Talk:Sigi Schmid

Recent work on this article

Many congrats on the recent work expanding this article. It looks really excellent. --JonBroxton (talk) 23:23, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. George was thinking about DYK (a whole lot of expansion) and we definitely need to get it up to FA in the future to reach Featured Topic. If you are keeping an eye out, would you mind tinkering with any grammar issues if you see them? I also am still not sure how to address the national team stuff (keep it all together or spread it chronologically).

Also (maybe I shouldn't admit this), I am not a huge fan of the guy. He gave me the worst look ever from the field when I yelled at him to stop playing the guys like wimps :) . Regardless, he has received so much positive press that I would love to see a little more discussing tactics that may not necessarily be awesome. I find the article skewing into a resume so please feel free to add criticism in the appropriate places.Cptnono (talk) 07:41, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Follow-up: The article also needs a few more lines in the LA section and an honors section.Cptnono (talk) 11:17, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

One thought on the tactics - I think he's written a book or two (as well as made a DVD or two) about soccer tactics. If notable people made reviews on his books or DVDs that might be worth mentioning (in addition to mentioning the books/DVDs themselves). But I definitely agree that we should focus on the quality rather than trying to bloat the article for DYK. ← George ^talk 01:04, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

That might be a good Google Books search (unless someone has a copy). From what I have seen in the news write ups, he has a history of good defensive tactics and an outstanding eye for young talent. Something like that might be good to add to the lead. I think it currently comes across in the general body but someone skimming the lead might like to see it. Cptnono (talk) 12:25, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Here are three of his books: Sigi Schmid's Offensive Soccer Tactics (also avialable on DVD), Sigi Schmid's Defensive Soccer Tactics (DVD), and Complete Conditioning for Soccer. I don't own any of these though. --SkotyWA^T|_C 21:28, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Dates

Are we going American (month DD, YYYY) or ISO (YYYY-MM-DD) for dates? I don't have a preference either way and accidently did both.Cptnono (talk) 09:12, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

No preference here, as long as we're consistent. Maybe go with whichever is currently used most, or whichever the Sounders FC article uses (since it's largely the same editors who will be working on this article for now). ← George ^talk 01:04, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

I've been cleaning up the refs in this article for the past few days and just now noticed these comments. Sorry if it looked like I was ignoring this. I've alread switched all of the dates in the refs to be (month DD, YYYY) which is what was used in the Sounders FC article. --SkotyWA^T|_C 19:28, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Okay, here are my suggestions:

• The picture needs alt text.
• "After graduating college" --> "After graduating from college"
• "establishing himself as one of the most successful collegiate coaches of all time." Neutrality isn't a problem here, but this sort of statement needs to be quite specific. I.e. that he had one of the best collegiate W-L records of all time (or similar, I'm not very good with American sports terminology).
• "The Galaxy's ownership cited the team's lack of an "entertaining style of play" as the reason behind the move." Inline citation needed for this sentence.
• The US U-20 national team section should probably go, because it harms the chronology. The information can be merged into the UCLA and LA Galaxy sections.
• "After the 2005 MLS season, he..." --> "After the 2005 MLS season, Schmid..." (makes for better prose at the start of a new section).
• The weighting looks good, but in future make sure that the LA Galaxy, Columbus Crew and Sounders FC sections stay in proportion.

• Follow-up (for anyone watching): "Successful" is from the source and seems like a good summary (overall record, trophies, awards). However, it is one of those things that will jump out as a red flag. We could simply axe the line. Any ideas on adjusting this?
• The LA section is longer than the UCLA section. Noteworthiness of time there is my only excuse. WP:RECENTISM (or at least its principles) unfortunately applied to a certain extent. It was much easier to find sources for LA. Any thoughts? I feel that the Crew and Sounder's sections are OK size wise. The leaving from Columbus takes u p more space than I wanted. Thoughts?
• The two stints with the kids now have there own sections. These seem a little choppy but there isn't much info or text required weight wise. (Ideas appreciated)
• I usd "port;y" in the alt text (better than potbellied as one writer put it). Is that OK?

Cptnono (talk) 03:22, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Hope those help! WFCforLife (talk) 17:32, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Great work, Cptnono! The article is coming along really nicely. I've updated the quality rating to C-class, though it's quickly approaching B class. One thing I've been looking for (unsuccessfully) is more and better images for the article. There really aren't many good, free images of Schmid himself (on Commons or Flickr). This site has some good ones, but I'm pretty sure they're copyrighted (by virtue of not releasing copyright). Does anyone have any ideas for images we could use in this article, besides images of Sigi himself? ← George ^talk 03:34, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

I've had a hard time in images as well. I was thinking Template:Quote box.Cptnono (talk) 03:38, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

I found this picture which has a suitable copyright for adding to Wikipedia. I shows Sigi with the rest of his coaching staff. --SkotyWA^T|_C 07:09, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

It might be too big for the text in the Sounders section until a few more lines are added. I like the picture used in the infobox better but it is w/ Crew gear which is out of date for him. Image in commons now. File:Sounders coaching staff.jpg Cptnono (talk) 03:24, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Sigi Schmid/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: BigDom 10:24, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

   Just the couple of very minor points below.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   A good amount of biographical info alongside the football.

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   Just the one image, no caption but it is in an infobox so that's OK.

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   Couple of comments below, but nothing serious enough to stop this being listed

Comments

• In the lead, "sixteen" should be "16"
• I've never heard of "overtime" in association football, it's usually called extra time
• Being from Britain, I have no idea what "a 9–12–9 record" means. Is it in the order win-draw-loss or win-loss-draw?
• "maintain a residence" is a bit wordy, why not say that they "live" there?
• In the stats table, why are there months for LA Galaxy but not the other teams?

Thank you for the review BigDom. A couple things:

• 16 fixed
• Overtime and extra time have a merge discussion going on so I'll wait for that to finish up. Overtime is the varient used over here and is used in each source but I could see adjusting it. I'm on the fence with this one.

• Can just leave this one until the discussion has finished. BigDom 07:39, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

• The #-#-# confused me while researching the article since I am used to seeing it both ways. I did "322 wins, 63 losses, and 33 draws" in the lead and did not spell it out after. It obviously needs adjustment if it wasn't clear. Should every instance of records (there are a handful) be clarified? I could also just do the first instance down in the in the main body to clarify but not be repetitive?

• It's just not a format that is used over here, so to make it clear I think that a short explanation the first time it's used would be best, e.g. "322–63–33 (wins–losses–draws)" or similar. BigDom 07:39, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

• I removed the house in CA line altogether. I am not sure if he has moved up to WA for good or not. It also looks like that line is not in the source (official bio) anymore so he might have sold it. Not sure and really not that important.

• Fair enough. BigDom 07:39, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

• Months are in the table for the Galaxy since he came in and was dismissed mid season. Does that make sense or should it be adjusted? Cptnono (talk) 06:34, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

• OK, I get it now. I've just made a couple of changes to the table as well. BigDom 07:39, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

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