Talk:Tin tabernacle

Latest comment: 1 month ago by Hassocks5489 in topic St Barnabas Church, Kenilworth

St Mary's, Cadgwith

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This may have been an Anglo-Catholic rather than Roman Catholic building: "An Ecclesiastical Map of Cornwall ... 1877" by William Jago (in: Cornish Church Guide; Truro: Blackford, 1925) shows that a "mission room" existed at Cadgwith in the parish of Ruan Minor which may have been this building before it was dedicated to St Mary.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 14:58, 30 June 2011 (UTC)Reply

Preston Road Methodist Church, Coppull

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Is anyone else familiar with the Preston Road Methodist Church in Coppull? It seems like a suitable candidate for this article, but I can't find any history or images online. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:28, 27 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

Sadly the images posted here were taken on March 2016. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:20, 2 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

Coords for Alhampton, Somerset

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I am confused by the coordinates for the Mission Church at Alhampton in Somerset which, when you click on them & go to the map, shows a point between Macclesfield & Stockport which is a long way from Somerset. I think it should be: Lat (WGS84) N51:06:31 (51.108561), Long (WGS84) W2:32:13 (-2.537034), LR ST625345, but could someone check?— Rod talk 15:27, 28 September 2011 (UTC)Reply

My mistake, sorry. Corrected, I hope. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:25, 28 September 2011 (UTC)Reply
Thanks - works for me now.— Rod talk 16:31, 28 September 2011 (UTC)Reply

St David's Church, Pensarn

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Other editors may be interested to see what this church looked like, as there is currently no image in the article. I tried to add this link: Image at tintabernacles.com, thinking it might be better than nothing. But it was removed, the first time with the comment "not appropriate" and second time with the comment "This is not how this article is referenced." It is just a link, and not an image. But perhaps a footnote could be used? There are currently no images available at geograph or at Commons. The first current ref says just: ".. the dream to replace the 1880 “tin” Church would never be realised." The second ref has just this: "in 1880 St David’s church was built to meet the needs of all these English residents. It was built of tin and intended as a temporary building but was still used nearly 130 years later, though badly in need of repair." The website for the image, tintabernacles.com, gets a single link in External links. Perhaps other editors have some constructive suggestions on how to include a link to an image of this church? I also tried to add this link Image at geograph.uk,, to an image of Shaftesbury Hall, Bowes Park in London, but this too was soon deleted, with the helpful instruction "then upload it". Martinevans123 (talk) 21:46, 2 June 2012 (UTC)Reply

You forgot to mention you dumped unreferenced material into an article that so far had been pretty well cited and for which I found citations. I don't see any problem with asking you to upload an image if you feel the article needs it. Dumping external links in the middle of a table was pretty sloppy editing from an experienced user. Use a footnote if you must but do it properly.J3Mrs (talk) 08:35, 3 June 2012 (UTC)Reply
You have a very strange way of "asking" for things. And I don't really think that name calling helps. Do any other editors have constructuve suggestions? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:59, 3 June 2012 (UTC)Reply
You'll have to point out the "name calling" as I studiously avoid it.J3Mrs (talk) 10:47, 3 June 2012 (UTC)Reply
(Edit conflict) Yes, it's a good idea to follow the MoS when editing. Have a look at this which says, among other things "Wikipedia articles may include links to web pages outside Wikipedia (external links), but they should not normally be used in the body of an article". Normally such links go into a separate section at the end of the article (see this article for how it works). But this is not of course practical for lists; here you have to find or provide an image, or live without it until one can be found. This happens even in Featured Lists, like this one (do you happen to have a photo of the Pilling church?).
For free-use images, such as those on Geograph, you can download them to Commons. There is a tool for this but often I cannot get it to work, so I usually copy the image to my own hard disc, then upload it to Commons (that's relatively straightforward). Yes, collaborating with other editors on an article can be frustrating, but if they all "sing from the same hymn-sheet" (ie follow the MoS), it can greatly enhance an article. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:51, 3 June 2012 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for your helpful advice, Peter. Apparently I've been holding my hymn sheet a little too sloppily to be of any use. I do not have a photo of the church at Pilling but, thanks to your friendly advice, I'm encouraged to go and see if I can get one. I think this is it:[1] I find it's more productive to build on what other editors provide, even if it's been misplaced, than to just throw it away in order to teach them a lesson. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:58, 3 June 2012 (UTC)Reply
User:Martinevans123 really needs to assume good faith. I actually built on what he had left in the article by providing text and citations (and a church name, if I remember correctly) but how making work for others is "productive" I fail to see. I have not been "name calling" nor attempted to "teach them a lesson" unless abiding by the MoS as I would expect any experienced editor to do counts as such. J3Mrs (talk) 12:54, 3 June 2012 (UTC)Reply
May I suggest that we close this discussion. The point has been made. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:20, 3 June 2012 (UTC)Reply

In scope?...

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Are church halls within the scope of the table? I suppose they are, as we have an entry for Church Hall at Braemar Avenue Baptist Church. If so, I'd better upload my picture of the stylish dark red tin tabernacle next to Christ Church, Snodland! Also, at Chiddingstone Causeway, the village's original iron church—long since superseded by a stone-built one—was moved to the other end of the main street and turned into the village hall. It's still surviving (just), so I imagine that can be added. Thoughts? Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 22:35, 16 August 2012 (UTC)Reply

I think church halls should be removed unless used for worship, I have already removed one. The Chiddington example should definately be added. J3Mrs (talk) 09:39, 17 August 2012 (UTC)Reply
Cheers J – I'll upload that at some point and write up (likewise for the former Twitton Mission Church near Otford; and there's another one nearby that is either wooden or iron; if the latter, I'll add that.) Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 11:27, 17 August 2012 (UTC)Reply

A note on the one at Linwood...

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...which has just been added to the table. I had a quick look online for more info but found nothing about either its name or its former denomination. old-maps.co.uk show it clearly only on the 1972 1:2500 OS map, on which it has no name; the previous 1:2500 map dates from 1906, and it is not on there. I tweaked the coordinates slightly using Google Maps. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 08:53, 14 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Tatsfield

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Just a note to remind myself that the former "New Gospel Hall" at Paynesfield Road, Tatsfield, Surrey is a tin tab. It is now owned by the W.I., I think. Hope to get a photo soon; meanwhile I'm trying to find out more info about it. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 13:02, 17 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

...which reminds me that on the other side of Surrey, there appears to be another (still in use): a Brethren Gospel Hall at Chertsey Road, Chobham. Will investigate! Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 13:04, 17 May 2013 (UTC)Reply
There is a Commons image here. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:54, 7 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

St. Andrews Mission Church, The Wern, Minera

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For those editors who are interested, there are some very good images of the church at this site. As it is a blogspot, it may be deemed not suffiently reliable for an article which is "generally well-cited", although I am not sure why images from a blog site should be any less reliable than those at a WP:RS site. Background details on this church, particularly its history, seem to be in short supply, so I had assumed that any additional information was better than none. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:27, 7 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

I think it's copyright rather than reliability that is the issue in images from any recent source. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 19:31, 7 August 2013 (UTC)Reply
I'm not sure how providing a link to a set of images, at a blogsite, or anywhere else, is a breach of copyright? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:33, 7 August 2013 (UTC)Reply
Sorry. I thought you meant incorporating them into articles. Apologies. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 21:56, 7 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

Clara Vale

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I have removed edits about the Clara Vale chapel because while trying to find a reference I could only find references to a Sunday school, Institute and church hall. If there is a reliable source, not Geograph, to show it was indeed the chapel, please reinstate it with the reference as I am trying to keep this list fully referenced. Not all corrugated buildings were places of worship. J3Mrs (talk) 13:21, 4 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

One to investigate...

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The Cadoxton Christian Spiritualist Church in Kenilworth Road, Cadoxton, Vale of Glamorgan—which has evidently been around a while bit but which has only just been registered for marriages—looks like a tin tabernacle in two parts. Coordinates are 51.413351,-3.255797. I'll have a look for more info later. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 08:55, 18 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

St Saviour's at Liss Forest...

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...has gone, according to Google Street View overhead shots. Link to planning app. Should we take out, or leave in with a note to this effect? Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 13:56, 16 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

My personal preference would be to leave it in, with an appropriate note. It seems a pity to delete the item and photo, but would understand those who think differently. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 15:05, 16 January 2015 (UTC)Reply
I Agree with Peter, I would leave it in or possibly create a new section. J3Mrs (talk) 15:26, 16 January 2015 (UTC)Reply
Cool, that was my inclination as well. When I get home I will do something on this. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 17:11, 16 January 2015 (UTC) – I've used a method to identify demolished ones (colour and "(*)" marker) which I've used before on other articles; hopefully that looks all right. I can think of another Sussex one that was demolished relatively recently (probably about 10 years ago), so I'll look for references and add it if I can find any. (No pictures, though, sadly!) Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 18:37, 16 January 2015 (UTC)Reply
I like it, and I guess we can find more to add. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 18:40, 16 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

Denominations

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Should all denominations be noted (and linked)? If so, is an additional column required in all of the tables? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:42, 31 May 2015 (UTC)Reply

I think it would be a good addition to the table. We only have four columns at the moment, so there is plenty of space. I would suggest adding it between the image column and the notes column. Happy to help with this later (but have to log off now!) Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 07:52, 1 June 2015 (UTC)Reply
I admire your diligence. Where is that fully automated "table wizard" when you need it? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:19, 1 June 2015 (UTC)Reply
It would be very handy!! I've added denominations to all sections now; have left a couple of blanks where I don't have enough info. All others should be correct, hopefully. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 17:35, 1 June 2015 (UTC)Reply
I think that's a really wortwhile improvement. Well done. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:51, 1 June 2015 (UTC)Reply

Listed status

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Should all instances of Listed building status be linked or only some? Or should we link all except four, for some reason? I think the rules for tables may be different and WP:OVERLINK does not apply. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:07, 31 May 2015 (UTC)Reply

I would be inclined to link all instances. I think you're right, it is permissible in tables (I have always linked prolifically within the "Notes" column of my tables, because it helps the reader when they sort the table and they don't have to go hunting for links.) Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 08:04, 1 June 2015 (UTC)Reply
Many thanks. Another way of doing it would be to add a column to the tables, but as most examples seem to be not listed this might be inefficient. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:44, 1 June 2015 (UTC)Reply

Shaftesbury Hall, Bowes Park

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The Victorian Society seem to say say that this is located in Bounds Green, although they do not give its original denomination: [2] Harigey Green Party suggests that "it must have been built in the 1880’s" :[3] Curiously, this source says "Bounds Green board school originated in 1888 with infants' classes in the iron Shaftesbury hall in Carlton Road." And this source says: "Shaftesbury hall, Carlton Road, Bowes Park, was registered in 1885. It had attendances of 78 and 103 in 1903 and was still used by Baptists in 1937 but had been closed by 1954." Is Carlton Road now called Herbert Road? Or was the building moved? And this source says the building has been owned by North London Samaritans since 1974. Although they themselves say "Acquired ... in the late 1970s."

I think this source is clear that it was built in 1885 by the Baptists. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:01, 1 June 2015 (UTC)Reply

Globalise

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We should try to get more non-British discussion and examples. There are plenty in Iceland, see commons:Category:Corrugated iron churches in Iceland. I suspect there are numerous former missionary churches in Africa and elsewhere. Verbcatcher (talk) 00:58, 31 August 2016 (UTC)Reply

North Finchley: has this one gone?

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Can anybody in North London go and have a look? Finchley Christian Spiritualist Church (a.k.a. St John's Christian Spiritualist Church) was originally a tin tabernacle, but I think a new building may have been erected circa 2008–2009. Google Streetview only goes up to July 2008, when it was fenced off, and a new building on the same site appears to have been registered in 2009. Here's a Commons pic from 2006. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 21:16, 1 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

You mean at 51°36′39″N 0°10′43″W / 51.6109°N 0.1786°W / 51.6109; -0.1786? Bing Streetside shows a new building there. Verbcatcher (talk) 16:11, 12 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
That's the one. Thanks for confirming. (Hadn't used Bing Streetside before!) Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 16:26, 12 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

Found some more

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St James's Church, St Andrews

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  • I (a different person) have added the rather famous Tin Tabernacle from St Andrews, but have shied away from using the fantastic photograph of the building being towed across town, or the Canmore interior / exterior shots pre-demolition, but perhaps someone more familiar with Canmore's and Wikipedia's copyright policies might want to use a photo. AUgust 2018.

and another

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Is there any chance someone with better skills than mine might be able to add St Stephen Langley Vale (also known as St Stephen-on-the-Downs, Epsom Downs that is)? I have been able to find only a single on-line source for it - https://eehe.org.uk/?p=60778 - from the Epsom and Ewell History Explorer page, with a rather poor photo. But I am confident that it was a (now demolished) tin church. Thomas Peardew (talk) 10:28, 26 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

Thanks Thomas Peardew for finding this. I've found another source as well, and will add it to the list as a "demolished" one. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 15:21, 26 June 2022 (UTC)   DoneReply
No, I'm grateful to you, so no thanks needed. I and my siblings were (apparently) baptised in this church: the family were living at the time at Tattenham Corner.Thomas Peardew (talk) 21:45, 26 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

None in the US?

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These were never built in the US at all? I'm kind of surprised. I know wood was a lot easier to get in the US than in Europe, but we also had an era where we went crazy for prefab structures. You could buy a complete house from a Sears catalog, and I imagine a church, so I'm surprised there wasn't a metal one available as well. AnnaGoFast (talk) 06:51, 11 December 2017 (UTC)Reply

I find in the US that wood slats much more common. There are many, many buildings with similar structures to our tin churches, but wooden panels tend to be more reliable in this country with regular extreme winds and very large differences in temperature during the winter and summer. MrHistorianDude (talk) 23:46, 5 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

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Preston

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  Done There is, or was, a "Forward in Faith Ministries International" at 123, St Georges Road in Preston, Lancashire. I have no idea what church this was. If it even is a church. Or if it is still open. But it is still there on GoogleMaps, if you care to look. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.170.155.155 (talk) 23:27, 18 October 2019 (UTC)Reply

Thanks; I'll do some investigation today with the help of Google StreetView. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 10:21, 19 October 2019 (UTC)Reply
I had a look; it's a prefabricated building of the postwar prefab house style, but not made of iron/tin. A very interesting survivor, though! Location is 53.769281, -2.698263. Forward in Faith Ministries appears to be a Pentecostal group. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 10:30, 19 October 2019 (UTC) →→ (Note to self: could it have been St Aidan's Church (WR 60556), registered 1943–1988 for the Evangelical Church of England? The address ("Elcho Street/St George's Road") corresponds; it looks like a WWII prefab; and the site like it may have been bombed... Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 23:01, 2 January 2023 (UTC))Reply

The Italian Chapel?

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I was wondering, would the Italian Chapel in the Orkney Islands count as a 'tin tabernacle'? It does have a main body made of metal.MrHistorianDude (talk) 19:14, 10 May 2019 (UTC)Reply

I'm inclined to say no, as it was built from converted Nissen huts rather than being prefabricated as a church. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 12:22, 13 May 2019 (UTC)Reply

missing tin tabernacle

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  Done There is a tin church in Woodland, County Durham that is not listed it's at DL135RQ 90.255.233.88 (talk) 21:07, 9 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thank you; now added (with pic). Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 21:38, 11 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hallmuir Ukrainian Chapel

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The Hallmuir Ukrainian Chapel in 2012

Is Hallmuir Ukrainian Chapel a tin tabernacle? Thanks. 86.187.235.44 (talk) 19:22, 5 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Desription says this:
"1942. Single storey, pitched roof, prefabricated hut forming Ukrainian Prisoner of War chapel. Painted corrugated asbestos on timber frame and concrete base. Timber door to N with flanking windows; former electricity pylon above; 2 windows each to E and W elevations. 4- and 6-pane timber windows. Corrugated asbestos roof."
86.187.227.254 (talk) 08:52, 8 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
Yes, this would count. I'll add it. Thanks! Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 16:45, 11 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

St Barnabas Church, Kenilworth

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St Barnabas in Kenilworth is a tin tabernacle that’s still in use, see the following link[4] Overlordnat1 (talk) 09:27, 1 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thanks; I'll add this. I took some photos in August, so I'll upload those as well. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 09:58, 1 October 2024 (UTC)   DoneReply