Talk:Tishma

Links to social media sites from Tishma

This discussion has been copied from Checkin34z's talk page at their request and will be continued here. Worldbruce (talk) 22:58, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Several times in my edit summaries I have pointed you to Wikipedia guidelines on the inclusion of external links, and in particular the section on official links. Have you read and understood that guideline?

Normally subjects of Wikipedia articles are allowed only one external link to a site of their own. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a fan site or an extension of Tishma's web presence. Tishma's Facebook and YouTube pages are prominently linked from her official home page, so including them in Wikipedia is a violation of the guideline to minimize the number of official links. Allowing a second link, to Twitter, is I think quite generous.

You have repeatedly restored links to Facebook and YouTube despite the fact that I expressed a problem with them. If you have a different understanding of the external link guideline, or believe that Tishma should be an exception to the guideline, or simply disagree with the guideline, please explain here or on the article talk page. Seek a consensus rather than continuing to restore those links unilaterally. Worldbruce (talk) 05:55, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

With respect to this edit, if you don't think the Tishma should link to Twitter, that's fine. But as explained above, the article will not be linked to her Facebook page because her official home page already links there. If you're determined to edit against consensus and link to Facebook, you'll need to get her to change her website so that it doesn't link to Facebook. Worldbruce (talk) 15:33, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

hello, i did not restore and youtube or facebook links "repeatedly" so please don't exaggerate as that is not fair. you said that we should list 2 external links not more so i only changed Twitter to Facebook as i have tried to follow the style of other local wikipedia pages when i edit and most of them list Facebook instead of Twitter. will you please use the talk page yourself also instead of sending me personal messages and attacking my edits? you don't own these pages either right! Checkin34z (talk) 20:02, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi Checkin34z, thank you for your response. Within recent memory you have restored the Facebook and/or YouTube links six times:

1. 7 Nov 2015
2. 21 Nov 2015
3. 22 November 2015
4. 14 December 2015
5. 17 December 2015
6. 18 December 2015

To say that you restored them "repeatedly" is fair and is not an exaggeration.

I did not say that the article should list two external links. I said that allowing two was quite generous, when the guidelines normally allow only one. Furthermore, I explained why in this situation the Facebook and YouTube pages specifically are not allowed according to the guidelines on official links.

Although it is natural to use other Wikipedia pages as examples, there are problems with doing so. Wikipedia is forever a work in progress. It contains high quality content and low quality content (see other stuff exists). Just because another article includes a link to Facebook does not mean that linking to Facebook is okay. It may mean that the other article, like this one, needs improvement to conform to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. It may also be that the official web page of the subject of the other article does not link to their Facebook page, in which case a link to Facebook is not prohibited by WP:ELMINOFFICIAL (although it may be prohibited by other portions of the guidelines covering external links).

You have clearly invested a lot of time in this article. I can understand that you might feel possessive about it. Wikipedia guidelines are community-agreed best practices for following Wikipedia policies. Violating those guidelines after you have been made aware of them is editing against consensus. Doing so repeatedly to preserve your preferred version of an article is not just disruptive editing, but edit warring.

I hope that the above explanation convinces you to remove the link you added to Facebook. If not, then please remove that link until this discussion is resolved. If you believe we have reached an impasse, there are mechanisms for attracting broader participation in the discussion, which may aid in reaching a consensus as to the way forward. Worldbruce (talk) 23:06, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

hello, thank you for moving the discussion here from my talk page! my cause for adding the Facebook link instead of the Twitter or other links is because it seems to be the most updated source of all the given links about the Tishma topic. The subject's Twitter and even own website are not up to date like Facebook and as a long time follower, I have always noted that other than newspapers and television, my main source for information about Tishma's latest music and works is always the Facebook page. in Bangladesh most of us are not regular users of Twitter and Facebook is the main thing for all of us. Maybe you are not from Bangladesh that's why don't know that Facebook is simply the most widely used site here! :D this is why I think it will be great to use the Faceook page as an external link instead of Twitter. please share your opinion with me and let me know what you think! Checkin34z (talk) 14:27, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

What you wrote suggests an alternative way forward. If, in your editorial judgement, her Facebook page is her defacto official website, more official than tishmaonline.com, then it may be okay to make Facebook the one official external link. The guideline says "Links that provide consistent information are strongly preferred to social networking and communication services where the content changes rapidly and may not comply with this guideline at any given moment in time." Someone else may cite that as a reason to link to tishmaonline.com instead of Facebook. I don't particularly care as long as only one of those two links is included. Wikipedia needs only one link into the Tishma-verse. People interested in moving around within her web presence can easily move back and forth between Facebook and tishmaonline.com regardless of where they start. Worldbruce (talk) 05:10, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

hello, i have followed her website and social pages ever since i started contributing to this article, it has been at least a few years now I hope, so from my experience i can say that her website only seems to be updated rarely but her Facebook page is much more updated, so i use her social networking sites to know about her latest works. her youtube page only has her music videos and her twitter is not so updated. that's why i suggest the facebook page is better then website or others for this reason and her facebook is also verified which is a plus point. what's your opinion about it? Checkin34z (talk) 13:57, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

It doesn't matter to me if the article links to Facebook instead of her official webpage. Worldbruce (talk) 20:28, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

ok, sure. Checkin34z (talk) 08:25, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

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