Talk:Toni Collette

Ignoring a fan - removed

The following passage appears in the article: "Collette was witnessed ignoring a handicapped fan after a performance of this show. When a friend of the wheelchair-bound man approached Miss Collette for an autograph for his friend, she glanced over at the man in the chair and turned away, ignoring him. At the time, there were a mere 5 people waiting, so she was not imposed upon. The fan had flown in specifically to see the show and attempt to meet Miss Collette."

There are no sources cited for this, and is decidedly not NPOV. I don't know if it happened or not, but such a claim should be backed up, as it gets rather close to defamation of Ms Collette's character. I'm removing it, but if someone can source it, perhaps it could be reinstated at a later date. --HillbillyProfane (talk) 20:27, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

She's allowed to ignore any fan she pleases, surely? Piano non troppo (talk) 07:29, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

I suppose so, but that's not really the point. I removed it because it's biased and unsourced. I don't know whether it happened or not, but either way, is not really relevant to the artice. This isn't meant to be a dissertation on Collette's character. If it had been reported in the media, perhaps it might be relevant. Who knows what the circumstances were? Either way, it's not sourced, so I removed it.--HillbillyProfane (talk) 09:54, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Birthplace

Currently, the fact that Toni Collette was born in Blacktown is being "claimed" on the article Blacktown, New South Wales - which is about the suburb the CBD is in. I guess that Blacktown Hospital is in the CBD, but when Toni was born did her parents live in the City of Blacktown or the much smaller, more retail-oriented, suburb with the same name?

Thanks!--Garrie 05:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Howard

Wasn't she also infamously quoted as saying that if John Howard wins the next (2004) election, she'll cut her wrists?

WikiProject class rating

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Film

Apparently shes in a new musical film starring as a secretary. She is starring alongside Natalie Gauci, Delta Goodrem and Missy Higgins. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.166.109.89 (talk) 06:42, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Is there any reason that her role in About a Boy as disorganised mother, co-starring with Hugh Grant and Nicholas Hoult, is not mentioned explicitly ? 91.125.101.119 (talk) 09:28, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

"... thrillers such as Shaft..."

I think Shaft is not a thriller. Maybe "action/drama" will be better in this case? Thanks 193.28.155.226 (talk) 16:06, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Rove

Interview of Rove, mentioned the early life section. W00T! Notable? Kausill (talk) 12:50, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Birthplace

Since when was Blacktown in Sydney's north-west? From someone born and raised in Blacktown, I can assure you it is not! It's probably the most central of the western suburbs, so that's why I've amended the text. Cattona (talk) 11:30, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Her name is not Antonia

"But Wikipedia also claims my real name is Antonia, which is absolutely not true." http://www.out.com/movies/2015/10/26/toni-collette-talks-skinny-dipping-gay-fandom --84.44.179.24 (talk) 11:10, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

It's not really Wikipedia's fault. So many so called "reliable sources" report her birth name as Antonia. Do a Google and Google Books search and you will see. I could never find a source before this where she actually confirmed whether her birth name is Antonia, so it's good that she has mentioned it. If it hasn't been removed already, then someone should remove it. On another note, her surname is actually Collett, and Collette is a stage name, and a lot of sources say her birth name is Antonia Collette. Melonkelon (talk) 04:42, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Also posting this source that confirms that Collette is a stage name. Her birth name is Collett. "Mum is Judy Collett, who worked for a courier firm, while her dad, Bob, was a truck driver. Toni added back the extra "e" in Collette, which her grandfather had removed, because she decided, at age 14, that it sounded better as a stage name." This info should probably be incorporated into the article. Melonkelon (talk) 21:31, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

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Birth date

I don't believe it is a good idea to add her full DOB, per WP:DOB. The source provided is not reliable, and I think we should err on the side of caution. As this is a WP:BLP issue, I will be removing it. - Chris.sherlock (talk) 05:16, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

I posted the following at the user's talkpage but an edit conflict prevented me placing it here.

@Chris.sherlock: In what way is it a BLP violation to provide d.o.b.? Consider WP's policy, "Wikipedia includes full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources, or by sources linked to the subject such that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object to the details being made public." The subject provided birth date (and other details) for SBS-TV's Who Do You Think You Are? (see first ref in article). The birth date is widely published by reliable sources.

Why add the Categories 20th-Century Australian women and 21st-Century Australian women? These are already covered by 20th-century Australian actresses and 21st-century Australian actresses respectively.

I have reverted both of these edits. If you wish to discus the matter reply here.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:11, 19 April 2020 (UTC)05:31, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

The response below is transcluded from his talkpage.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:31, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

That's hardly a reliable source, just because she said it on Who Do You Think You Are, she may have said it wrongly. At any rate, I feel we should not include the DOB, only the year per "err on the side of caution and simply list the year". - Chris.sherlock (talk) 05:14, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

"may have said it wrongly" Did you see the programme? In what way is that source not reliable? I disagree with your interpretation of WP:DOB and of WP:RS.

You have not explained why you readded the unnecessary Categories, which are covered by the existing ones.

You have not explained why you deleted a reference for a role in a TV series.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:31, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

@Shaidar cuebiyar: You may care to contribute to the discussion at Wikipedia:Australian_Wikipedians'_notice_board#Diffusing_vs_non-diffusing_confusion.

It's a non-diffusing category, it is being used and is intended to be allowed in the manner you seem to be objecting to. The source you refer to is definitely not a reliable source, and erring on the side of caution it has been removed. - Chris.sherlock (talk) 05:34, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

I still disputed your repeated assertion that this source is not reliable: can you provide some evidence other than your opinion? Also other reliable sources have provided the d.o.b.

At least you returned the deleted reference for the TV role.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:46, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

I did. - Chris.sherlock (talk) 06:06, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Is Encyclopædia Britannica reliable enough? see here.

Is The Sydney Morning Herald/The Sun-Herald reliable enough? see ref [2].

Is AllMovie reliable enough? see ref [19].

These and ref [1] provide the same date. They support my claim that her birth date is widely published and hence does not contravene WP:BLP.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:27, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Since you have not provided any evidence as to why refs [1], [2] and [19] are not reliable, I will return her full d.o.b. I ask that you provide such evidence of their not being reliable and discus it here before you remove the full d.o.b.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:57, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

• @Chris.sherlock: the issue of your removal of d.o.b from numerous pages is being discussed at WP:ANI. Pending its outcome I ask you not remove full d.o.b. from this article.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:47, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Resolution

@Chris.sherlock:, @Slp1: The WP:ANI referred to above determined that User:Chris.sherlock correctly removed d.o.b. information from numerous articles. User:Slp1 edited this page and confirmed that, in this case, the d.o.b. was verified by reliable sources and so could remain.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:24, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Toni Collette/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: LM150 (talk · contribs) 13:19, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I'll be reviewing this article! Great work on it so far. LM150 13:19, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Initial comments

• I'll come back to the lede later
• "She appeared on SBS TV's Who Do You Think You Are? in August 2015 for "Season 7 Episode 2: Toni Collette," to find out more about her grandparents." - do we need to put this here, as it's a minor TV appearance and has nothing to do with her early life? (I know it gives context about the next sentence but perhaps keep it subtle, eg. Collette later learned on an episode of Who Do You Think You Are? that.."
• "Muriel's Wedding (September 1994)" - is the month here necessary?
• "The film was a critical and commercial success, grossing US$57.5 million on a budget of US$9 million." - source needed
• "Less well received was her next film, 8½ Women (1999)" - odd phrasing, perhaps "Her next film, 8½ Women (1999), was not as well received."
• Shaft film: "and grossed US$107.2 million on a budget of US$46 million." - source needed
• "Whereas John Patterson of The Guardian" - swap 'Whereas' with 'However'
• Japanese Story film: "It was screened at the 2003 Cannes Film Festival." - source needed
• "Her two releases of 2004 - The Last Shot and Connie and Carla – were rated" - could we use commas instead of dashes?
• "the film received generally positive reviews from critics, and became a moderate independent success, earning a total of US$82.2 million worldwide" - source needed about positive reviews
• Friday Night film: "and was a commercial success grossing US$41 million on a US$30 million budget." - source needed
• "The series aired for fifteen episodes and, due to a combination of low ratings and a closed narrative, did not return for a second season." - source needed
• Miss You Already film: "It premiered at the Toronto International Film Festival to generally positive reviews; more widely, Metacritic rated it at 59% indicating, "mixed or average reviews." - source needed
• "crime thriller Imperium" - the wikilink is to the wrong article
• "Partly a satire about the art world, it premiered at the Sundance Film Festival to polarising reactions." - source needed or remove this
• "It premiered at the Toronto International Film Festival and was a commercial success, grossing US$300.1 million." - source needed or remove this
• "For her performance, she received nominations for a Golden Globe Award and a Primetime Emmy Award, and won the Critics' Choice Television Award for Best Supporting Actress in a Movie/Miniseries." - source needed
• The two paragraphs in "Awards and nominations" are unsourced.

Firstly, thanks for starting the review. Secondly, although not the nominator I have extensively edited the article after running the Peer Review on it. I've tackled some of the issues you've identified and will now look for sources for those that haven't been covered.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:55, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

I've got refs for most of the gross/budget figures and other refs needed above. Muriel's Wedding figures were severely cut back due to the source I found.

I think the last two dot points were referenced when her full list of Awards and nominations was incorporated in this article. I'll have a look there later.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:26, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Added those awards & noms refs in that sectn.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 18:59, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

That's fine, a few more notes/comments for you:

• Artistry section - 3rd paragraph. Who is Rilla Kingston, is she a film critic? Looking at the source, it looks like a college academic journal. I don't have a major problem with it, but just thought this analysis should come from a famous/professional critic (eg. Roger Ebert). If Kingston's student essay is the best we've got - then we can leave it.

ARAIK Kingston was an undergrad. Ebert (and other professional critics) tend to do reviews per film/TV show and rarely tackle a career overview.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 19:56, 7 December 2020 (UTC)20:03, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

• Galafassi "had a devastating motorbike accident" - don't use a quote here, just write "Galafassi had a motorbike accident" or something similar
• Lede section - 1st paragraph. The phrase "for which she" is used 4 times. Could we please reduce it? For instance, try writing "which earned her a Golden Globe Award nomination"
• Images and licences are fine
• No plagiarism detected with copyvio detector
• Sources are fine. Is it possible to replace 204, the YouTube video?
• I'm not going to let this affect the article obtaining a GA - but in future, you may want to reduce the amount of quotes by paraphrasing them, as it will help with flow and readability (eg. the second paragraph under 2012-2017 has 8 quotes which I think is unnecessary). LM150 18:52, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

I've had a go at the rest of these. Hopefully its better.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 19:56, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Great! I've made a few copyedits for clarity but I'm happy to pass this now. Thank you and MuchAdoA for bringing this to GA. LM150 21:14, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the pleasantly run GAN.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:50, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Shyamalan pic?

Why is there a photo of Shyamalan in this article? Seems inappropriate in a sense. Perhaps HJ Osment’s photo needs to be here also - if you get my point. Thoughts? THX1136 (talk) 01:54, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Shyamalan directed her in Sixth Sense (1999): that's an appropriate sense?shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:39, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

To @Shaidar cuebiyar's point, its relevance and significance is coming from The Sixth Sense being the only movie Collette is nominated for an Oscar, and Shyamalan is the director of said movie. It is similar to having the NIDA photo in the Early Life section. Rubberdoorpost (talk) 12:59, 23 August 2023 (UTC)