Talk:Second impeachment and removal of Martín Vizcarra

Move to draft

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I've moved this to draft so that it can be worked on to restore the sources. In mainspace it appears to be a serious BLP problem with no sourcing at all. Also, from the edit history this appears to be an autotranslation? If so, it needs someone to check the translation is accurate before restoring to mainspace. Espresso Addict (talk) 02:10, 11 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

Merger of two articles

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I am requesting that this article be merged with the article explaining the first impeachment process against Vizcarra. J4lambert (talk) 22:00, 12 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

Yes, this needs to be done. This article entirely fails to tell the reader why Vizcarra was impeached, beyond making unexplained assertions about 'knowing the singer Richard Swing'. If there is a logical reason why there needs to be a second article on a continuing process - impeachment - it is anything but obvious. Keep it all together, so we can actually understand what happened... 109.159.88.9 (talk) 23:49, 12 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
Agreed. DoctorSpeed ✉️

Requested move 13 November 2020

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Removal of Martín VizcarraImpeachment of Martín VizcarraImpeachment has been the proper term in such cases, per article's lead itself and similar instances (Impeachment of Bill Clinton, Impeachment of Dilma Rousseff, etc). Brandmeistertalk 15:21, 13 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

*Oppose he was technically removed, impeached is a slang term, i disagree with this RPM Gameshowandsportsfan2007 (talk) 15:15, 14 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

  • Comment @Gameshowandsportsfan2007: He was convicted/removed, but the scope of the article is encompassing the entire process that led up to the removal (the initiating impeachment proceedings vote, inquiry, investigations, context) so impeachment is the more general term. Dilma Rousseff and Park Geun-hye were both removed from office, but the article names reflect the entire proceedings. DoctorSpeed ✉️
I would oppose retention of the form "Removal of..." simply because such main title headers appear to be extremely rare in relation to removal from office (Removal of Ratu Mara, 2000). There are, however, a number of headers using the form "Impeachment of..." which is understood to mean both "Impeachment and removal of..." as well as "Impeachment and non-removal of..." in the same manner that headers "Shooting of..." are understood to mean "Fatal shooting of..." as well as "Non-fatal shooting of..." The majority of, but not all, impeachments result in removal in the same manner that a large majority of, but not all, shootings result in death. Any revision of these arrangements should be made on the basis of a mass nomination, rather than of single non-conforming proposal. —Roman Spinner (talkcontribs) 17:56, 15 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

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