Talk:We Don't Need to Whisper

Kerrang!

I think the subsections of this article need to be quoted, as they are taken from an issue of the magazine Kerrang!

MTV comments about the album

Former Blink-182 guitarist Tom DeLonge has settled on a release date and title for the debut album by his new band Angels & Airwaves — well, almost. According to a spokesperson for A&A's label, Geffen Records, the record is tentatively titled We Don't Need to Whisper but will most definitely be in stores May 23rd.

Source: [1]

OK... maybe this clears up some rumors and edit discussions here and there...--Greedy 02:33, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

DanO?

"A portion of this song was played in the 94.4 interview, and leaked onto the internet by 'DanO' on the Angels and Airwaves official forum."

It was an open radio bradcast. There is no way someone can be credited as the first one to release such material. Also, the radio itself released the audio on their website.

Stop making those comments please.--Greedy 20:43, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

The Adventures

The song that has been released for broadcasting on radio stations is in fact a different version: the sort of gasping that appeared after each line on the leaked version were removed.

I added that line, maybe it needs some further editing. Check if you can revise it please.--Greedy 14:04, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Removed Kerrang! song descriptions

I removed the whole Kerrang! section. The reason is that those descriptions are already included on every song article. I think that what the article needs now is an analysis of the concept of the album. I have a vague idea of it, it is about "Love" and "War". After some research I may add that information. If anyone has that information, please add it. Peace! --Zingazin 01:54, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Comment by Omnipotent1

The album seems to make heavy reference to Tom's feelings about the blink-182 break-up and his sadness over the current state of his relationship with Mark ("your best friend is not your girlfriend"). At the same time, he's very excited about his new band and the new life journey on which he is embarking. He sets these feelings in the context of larger themes of love and war.--Omnipotent1 21:51, 27 April 2006 (EDT)

Why do you cite the line from "It Hurts"? Tom stated clearly that it is a song about a cheating girlfriend. Anyway, why would Mark be Tom's girlfriend?.-Zingazin 17:50, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Origin of the band's name

Information to rewrite for the origin of the band's name:

The name Angels and Airwaves popped into DeLonge's head while he was driving. He wasn't certain about the name at first, but then he realized that "Angels and Airwaves" abbreviated as "AAA"—and that if he inverted the middle A, it spelled AVA, which is also the name of Tom’s daughter.

— Unknown, Amazon.com

This information is quite useful for a comment on the article.-Zingazin 18:51, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

On-line chat, June 14: Tom DeLonge says It just seemed like the perfect fusion .. An angelic sound. The way we were going to deliver our message through the airwaves. It just sounded like the perfect fit. ebi 00:19, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

The machine??

what's this uk bonus track you can get? the machine??? if any one knows were i can get it can u please tell me thanx --Jordans 08:47, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I doubt it's factual, given the preceding song is called "Start the Machine". Plus, Amazon UK even lists the track under the name "Start the Machine". [2] --HarryCane 15:11, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Just check this site. Look at those pictures.-Zingazin 17:35, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

It's very similar to "Start the Machine", without the toy-piano-melody. The lyrics are the same. Anyways, I prefer the original "Start the Machine". You can order "IMPORT" CDs from amazon.com :P

I went a little edit happy

I think my edits fixes some items that are not notable, and don't belong here.--4.225.35.96 01:48, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Album sales

Please stop including vaguely added first week sales in the article. There are more contries than just the US, UK, and Canada where the album went on sale and unless there is an official statement made about worldwide sales, those are not to be included. Same with the "892,462 copies" that the album has allegedly sold. Either cite your sources or leave it out of Wikipedia. Thanks! --HarryCane 19:05, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Do It For Me Now Live Bonus

The "Do It For Me Now" Live Bonus track is not JUST a U.K. Bonus, it's a bonus in all of Europe, because I had it on my Swiss version.

My argentinian copy of the album has that same bonus track.-Zingazin 23:54, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Opinion?

So far, Tom DeLonge's hype over the album has nearly and almost completely died down over the fact it is argued to have "The same rhythm and tone in each and every song. It just has the same the same tune in every part. Nothing seems to change and it seems like it' just one road, going on and on to the point where it's complelety hopeless to continue on listening.

The above seems like more of an opinion, than anything else....

This article is terrible

I am not a huge fan of this band so I can't offer much to clean it up, but this article is one of the worst I've seen on Wikipedia. POV statements with no citations, horrible formatting and grammar, no structure whatsoever...c'mon people, you can do better.

I agree. There is no consistency whatsoever in the "We Don't Need To Whisper" section, eg, people have alternatives like WDNTW, or italic We Don't Need To Whisper. Also there are not many links in the main intro. EmeZxX 11:57, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't mean to stereotype, but I wonder if the poor quality of this article had anything to do with the type of fanbase that DeLonge cultivated in Blink. But enough about that.

With respect to the above comment regarding correlation between fanbase and quality, the awful pun "We Don't Need to Wonder" comes to mind. This page seems blatantly written by 13-year-olds who draw inspiration from amazon spotlight reviews, yet themselves can't write well at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.118.233.150 (talk) 19:08, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Valkyrie Missile

Can someone make an article on the song Valkyrie Missle that would be awesome

Sorry dude, no offense but that song is terrible. The intro is WAY too long, it doesn't peak, and it's WAY overproduced (organ melody and walkie-talkie). Wikipedia doesn't make articles on bad songs. So, yeah.--Yellow Stripe 21:59, 21 December 2006 (UTC) You should keep your opinions to yourself... and keep to the fact that we don't do song articles, except for a mainly classic songs. --ItsYourEmpire09 (talk) 03:41, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Progressive Rock?

Are you sure AVA are progressive rock?I thought they were emo. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.188.20.171 (talk) 17:24, 10 April 2007 (UTC).

There actually alternative >.> How is AvA emo? Not in the least. --ItsYourEmpire09 (talk) 03:41, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Leak.

On-line chat, June 14: Yozy asks When can we expect a new song? Atom Dillard says Late August. The record comes out on October. Unless somebody breaks into Tom's e-mail again.... That's how our first single got leaked was a kid actually broke into Tom's email account.

ebi 00:17, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Tom leaked the album so fans would know the words to the songs... 172.159.81.204 18:47, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Someone screwed with the Reviews!

When I came here a few weeks ago, the reviews were more average, like some people giving the album 2 stars while others gave it 4. Now it appears some fanboy has imported a heel of a lot more "good" reviews, and +44's article seems to have a few more bad critics. CZMQFRG 15:02, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Trivia

I'm removing the trivia section since it is mostly unencyclopedic and has been commented out anyway. I've copied here in case any of it can be incorporated into the other sections of the article later. —Akrabbim^talk 19:39, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Collapsed trivia

Although lead singer Tom DeLonge initially stated that the album would run from 60 to 75 minutes, the final version is just a little under 50 minutes in length. The album booklet features screen shots from the AVA documentary. The album cover was stated by Tom to represent "the infinite potential of a human being." CDs that were pre-ordered had a bonus autographed booklet signed by the band members. According to the official website, Tom DeLonge suggests to listen to the album in a dark room, with a candle as the only light. Although it contains only 3 profanities, and no other objectionable content, even less than any blink-182 album, it was released with a Parental Advisory label. However the bands next album I-Empire also contained 3 profanities, but did not receive a Parental Advisory label. According to the official website, Tom DeLonge believes the album is "like a child, born into this world with endless potential." Tom DeLonge once referred to his vocals on the album as 'like a multitude of angels'. The title of the album "We Don't Need to Whisper" can be heard whispered at the beginning of the song "Good Day". "The Adventure", "Start the Machine" and "Valkyrie Missile" are sampled in the track "Heaven" from the band's second album, I-Empire. The Song "Valkyrie Missile" was performed at the launch event for Windows Vista. "The Gift" appeared in the pilot episode of the popular TV series, Gossip Girl. The instrumental introduction for "The Adventure" was used in a Ford car commercial. The guitar riff from "The Adventure" is used in many sport highlights and recaps. "It Hurts" is available as downloadable content for the video game Rock Band. It is also available on Rock Band Track Pack Vol 2. The instrumental introduction for "The Adventure" was used for a TV commercial for G4's videogame review show, X-Play. "The Adventure" was used in the first episode of the TV Reality show Celebrity Circus. "The War" is the theme song for the show Two-A-Days on MTV.

Critter

While I can't find a suitable link or reference (other than the documentary "Start the Machine") I think it would be valuable somewhere to discuss the contributions of the sound engineer "Critter" who worked on this project. Tom states in the documentary essentially that their goal for the project was to be experimental as much as possible, and while the musical elements of the band leave some to be desired, they did succeed very well at creating a combined alternative and computer music sound. Much of the computer/effect sounds on the album are due to Critter's work with the band and their search for unorthodox and unusual sounds, and it seems to me that his contribution to the album is well worth noting as it is critical to their sound. St0rmWyvrn (talk) 19:30, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Lead needs citations

I added the unreferenced section template in the page's lead because there are zero citations. Phrases such as "Equally inspired by personal crises and global events," should be cited. Wikipedia is a factual reference, not a source of information we believe to be true. teratogen (talk) 16:40, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Greetings. You're certainly correct that all information in Wikipedia articles should be cited to reliable sources. But according to the relevant portion of our Manual of Style, a lead is designed to "briefly summarize the most important points covered in an article". Our MoS also tells us: "Apart from trivial basic facts, significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article." For this reason, it is often not necessary to have citations in the lead at all. The reason is that those same statements in the lead are given in the body of the article, in more detail, and are cited there. There's no need to duplicate the same citations in the lead, when those statements are cited below. I encourage you to read WP:LEADCITE, which explains that although it can sometimes be appropriate to put citations in leads in some cases, it is not required. If the lead makes a statement that you question, find where that statement is given in the body, and it should be cited there. If it is not, you can put a {{fact}} tag in the body. If the statement is not supported by anything in the article body, then it doesn't belong in the lead and can be removed. (In this particular case, the statement you question, "Equally inspired by personal crises and global events", is given in the "Recording and production" section. There it is explained and expanded on, and it is appropriately sourced. If the same source were give in the lead, it would be redundant.)

If you look through our list of Featured Articles, "considered to be the best articles Wikipedia has to offer", you'll find many that have no citations in the lead. There are dozens and dozens of such examples. Other FAs do have citations, and there's nothing wrong with that; if want to put citations in this lead, no one will stop you. But it's not required, except for direct quotes and other rare situations. This is why the {{Unreferenced section}} should never be used in the lead. All the best, – Quadell ^(talk) 17:05, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:We Don't Need to Whisper/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Wizardman (talk · contribs) 01:04, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

I'll review this article shortly. Wizardman 01:04, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Here are the issues I found:

• The quote in the lead is referenced later on, but it should be cited in both places since it's a direct quote.
• "DeLonge received calls from musicians of higher profiles offering to collaborate on music, but declined them" Would we be able to get examples? Just noting this in and of itself doesn't help much.
• "DeLonge studied World War II, which he considered the "last great war clearly a battle between good and evil." direct quote needs cite
• ""Do It for Me Now" originally lied in a beat created by DeLonge for Talib Kweli that turned it down." Not really sure what this means; reword.
• I'd like to see the awards moved into the reception section and cited. If it stays in its own section then it should be cited and fleshed out a bit, since there's little there as it is.

I'll put the article on hold and will pass it when fixed. Wizardman 15:44, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Everything looks good now, so I'll pass the article as a GA. Wizardman 00:19, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

A few quick comments...

• "Equally inspired by personal crises and global events..." reads like a tabloid.
• "copies since." since when?
• "as well the genesis of the band, Start the Machine" genesis of the band? You mean their first album?
• "as the biggest pop punk act of the era" some claim, needs to be in quotes, or have more than just one journalist's opinion.
• "DeLonge rediscovered the epiphany developed during his traveling with Kerry during his isolation, and applied that to his new band's philosophy. " really? This is just pure self-aggrandisement.
• "embarked on a mission to assemble his band" not encyclopaedic.

Really, this is in just a two-minute glimpse at the article. Surprised this sort of stuff hasn't been picked up in the review. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:06, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

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