Talk:Yael Arad

1st sentence

I would suggest "Yael Arad (....) is a retired judoka and was the first Israeli to win an Olympic medal, ending a long period of 40 years ..". Agreed? Thanks Kvsh5 (talk) 14:56, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Copyright

I have removed copyrighted material taken from http://www.jewsinsports.org/ (search for "Yael Arad" and click on one of the results). This material was added to the article by User:Darius Dhlomo, who is the subject of a copyright investigation. This material must not be readded to the article. Hut 8.5 11:57, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

If you paid any attention at all, you would see that this material is not a copy violation. I have rewritten the bulk of it, and added new sources. I don't know who Darius Dhlomo is, but I have worked on this article, and object to your removal of my work.--Geewhiz (talk) 12:01, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Your changes make the article a derivative work of the original copyrighted version, because you merely altered the original rather than rewriting the content from scratch. The version following your edits is therefore still copyrighted. I recognise that this is not originally your fault, but including the content nevertheless violates copyright law. Please do not reinsert it. If you can rewrite the content from scratch then it can be added to the article. Hut 8.5 12:26, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

This article does not violate any copyright law. It is based on many different sources, which I have personally added, and the content added by Darius Dhlomo several years ago has been copyedited and revised many times over. I am at a loss to understand what your problem is. All Wikipedia articles are based on derivative material. In this case, I have rewritten almost every sentence and brought in new sources for them. Blanket reversion is not the way to go. If there is a specific sentence that needs rewriting, please let me know. Thank you.--Geewhiz (talk) 13:20, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

If an editor makes revisions to a copyrighted version of an article, the revised version has the same copyright status as the original. In this case your version of the article (which was originally based on the copyrighted content added by Darius Dhlomo) has the same copyright status as the original from jewsinsports.org, which is not licensed in a way that is suitable for Wikipedia. If Darus Dhlomo had written his own original content without copying from anyone else then there is no problem - even though the work is still derivative, it's a derivative of a freely licensed version and Wikipedia can use it.

The only way to rewrite the article is to delete everything that is based on Darius' copyright violation and rewrite it from scratch. If you want to attempt this I will be happy to provide links to help you. Hut 8.5 13:35, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

??????? I don't know what you are talking about. Darus Dhlomo has not touched this article in years. I have quoted from a large selection of new sources that Dhlomo Momo Como never cast an eye on. By that logic, all of Wikipedia needs to be erased--Geewhiz (talk) 13:46, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

The fact that Darius hasn't edited the article since 2006 doesn't mean anything. What counts is the fact that the current version of the article is based ultimately on what he wrote. If you don't believe me, compare Darius' version with yours:

• Darius: "Arad began studying judo at the age of eight, tagging along with her older brother to his lessons." You: "She began training in judo at the age of 8, tagging along to her older brother's lessons."
• Darius: "In 1983, at the age of sixteen years, she was the runner-up in the 56-kg class in the German Open for Cadets." You: "In 1983, at the age of 16, Yael finished runner-up in a 56 kg class German Open Cadets Championship."
• Darius: "After her stint in the army, Arad found encouragement from past judo champions in Europe. " You: "After serving in the Israel Defense Forces, Arad began training in Europe and Japan."
• Darius: "She steadily improved her results and placed second in the German Open in 1988. The following year, she finished third at the European Championships." You: "She steadily improved her results and placed second in the German Open Championship in 1988. The following year, she finished third at the European Championships."
• Darius: "In 1990, Arad defeated the world No. 1 and No. 2 before losing in the finals and taking home the silver medal at a tournament in Germany." You: "In 1990, Arad defeated the two top world judokas before losing in the finals and taking home the silver medal in a tournament in Germany."
• Darius: "Arad finished in second place at the 1993 World and European Championships, and placed fifth at the 1995 World Championships." You: "She finished in second place at the 1993 World and European Championships and fifth at the 1995 World Championships."
• Darius: "On the eve of the 1996 Summer Olympics, Arad had been Israeli champion sixteen times and had competed in 49 international competitions, winning 24 medals; seven gold, eight silver, and nine bronze." You: "On the eve of the 1996 Summer Olympics in Atlanta, Arad had won the Israeli championship 16 times and had competed in 49 international competitions. She had won 24 medals: seven gold, eight silver, and nine bronze"
• Darius: "In 1997, she was elected to the Israeli Olympic Committee as a sports representative." You: "In 1997, she was elected to the Olympic Committee of Israel as a sports representative."
• Darius: "After winning her medal, she dedicated it to the victims of the 1972 Munich Massacre." You: "Arad dedicated the medal to the victims of the 1972 Munich Massacre."

Your version is just a modification of Darius'. You have added some new sentences, and some new references, but that doesn't change the fact that it is a modification of Darius' version. They therefore have the same copyright status, and since Darius' original was copyrighted (he had copied it from an external website) your version is also copyrighted and must be removed. Hut 8.5 14:07, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

And when I say "rewrite" I mean "delete all the content and start from scratch", not merely "rephrase what was there already". There are some suggestions here on how to do it properly. Hut 8.5 14:23, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed

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