Talk:West German rearmament

Latest comment: 4 years ago by YoungForever in topic Requested move 25 May 2020

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We need a better title for this, how about "West German rearmament"? PatGallacher (talk) 20:41, 14 March 2010 (UTC)Reply

The first sentence doesn't make sense. This didn't have anything to do with building up West-Germany. --197.228.6.25 (talk) 05:55, 17 April 2015 (UTC)Reply

It doesn't make sense because it's a sequence of sentences that make little sense in English, not just because of the content fallacies.2.25.32.77 (talk) 00:52, 20 April 2017 (UTC)Reply

Missing coverage of moral deliberations and social conflict

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The article fails to cover both the continued social and medial debate preceeding and acompanying the rearmament (See Wiederbewaffnung) and the moral and social principles developed as basis for the new German army's self-conception (see Bundeswehr, Innere Führung and Staatsbürger in Uniform) --Azrael aaaaa (talk) 11:23, 17 April 2019 (UTC)Reply

Questions on unclear/confusing phrases

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Initial paragraph: "They could not function outside an alliance framework" (Meaning?)

Section on intelligence buildup: "Eventually the operations were set to the ground as well" (Meaning?)

Section on 1951 conference: "The EEDCCD was held in Paris" (What is the EEDCCD?)

Confused on these phrases and not confident enough to edit or delete them. What to do? Starkenborgher (talk) 04:09, 1 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

I rewrote the first and removed the second and third. Did a bit of layout work and copy edit. I'm not up to sourcing and translating though. – Reidgreg (talk) 15:21, 17 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 25 May 2020

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Page moved to West German rearmament. (non-admin closure)YoungForever(talk) 00:00, 2 June 2020 (UTC)Reply



WiederbewaffnungGerman rearmament after World War II
I am proposing a move of this article, from Wiederbewaffnung (German: "rearmament") to a natural, descriptive title in English; perhaps German rearmament after World War II. (See related move request at Talk:German rearmament.)

The term Wiederbewaffnung is not the WP:COMMONNAME for the post-WW II rearmament of Germany in reliable English sources, and is absent from major English dictionaries. I don't believe there is any single, commonly recognized, WP:PRECISE, WP:CONCISE, term in English sources that unambiguously specifies the post-WW II rearmament of Germany in fewer words than that. If you look into the sources listed in the article, they do use briefer phrases inside the book ("German rearmament", "rebuilding the military", and so on) which are unambiguous in context given the post-WW II topic of the book, but they would be ambiguous standing alone.

None of the sources in this article have the German term in the title. Rather, they use any of various descriptive expressions to specify the time period, usually in one of two ways (emphasis added):

  • by naming an interval in their titles, such as "...the Build-Up of the German Federal Navy, 1950-1960" (Snyder), or
  • by specifying a political unit that implies the era: (as in "West German Rearmament"; Onslow), or a leader that does so (as in, "Rearmament in the Adenauer Era"; Large).

When there is no common name in English, article title policy calls for the use of a natural, descriptive title. I propose "German rearmament after World War II", "German rearmament after the Second World War", or "Post-World War II German rearmament".

Note that there is a related discussion going on at Talk:German rearmament. Mathglot (talk) 20:57, 25 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

Listed at WT:GERMANY, WT:MILHIST. Mathglot (talk) 21:24, 25 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
(edit conflict × 2) Notifying top contribs plus a trusted historian: @Ezeidler, Reidgreg, Stonewall161, K.e.coffman, Starkenborgher, Ulf Heinsohn, Tobby72, and Rjensen:. (Note: the anon creator has been inactive since 2005.) Mathglot (talk) 21:35, 25 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
As per Buidhe We need to distinguish between the rearmament of the two Germanies.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:36, 25 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
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