Talk:TVX Broadcast Group

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I have changed the title of this entry from "TVX Broadcasting" to "TVX Broadcast Group", which was the company's official name. Rollosmokes 04:01, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Currently, the legal successor to the TVX Broadcast Group is the CBS Televison Stations Group. Shouldn't we expand this article and move it to CBS Television Stations Group? CoolKatt number 99999 03:38, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

IMO, in a word: NO. Rollosmokes 03:47, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Then how about a seperate CBSTSG article, featuring PSG/Viacom Television Stations Group History as well? CoolKatt number 99999 04:23, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

User:CoolKatt number 99999/Sandbox 7: Well, what do you think? Should I copy this to the main TVX Broadcast Group article and move it to CBS Television Stations Group? Vote here. CoolKatt number 99999 05:16, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

A major change in this article

I have removed WEMT, WSYT, and WDKY-TV from the text and the chart. Here are my reasons for doing so:

During 1987-89, when TVX was selling off stations to satisfy its debt, the FCC limit on stations per group owner was twelve. Sans these three stations, and prior to both the TVX sale and the restructuring into Great American Broadcasting, Taft's television group was as follows:

• WTAF-TV Philadelphia
• WDCA-TV Washington
• WCIX Miami
• KTXA Fort Worth/Dallas
• KTXH Houston
• WKRC-TV Cincinnati
• WTVN-TV Columbus, Ohio
• WDAF-TV Kansas City, Missouri
• WGHP High Point/Greensboro/Winston-Salem
• WTSP St. Petersburg/Tampa
• KTSP-TV Phoenix
• WBRC-TV Birmingham

That's twelve stations right there. There is no way Taft could have owned fifteen stations in 1987. The FCC wouldn't raise the limit on TV station ownership again -- to 14 per group -- for a few years. Also, I have seen NO EVIDENCE -- in either back issues of Broadcasting magazine (which was considered to be the industry's magazine of record) or anyplace else stating that the Taft Television and Radio Co. owned these three small stations. TVX may have before the Taft sale, but not after.

Similar changes should be made within the Taft Broadcasting article. Rollosmokes 05:52, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Proposed merger

I suggest that Paramount Stations Group be merged into this article, which should be moved to CBS Television Stations Group and include more info on PSG and the Viacom Television Stations Group eras, in addtion to CBSTSG info. CoolKatt number 99999 02:13, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

See this page for a preview of what I envision: User:CoolKatt number 99999/Sandbox 7. CoolKatt number 99999 02:14, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

• Strongly oppose! Another one of this user's proposed needless mergers! Kramden4700 14:57, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: Basically, TVX, PSG, VTSG, and CBSTSG are the same company with different names. CoolKatt number 99999 04:04, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
    • They all are DIFFERENT COMPANIES, with DIFFERENT NAMES, and DIFFERENT OWNERSHIPS. The stations may be the same for the most part, but that's all they have in common. No merge. Rollosmokes 08:05, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Vaticidalprophet (talk · contribs) 04:04, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Should start on this one hopefully tomorrow local time, but might be a bit later. I don't see any obvious issues, though will have at least a couple comments and haven't yet checked sources. Vaticidalprophet 04:04, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Lead and early years

• The group soon became Television Corporation Stations—though abbreviated TVX -- some context possible on how this was abbreviated in an unintuitive way?
  • Beats me. There is no material to go on.
• To clarify -- were FCC decisions generally unanimous, i.e. how remarkable was this dissent? Is needing to argue and win a case "something fairly common" or "something very rare"? Is winning it when you've argued it common or rare? There's some context missing here.
  • I mean, they had to convince the commission it was in the public interest. Back then, a commissioner dissent wasn't all that rare.
• The first paragraph of "early years" is a bit disproportionate in length, because it covers two separate things (the station application/construction and the people who set it up). It could naturally be split at The investors secured the services of John A. Trinder...
  • Done
• Using the term-of-art "general entertainment" to describe WTVZ's broadcasting mix doesn't quite get it across to the general reader, who is more inclined to conflate "general" and "generic" and come away with roughly the opposite perspective to the actual alternative-options they tried to offer. It might be useful to do more show-don't-tell here -- the sources give particular examples (e.g. imported British shows that hadn't previously aired in the market).
  • Tried to punch this up.
• Noticed while reading through McStations for "Southern expansion": the broad story of how the company was founded and built, not just the raw process of applying for a station, is fairly under-covered here. Loving isn't even namedropped until pretty far into the article (and not this section). Partially this and the lack of clarity on the dissent are side effects of covering two different things in one paragraph -- it's simultaneously right now an overlong paragraph and one that isn't particularly in-depth on either of its subjects. You have, for instance, a run-on-half-sentence with McDonald required six months of coaxing to be lured away from Washington and only agreed because he was made president and general manager and the investors were willing to expand beyond one station, which blends in with the text around it without really getting across the spirit of the whole affair.
  • Split.
• It took seven months for WTVZ to turn a profit -- could set off as "only" seven months? (I recognize "how long is normal" is a hopelessly how-long-is-a-piece-of-string question, but without context on a more "average range" it takes reaching the end of the sentence to realize this is being called an unusually short timeframe.)
  • Did "just" seven months.

Southern expansion

• TVX continued to add a station a year by building is a little obscured (I'd write "one new station a year, building").
• wanted to sell in Sunbelt cities Sun Belt is usually rendered with the space, right? It's also probably worth linking.
• One thing McStations emphasizes is that McDonald's/TVX's vision was a lot more stripped-down/unglamorous than a lot of people elsewhere thought the broadcasting business "should be", which seems worth noting.
• There were also two additional attempts at expansion that were unsuccessful. "Two attempts at expansion were unsuccessful" -- the rest of this is additional words without clarifying meaning.
• We don't give any dates at all in the last paragraph, which makes it difficult to contextualize within the timeframe of other purchases.
• Both sentences about the failed purchases start with "It...", while the first one should probably start with "TVX...".
• wound up settling with three other applicants for the channel -- clarify? This is a little jargony.
• Worth clarifying for the general reader why they wanted to qualify as a minority licensee under FCC distress sale rules, as the source does. (Because this is an article about a defunct broadcasting company, I'm not as concerned with defining terms or similar general-accessibility as I would be for an article on an active station where readers are pretty likely to be familiar with only their local stations -- people sitting down to read 2000 words about a defunct broadcasting company probably know something about the topic. People encounter articles for all sorts of reasons, though, and this one is prominently linked in a lot of articles about active stations; the fact you go through DYK also means your articles are guaranteed to have a burst of readers who may not be familiar with all concepts.)

Taft purchase

• even before Black Monday -- can we do "the Black Monday crash"?
• TVX also sold one other station under very different circumstances can be restructured to flow more naturally as "TVX sold another station under..." or similar.

Postscript: Tim McDonald would have a fascinating article, wouldn't he? Vaticidalprophet 21:30, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Definitely. @Vaticidalprophet First round of changes mostly done. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 00:55, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Lightburst talk 23:24, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that each station in the TVX Broadcast Group had exactly 37 employees? Source: https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Channels-of-Communication/Channels-1986-09.pdf#page=30
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/J. Harper Smith Mansion

Improved to Good Article status by Sammi Brie (talk). Self-nominated at 00:35, 24 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/TVX Broadcast Group; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• Will start the review shortly. Ktin (talk) 00:33, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article meets eligibility criteria. Recently promoted to GA. No issues with tone etc. Copyvio throws no issues. QPQ done. Hook is interesting. Hook is cited. Nice article. Ktin (talk) 00:51, 4 December 2023 (UTC)