Zzyzx11 (talk) 18:08, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

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• Support – tons of sources use the plainer styling, and sports.yahoo.com omits the bang in their html page titles. Nothing is lost in going without the decoration here. Dicklyon (talk) 05:27, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose per precedent and per the fact that third-party sources still include the exclamation mark. Lepricavark (talk) 12:12, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose I normally don't like to say per precedent but there definitely is some here. Especially since the companies name is Yahoo!. -DJSasso (talk) 12:50, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
• Support as far as I can tell, they style it as "Yahoo Sports" everywhere except where they use the corporate "Yahoo!" iconography. The social media isn't a good source, but their news reporting such as [1] demonstrates their house style. Third-party usage is mixed. power~enwiki (π, ν) 04:04, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
  • I do agree that multiple other pages are subject to the same argument (I checked and Yahoo! Finance has the same thing). My personal experience is that use of the exclamation point by Yahoo has decreased over the past decade, but I have no sources to back that opinion up. power~enwiki (π, ν) 04:07, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
• Support per MOS:TM; the "!" is unnecessary stylization, and the company itself only seems to use it in logo materials; WP does not mimic logos, ever. We only permit extraneous characters or other typographic shenanigans like this when reliable sources do it with near-total consistency when referring to the subject (thus Deadmau5 and iPod and k.d. lang, but not "Ke$ha" for Kesha, "P!nk" for Pink (singer), "SONY" for Sony, etc., etc., etc. – the exceptions were permit to normal orthography are very rare. Yahoo! itself should be RMed next; many RS publishers refuse to include the aggressive-marketing "!" nonsense when referring to the company or its products/services.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ<  07:43, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
• Support. Many, many sources avoid repeating the commercial boosterism of the exclamation mark. It is arguably POV to slavishly repeat ! on Wikipedia, just as all-caps boosterism has been avoided in titles. Tony (talk) 07:47, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose per sources and the parent article Yahoo!.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:24, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
• Support. Yahoo Sports itself excludes the exclamation point,[2] except where they include the "YAHOO!" logo (which is caps, not "Yahoo!"). External sources consistently exclude the exclamation,[3] and it's not needed for pronunciation.--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:28, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
• Support per others and it is clear that the "!" is not commonly used for their sports division. Corky ^{Buzz by the Hornet's Nest} 02:15, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

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