Talk:St John's, Ashfield

Verifiability

I've tagged this article as needing some references or sources to confirm the facts mentioned within it, the article itself could probably be expanded with referenced information too. Without references the article could be deleted following a deletion nomination. Someone with an interest in the church, or the Ashfield area shouldn't have too much trouble providing this, I'd imagine that there would be some coverage of the church in books on Ashfield's history (though the State Library catalogue doesn't show any works on the Church itself). --Mako 14:42, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Mako, I'll see what references I can find. 99of9 05:06, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Some interesting tidbits

Here are some citations that may be useful for the article, but haven't found a good place yet:

• Description of a church fair fundraising for building works in 1899 [1]
• 90th anniversary celebrations, including quote about the place of the church in national life in the dark days of the Depression. [2]
• A summary of an example of W C C B Cave's teaching in 1866. [3]
• A summary of an example of H S Cocks' teaching in 1938 [4]
• Debate in 1865 about how to pay the clergy (e.g. should it be straight cash, or by way of parsonage). [5]
• Full choral service for jubilee celebration in 1896. [6]
• Parish nominator in 1896 "Professor David" [7], likely to be Sir Edgeworth-David [8]? Yes: [9]

• William and Margaret McIntyre (Sir Edgeworth-David's daughter) married at St John's [10]

• Vandalism in the cemetery. [11]
• Booming Christmas congregation in the time of Yarnold [12].
• Yarnold memorial baptistery [13].
• Infanticide - body in the grounds [14]
• Rape on the grounds [15].
• First NSW casualty in the Boer War was from St John's [16].
• Early donor, Dr Bowman had been convicted of adultery 11 years before [17] [18]
• Michael George Dyer organist and choirmaster (finishing 1959?) [19].
• Photograph of F Shaw [20] (already cited)
• Churchwarden Ernest C. V. Broughton [21] seemed like a fairly prominent real estate agent [22]
• Parish nominator Dr R. T. Jones [23] had received the first recorded Bachelor of Medicine from the University of Sydney [24].
• The Ashfield Church of England School Act of 1886: "Ashfield Church of England School Act of 1886" (PDF). New South Wales Government. 1886.
• Plants often stolen [25]

Cemetery

• Enoch Banks [26], butcher.
• William and John Croker. Market gardeners in Five Dock. John was a warden at St Johns, William at St Albans. John involved in Drummoyne Council affairs. William's son William is established Croker windows at St Albans. This mentions a William, but possibly William's son William.
• Galloway/Wells pink granite plinth - granite from Aberdeen Scotland.
• Halloran. Milled iron fencing. White marble stone topped with celtic cross, covered with ivy leaves and passion flowers. Made by Blackwell.
• Find-a-grave @ St John's:

• William Tippett died of intemperance [27]

Notable people tangentially connected

• Caroline and Humbert Pugliese married at St John's [28]
• Sir George Mason Allard married at St John's [29]
• Maurice Keatinge married at St John's [30]
• Stanley Rowley played junior rugby for St John's [31].
• William Keverall McIntyre and Margaret Edgeworth David married at St John's in 1909. [32]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:St John's Ashfield/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Pyrotec (talk) 10:39, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I will review. Pyrotec (talk) 10:39, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Initial comments

I've now completed a quick read through of this article. It appears to be comprehensive, well-referenced and well-illustrated, so "quick-failing" the nomination is ruled out.

I strongly suspect that this article will gain GA-status this time round, but first I need to complete my review. At this stage in the process, I'll be going through it section by section but leaving the WP:Lead until last. I will mostly be highlighting "problems", if any, so if I don't find much in the way of "problem" this part of the review could be quite short.

I expect that this will take me another day or so to complete. Pyrotec (talk) 17:33, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for volunteering to review it. I will have an internet connection for the next 36 hours, but if there are queries or fixes required after that, I will only be able to respond to them after about a week. --99of9 (talk) 01:06, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Noted. I will try and complete the review within that time scale. Pyrotec (talk) 14:14, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

• History -

• Y Pyrotec (talk) 14:15, 7 January 2011 (UTC) - The (referenced) comment: "The church was subsequently referred to as the "Mother Church of Western Suburbs"" is rather vague. I assume from the position of the statement that it happened some time between 1840 and 1910: this should be clarified.

• You're right. I've moved this sentence to a less vague context later in the history section. It wasn't necessarily a widely used term, but since it appeared as the title of a newspaper feature, I figured it was worth a mention.--99of9 (talk) 01:06, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

• Ref 9 (Ruth Smith and Ron White (1980). A Sketchbook of St. John's Ashfield.) appears to be a book and is used multiple times (a to l). There are two minor problems: firstly inconsistent use of author names - the first seven references (where appropriate) use "surname, first name(s)" whereas this one uses "first name(s) surname"; and secondly no page number(s) is/are given. If all the citations relate to a small number of pages (such 10-11, 14-15) then I have no problems with a single citation; however if many different pages are being called up then I suggest that you call the reference several times (if you need clarification see citations 94, 95, 96, 97 & 98 or just ask).

•  Done --99of9 (talk) 01:24, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

• Ref 15, 26, 37 (and possibly other) are also inconsistently author-named as "first name(s) surname".

•  Done I think I got them all. --99of9 (talk) 01:36, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

• Land and buildings & Ministry -

• These two sections appeared to be OK.

• WP:Lead -

Looks OK.

At this point I'm putting the review On Hold. There are just a few minor problems with formating of citations. Once these have been resolved, I'll award the article GA-status.

Thanks for reviewing. This is my first ever GA, so it's very significant for me. --99of9 (talk) 01:36, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Overall summary

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   Well referenced.

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   Well referenced.

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   Well illustrated.

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

   Well illustrated.

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

I'm awarding this article GA-status. Congratulations in getting the article up to this standard. Pyrotec (talk) 16:10, 10 January 2011 (UTC)