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Good article reassessment for Parsifal

Parsifal has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 03:59, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Frederick William IV of Prussia#Requested move 26 January 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Frederick William IV of Prussia#Requested move 26 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел (talk) 02:51, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Rides and inns? Translation, please

I encountered the term "rides and inns" today, and I couldn't decipher what "inns" meant. The term is used in 4 Wiki articles: Hanover Schützenfest, Hanover, Oktoberfest celebrations, and Schützenfest. I know "rides" means carnival ride. Does anyone have any idea what "inns" means? Or a better word or term we can use in English?   ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 09:31, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Black Horror on the Rhine#Requested move 5 February 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Black Horror on the Rhine#Requested move 5 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 23:51, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 February 9 § Category:GA-Class Nazi Germany articles

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 February 9 § Category:GA-Class Nazi Germany articles. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 03:25, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Maus#Requested move 11 February 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Maus#Requested move 11 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Schierbecker (talk) 17:28, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Rhein cabinet#Requested move 3 March 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Rhein cabinet#Requested move 3 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:01, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Use of David Irving as a source

I've started a discussion on the use of David Irving's The Rise and Fall of the Luftwaffe in the Dornier Do 19 and Junkers Ju 89 articles at WP:RSN - here.Nigel Ish (talk) 18:31, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Invitation to participate in the discussion

Hi everyone. I invite you all to participate in the discussion on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Infoboxes#City related articles infoboxes to come to a common interpretation about the infobox image format for the city related articles. It would be of a great help. 456legendtalk 16:57, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

FAR for unification of Germany

User:Buidhe has nominated Unification of Germany for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:26, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Skirmish of the Berlin Schloss#Request to rename to "Battle of the Berlin Palace"

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Skirmish of the Berlin Schloss#Request to rename to "Battle of the Berlin Palace" that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. GHStPaulMN (talk) 12:11, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Otto II, Holy Roman Emperor#Requested move 27 February 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Otto II, Holy Roman Emperor#Requested move 27 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел (talk) 14:45, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Charles Edward, Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha

An article relevant to this Wikiproject is being considered for FA status (See Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Charles Edward, Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha/archive1). Any comments would be appreciated. Llewee (talk) 00:11, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

General advice

I have been meaning to start this discussion for a while but just now getting around to it. Hoping someone is active on German Wikipedia that can advise. We have had a persistent sock farm on EN Wikipedia that has attempted to create a page for Jishnu Raghavan. They have threatened to keep coming back until the page is created and have attempted it dozens of times from multiple accounts in different name variations to avoid detection. You can see the SPI here which goes back to 2022. While we have been playing whack a mole with them on EN Wikipedia, they have created the page in about 20 other language Wikipedia projects (including German). Does anyone know if DE Wikipedia has the same G5 policy as EN Wikipedia? CNMall41 (talk) 01:19, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

@DerHexer: would be the person who could know. I lost track of what is policy on deWiki. Agathoclea (talk) 09:20, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, there are no speedy deletion criteria similar to WP:G5 at dewiki unfortunately. Unless there are huge quality issues (or if notability is questionable) it's not really possible to delete such articles at dewiki.

I've deleted the article at multiple small wikis, you might want to raise the issue at meta:Talk:Wikiproject:Antispam to notify larger wikis. Johannnes89 (talk) 05:58, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice and the deltions. I will look into the meta link you sent as well. --CNMall41 (talk) 05:41, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks to Johannnes who helped out with this topic when I was travelling. Best, —DerHexer (Talk) 21:54, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hans Julius Wolff (jurist) is not the same thing as Hans Julius Wolff (administrative scientist)

Currently, the only article on "Hans Julius Wolff" is the one on the jurist. There is no article about the administrative scientist. The problem is, under 1898 births/1976 deaths, there is the Hans Julius Wolff article. Remember, the Hans Julius Wolff article on (English) Wikipedia is about the jurist, NOT the administrative scientist. And, taking into account the previous knowledge, it is disheartening to learn that the admin. scientist was the one who was born in 1898 and died in 1976. Also, (admittedly, the more Germany-related part of this) the English Wikipedia "Hans Julius Wolff" article is under the People from Elberfeld and Jurists from North Rhine-Westphalia categories. The jurist was from Berlin. Check out Hans Julius Wolff (Rechtshistoriker) vs. Hans Julius Wolff (Verwaltungswissenschaftler) on German Wikipedia. Cheers, Helminths Hooray! (talk) 02:41, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

@Helminths Hooray!, the stub Hans Julius Wolff is about the 1898–1976 Hans Julius Wolff (Verwaltungswissenschaftler). To write an article about the different person Hans Julius Wolff (Rechtshistoriker), who lived 1902–1983, please use a new title, for example Hans Julius Wolff (legal historian), do not overwrite the old article. —Kusma (talk) 16:54, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Kusma, the stub quite literally says "German jurist (1898-1976)". If it was changed to "German judge (1898-1976)", it would be better, but it should (like the German Wikipedia article) say "German administrative scientist and judge (1898-1976)". Thanks for the reply though, Helminths Hooray! (talk) 00:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Kusma! I now created an article for Hans Julius Wolff (legal historian), and it is pending review! I do have a suggestion, though. Don't just change the description of the original article, change the title, too (from "Hans Julius Wolff" to "Hans Julius Wolff (administrative scientist)", or something along those lines). Thanks a billion times, Helminths Hooray! (talk) 00:33, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Here's the draft: Draft:Hans Julius Wolff (legal historian). Feel free to critique and edit it all you want. I'm sure it needs the help! Forever grateful, Helminths Hooray! (talk) 00:47, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@Helminths Hooray!, we don't disambiguate titles if there are no other articles on en-wiki with the same title. So we won't change it to Hans Julius Wolff (administrative scientist or whatever until there's actually a problem where we have two articles both called "Hans Julius Wolff". Even once your article is in mainspace, we'll probably just put a Hatnote on it to link to the other Wolff. -- asilvering (talk) 04:12, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Got it! Helminths Hooray! (talk) 22:25, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Zwetschgenkuchen

Hello everyone, I'm cleaning up Category:Cakes right now and I came across this German dessert. Can anyone let me know if this is thought of as more of a pie or a cake? It currently has the Category:German pies category, but it looks like a cake to me. Cheers! BaduFerreira (talk) 03:45, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

@BaduFerreira: German cakes are usually not thought of as desserts, but are eaten at a separate meal ("Kaffee und Kuchen", coffee and cake) in the afternoon. Germans don't really have a concept of "pies" (a pecan pie looks like a cake to me), but according to our article on pie, it makes some sense to classify Zwetschgenkuchen as a pie. I can't understand why apple cake isn't classified as a pie, though, so take my words with a large helping of salt. Bienenstich doesn't seem like a pie to me at all. Overall, I think you are asking a question about the usage of the English word "pie" more than one about German culture. —Kusma (talk) 06:53, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Might be helpful to check with our expert food editors: @Valereee, can I ask you for your opinion on the cake/pie boundary? —Kusma (talk) 07:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping! Always interested in food. :) Hm...in the US, we wouldn't consider that a pie. To me it looks like a coffee cake or cobbler, both of which are generally considered US dishes, although coffee cake was developed in areas of heavy German immigration and cobbler much earlier, it throws back to England and variations are found across the Commonwealth. I looked at Category:German pies, and the only ones that have their names rendered in German are Zwetschenkuchen, Bienenstich, and Kuchen, none of which look at all like pies to me...it's almost like someone decided if it was cut into triangles and it's known in Germany, it's a German pie. Same with Template:German_pies...the only inclusion that looks like a pie to me is cream pie, and again I'm not sure why it's marked as German both in the infobox and the nav template.

The category German pies looks like it was created by GerPiesger who only made 45 edits and hasn't edited since 2018. The nav template was created by AmericanAir88, who hasn't edited much lately, looks like they've been busy, but maybe they'll have time to respond to a ping for insight on their rationale for the template.

In absence of any input, my strong feeling is that if German editors think there's no such thing as a German pie, and if no one who isn't German thinks any of these look like pies, the category and nav template might not be needed. Valereee (talk) 11:15, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

And from a look at their contributions, it does look like GerPiesger created the cat and added all of these to the category and for some of them included it in the infoboxes, etc., all on their first and only day of editing. I think this is probably an inexperienced editor who maybe thought if they had ever seen it in Germany, a food item must qualify to be considered German. I'm guessing AA88 might have just followed that lead, thinking if there was a cat, a nav box would also be helpful. Good catch, @BaduFerreira. Valereee (talk) 11:36, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

I've removed the pies from both the cat and the nav template, as there's no evidence in any of those articles that the dishes are German. I'm a little less sure of the remaining entries, probably needs more research on whether in Germany these are ever considered "pies", but based on the comment here by Kusma and the fact Apple pie, which has an entry in ~40 languages but is not present on de.wiki, I suspect both category and nav box should be emptied and deleted. Valereee (talk) 13:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Two pictures of things you probably consider apple pies are visible at de:Apfelkuchen, which is linked to apple cake. Lemon meringue pie and Key lime pie are classified as "Torte" in German. Pecan pie is described as a "Kuchen", while Bündner Nusstorte is called a "Torte". "Pie" as a concept is something foreign to Germany, anything called "German pies" is either WP:SYNTH original research that takes German Kuchen/Torte and puts it into a British or American classification system, or just a claim that some American pie is "German" because it was popular with German immigrants. According to de:Pie, "Pie" in German always denotes British or American pies. I will nominate the template and category for deletion. —Kusma (talk) 13:22, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Kusma, that is hilarious that on de, the Apfelkuchen article is using a photo of an apple pie that seems to have been taken by an English speaker...hahahahaha! Valereee (talk) 14:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

German language in the United States

Please could someone familiar with the topic take a look at German language in the United States, which has a very large, and old, cleanup notice? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:44, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Kaunas Fortress

Kaunas Fortress has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 04:09, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Template:"WikiProject" West Germany

{{WikiProject West Germany}} simply wraps {{WikiProject Germany}}, and is neither a WikiProject nor a task-force, weirdly in limbo between the two, and seems like a work-around or a compromise to some discussion or prevailing sentiment back in/before 2016. If so, has consensus been reached in one direction or another? Should transclusions of {{WikiProject West Germany}} be kept as-is and added to other West Germany topics, or changed to {{WikiProject Germany}}?   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  14:08, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

I didn't even know this template exists, and it does not appear to be widely used. I would suggest to change to the main {{WikiProject Germany}} unless someone actually starts a task force. —Kusma (talk) 16:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Lack of sources for Oswald Spengler's "prophetic quote"

There is a supposedly prophetic quote in Spengler's article…

"in ten years, a German Reich will probably no longer exist" ("da ja wohl in zehn Jahren ein Deutsches Reich nicht mehr existieren wird!")

… with one 1964 book as source. While that book does provide the quote, in turn citing an unknown other source, if you search it on Google, you get no more than 19 self-referencing results.

For a quote of that caliber, this seems far too few to be deemed reliable. You'd expect it to be all over works from the past 75+ years.

— 2003:EA:F48:9B00:F13D:EB2:C222:A37E (talk) 16:28, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

It is not in the edition of Spengler's letters, [1]. Not sure this quote is real. —Kusma (talk) 16:50, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

I think the source is the memories of well-known liar Hans Frank. —Kusma (talk) 19:24, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

I have removed it from the article. —Kusma (talk) 20:03, 22 April 2024 (UTC)