Talk:Wife (song)

Requested move 30 May 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Lightoil (talk) 19:09, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

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Wife ((G)I-dle song) → Wife (song) – No other articles about song titled "Wife" PepeBonus (talk) 09:04, 25 May 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). 162 etc. (talk) 15:15, 30 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Bensci54 (talk) 16:54, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• The song by Mitski appears to have enough coverage to make it notable and I don't think there's a PDAB primary topic. I've redirected the target to the main dab page for now.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:00, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

  Unless and until Wife (Mitski song) gets its own article, this is unambiguous, per WP:SONGDAB. 162 etc. (talk) 19:27, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

  The question is whether it's notable or not, rather than whether there's an article... I see some sources giving the song coverage, therefore it might be notable.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:03, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

  No, according to WP:SONGDAB, "unless more than one article about songs of the same name exist, there is no need to disambiguate any further." This is a well-established naming convention. 162 etc. (talk) 22:09, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

  Per WP:PRIMARYRED if the non existent article is notable then we use the full qualifier. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:28, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

  Indeed. And the RFC which established the SONGDAB guideline was clear that it was for situations where the other songs of that name are not themselves notable.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:35, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: I'd like to see further evidence to show that the song by Mitski is or is not the primary topic before closing. Bensci54 (talk) 16:54, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

What if there's WP:NOPRIMARY? jlwoodwa (talk) 00:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

The primary topic is Wife. I don't believe anyone here is proposing to change that. 162 etc. (talk) 03:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't think we're talking about the same thing. Wife cannot be the primary topic for "Wife (song)", because the subject of the article Wife is not a song. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

My relisting comment was regarding if there is a valid primary topic for Wife (song). Is it the Mitski song, or the (G)i-dle song? Per WP:PRIMARYRED (invoked by Crouch, Swale above), if the Mitski song is the primary topic for Wife (song), then Wife (song) needs to redirect to the album article. If it is not (i.e. there is no primary topic between the two, or the (G)I-dle song is primary), then the requested move should be carried out per WP:SONGDAB as it would be out of the scope of WP:PRIMARYRED. That's my take on the situation and why I requested more discussion regarding primary topic. Bensci54 (talk) 19:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

WP:PRIMARYRED states that If there is no primary topic, then the disambiguation page should be the primary landing page. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:22, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Y'all are confused. The primary topic is the one with no disambiguation tag. That's Wife. We're not discussing that here.

The disambiguated title, Wife (song), is for article about the song. The Mitski song has no article, so per WP:SONGDAB, this article (Wife ((G)I-dle song)) is the only one we consider. 162 etc. (talk) 20:44, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Disambiguated titles can also have primary topics! This is precisely what WP:PDAB is about. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:50, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Regarding the situation where there is no primary topic, in my opinion the RFC-backed consensus at WP:SONGDAB would have more weight than WP:PRIMARYRED, although it is clear that these two guidelines do conflict in this instance. Bensci54 (talk) 14:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Songs, WikiProject Women in Music, and WikiProject Korea have been notified of this discussion. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 04:04, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Support per nomination. Can always be changed back if new articles are created. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 05:21, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Support per nomination. As QuietHere says, this can always be changed as needed. Lenoresm (talk) 15:27, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.