Talk:William Maldon

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Hi, This one-sentence biography has one good reference. After searching, I'm unable to find more references to establish notability. It is missing biographical content such as early life, Career, Personal life, Achievements and honours. Please help this article for it to remain on Wikipedia. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 18:24, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Lightburst (talk) 18:59, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that William Maldon learned to read, which resulted in him almost being killed by his father? Source: Norton, David (2000). A History of the English Bible as Literature (PDF). Cambridge University Press. p. 10–11.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Gauthierite

5x expanded by Pbritti (talk). Self-nominated at 21:47, 23 July 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/William Maldon; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• New enough and large enough expansion. QPQ present. I removed the {{expand}} tag; I don't think all the sections would be very applicable to this particular biography, and you did a good job rescuing this from PROD. The hook fact checks out to source. No textual issues. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 00:33, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

I guess I do understand the hook after reading. Lightburst (talk) 18:59, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Aniconography

Hi @Pbritti, I just wanted to check in about the revert you did about a direct connection to aniconographic movement.

I totally concede that me going over the entirety of Foxe's Book of Martyrs and trying to understand it word by word is kind of against Wikipedia:No original research. The English used is not too dense – mostly, to be honest, it is just before the english-language spelling reform#16th and 17th centuries that came a little bit afterwards. But I may have edited… a tad eagerly? My apologies. In particular, the policy All analyses and interpretive or synthetic claims about primary sources must be referenced to a secondary or tertiary source and must not be an original analysis of the primary-source material by Wikipedia editors. is, well, applicable here, yeah.

Still, I maintain my view. The particular on graven images is pretty fundamental to the reason for his self-accounted martyrship, which is the reason for the notability in the first place. Maldon's own account is that was airing his grievances on the "knocking of the breast" etc against the crucifix icon to his mother, but fearful, she told Maldon's father, at which he grew violent.

This article is essentially a commentary on the Foxe account – Maldon does not, to wit, appear anywhere else, and the references, to my wit, are commentary. I admit "Related: aniconographic movement" is wild – maybe "related: aniconography" is better.

Summarising the account feels like a stretch but sort of is analogous to summarising any narrative, like a novel. This entire article originates from his account in Foxe's Actes and Monuments, so it feels odd not to summarise it.

Would you object if I were to add a Autobiographical account section that strictly summarises the Foxe account – more, ah, carefully, and with better page sourcing?

Many thanks for your time! Mia ^{a data witch (chat)} 10:50, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Mia yun Ruse: Hi! Thank you for the ping. I'm sorry, but do you mind linking the relevant edits here so that I can see precisely what you're talking about? I think the edits in question occurred almost a year ago, so I don't recall the specifics. I have the article on my watchlist, so you don't need to ping me in your reply! Best, ~ Pbritti (talk) 11:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Not at all! My edit is here. I think I made a fault in my choice of words, to be entirely honest. Activist in the lede is wrong, and confusing aniconography with iconoclasm is a bit of a tired mistake. Maldon wasn't calling for destruction of iconography at all – he was just questioning it a tiny bit.

The transcription I made, with the archive.org link to the source, can be found here. The transcription mostly deals with consistent modern spelling, such that it's not so tiresome to grok what's going on. Hope it helps. Mia ^{a data witch (chat)} 13:08, 13 August 2024 (UTC)