Talk:Stay with You (Goo Goo Dolls song)

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Requested move 23 April 2019

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move; after extended time for discussion, the community appears to be moving in the opposite direction from the proposal. bd2412 T 04:02, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

• Stay with You (Goo Goo Dolls song) → Stay with You
• Stay with You → Stay with You (disambiguation)

– Other song was deleted. Unreal7 (talk) 16:16, 23 April 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. DannyS712 (talk) 23:04, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support Assuming that this is the only notable song this makes sense, note that I have added 2 other entries to the DAB and changed this to a multi-move. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:25, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

  @In ictu oculi: the Lemon Jelly song has now been restored, given the comments about the notability of both I no longer support this and we should wait and see what views they both get or if they get merged/deleted. In fact that probably makes all of the support !votes now moot. Crouch, Swale (talk) 06:47, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support. Looks like an easy decision. Nohomersryan (talk) 00:39, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose, when/what was deleted? Oh I see Stay with You (Lemon Jelly song) which charted 31 in the UK, higher than Goo Goo dolls at 39, was deleted. More of an issue: GBooks search "song Stay with you" refers to the John Legend song. The Goo Goo Dolls song charted 51, not exactly super notable. This is a generic song title with no notable song. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:06, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

@Nohomersryan:, @Crouch, Swale: is it worth it for a 51-charting song from 4 songs? In ictu oculi (talk) 15:34, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

@In ictu oculi: if you think the Lemon Jelly song is notable why don't you make a request at WP:REFUND since it was deleted via PROD you can. If you can establish notability of it then I'll probably withdraw my support however if none of the others are notable then WP:SONGDAB would apply. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:40, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Or perhaps just prod the Goo Goo Dolls song. It seems no more notable than a song which charted lower in the UK than the LJ song. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:50, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose no clear winner so keep as dab. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:36, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
• Support per WP:SONGDAB, only song article with this title, in fact it's the only article of any kind with this title. Any form of disambiguation is wholly unnecessary. PC78 (talk) 16:04, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. Not sure if Stay with You (Goo Goo Dolls song) should actually have an article, to be honest. The article has no citations other than to chart listings, and I wasn't able to find significant coverage of it online. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:29, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
  • I don't understand any of these arguments against this move. Of the one article we have with this title, this is by default the primary topic. Concerns about notability are for AfD, not here. PC78 (talk) 19:10, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
• Support Disambiguation is not needed when it is not disambiguating. If there is a debate over notability for this page or others that is a separate conversation--Yaksar (let's chat) 18:18, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

  What I'm saying is that the relative importance of various topics should not change on a whim, simply because one page happened to be nominated for deletion before another. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:28, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose per In ictu oculi, The Rambling Man and King of Hearts. With six songs listed at the Stay with You dab page, the Goo Goo Dolls song is insufficiently notable to force the parenthetical qualifier "(disambiguation)" onto the dab page's main header. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 22:29, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
• Support per PC78. I don't even see a policy-based argument on the Oppose side. We're talking about the only use of this title on WP. The only reason there is a dab page is because there are other uses, but they're not sufficiently notable to have separate articles. --В²C ☎ 17:20, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

  I'll prod this song as it's less notable than the Lemon Jelly one which has been converted to a redirect. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:42, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose, to obviate the required cleanup work when/if another of the songs listed at Stay with You gets created. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:14, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
• Comment LJ song restored, this discussion is now somewhat moot. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:23, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
•  Note: I have  Relisted this RM, in light of the fact that the LJ song was restored. --DannyS712 (talk) 23:05, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. Not the primary topic as mentioned above by others. Neodop (talk) 12:24, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per others. Two songs with articles, which have similar numbers of page views; on three days in the last month, the Lemon Jelly song got more views than the Goo Goo Dolls song. No WP:PTOPIC.

I do query whether either song passes WP:NSONG. Narky Blert (talk) 13:27, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

• I've struck my "support" above, now the other article has been restored that argument no longer applies and neither one of these songs appears to be more significant than the other. If people have notability concerns they should deal with it at AfD rather than trying to have that discussion here. PC78 (talk) 00:11, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

  Yes I think (as I pointed out above) that given that the arguments no longer apply it would be better to close this as no consensus to move at this time and then once we have determined the notability of both (and any others) and we have view counts we can determine but I think at least we need to let the dust settle. Indeed if the Goo Goo Dolls song is deemed NN but the Lemon Jelly song is deemed notable we might have this debate in the other direction. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:55, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.