Talk:Right Round

Featured

Who is Kesha (uncredited, presumably the female voice who sings the second part of the refrain)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.186.178.202 (talk) 02:31, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

This song definately features Katy Perry, who is Kesha??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.0.95.132 (talk) 00:42, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Whomever it is, there is no "featured" credit on this single, it is shown (and is charting) as a Flo Rida (solo) track. - eo (talk) 10:50, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

It is NOT Katy Perry. It's "featuring Kesha." Someone963852 (talk) 14:27, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Kesha

Hello I know it doesn't say that but she is on the song on the cd cover. I know it isn't credible just because she says so on her space page which she does. There is an interview on by a radio station. Interview She confirms it on air and how Flo Rida asked her to come on the song, and how he has included her on another song on his album called 'Touch Me'. This website is alright Flo Rida Breaks Sales Record with 'Right Round' I'm sure there a lot more out there too if searched out. Maybe it's just worth adding some where that the singer is featured in the chorus. Raintheone (talk) 17:48, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Understood.... I reverted because I've had to remove her name from several places today where it just did not belong. Rap/sung collaborations are a given these days but all artists aren't given "featured" status automatically, ya know? Putting her name within the text of the article (if we can get a source that'd be great) - perhaps as a "collaborator" or the singer of the hook - that's cool.... but I don't think her name should be in the infobox as "featured" and I also removed her from the "Hot 100 number-ones" 2009 list and in some succession boxes. All worldwide record charts I've seen list Flo Rida's name only so I think that's how we should keep it here also. - eo (talk) 18:05, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay thats fine. If there are any bigger links I can cite the claim of her being on the song we can put it in the article it's self and leave it out the info boxes.Raintheone (talk) 18:25, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, sounds good. As has been discussed on other Talk Pages for songs whose artists are disputed, whomever is credited on a song as "featured" is not just made up at the whim of, say, Billboard magazine — it all has to do with the artist management, record labels, etc. and then single artwork and music charts reflect their decisions. Kinda like how "Crack a Bottle" is equally billed by the three artists instead of having one or two of them "featured". More needs to be cited about Kesha's participation in this, I think. - eo (talk) 18:36, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

While most of us are in agreement that the female vocals are in fact Kesha, we still need a reference for it... In an attempt to nip the edit-warring in the bud, I have added her name again, but placed a {{fact}} tag next to it... Ericorbit, I don't mean to tharwt your attempts at verifiability, and feel free to change the wording ("featuring Kesha", "with Kesha singing the female vocals", etc.) to your liking... but I believe there are enough of us keeping an eye out for a reliable source that it should not be long before one is provided... I would rather it be a questioned statement (soon to be cited) than to have the page's history filled with her name constantly being added and removed... - Adolphus79 (talk) 22:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

You aren't thwarting anything; what you've done is fine with me. - eo (talk) 10:46, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Reliable source for Kesha being on this song. Note, it does not say featured however. SunCreator (talk) 03:23, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

There are many more references to support an uncredited cameo. Not to mention, they are articles and not just general listings. –Chase (talk) 01:22, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Referenced, finally! Per the billboard article, "RCA has signed 21-year-old singer Kesha, the Nashville native featured in Flo Rida's current single, "Right Round." "... - Adolphus79 (talk) 22:00, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

The single itself, however, does not have a featured credit for Kesha, so it should not be listed as such in the infobox. It should be how officially credited. --Wolfer68 (talk) 17:41, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Agree with Wolfer here - good to see that Kesha's participation is sourced, but no chart lists I've seen display her name, so obviously the label and management are keeping this as a solo Flo Rida track until further notice. - eo (talk) 12:13, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Then lets wait for the back side of the cover to be shown —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.109.10.28 (talk) 13:27, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Again, see discussion above. Artist credits are negotiated by management and labels. This is why it is widely charting as "Flo Rida" (solo). - eo (talk) 14:20, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Not strictly true as the ARIA charts list as Kesha. They are really trusted within the industy. Look here. .. Raintheone (talk) 18:57, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

← OK well we've got no Kesha on the cover art, and no Kesha in Billboard for the U.S. [1] and Canada [2]. Turkey also shows Flo Rida only [3]. However as shown above ARIA charts do have Kesha [4], as does the Irish singles chart [5] and New Zealand [6]. Finland shows her name, although spelled wrong [7]. No action yet in the UK, although my guess would be that since Ireland and other European countries are including Kesha, that the official UK Singles Chart may do so also. I don't know why there would be such an inconsistency with this, although at this point I'd keep Kesha's name out of the articles directly relating to Billboard since they are not listing her. - eo (talk) 11:03, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Now, the Billboard is listing her name as credited, so we can put her now. Arjoccolenty (talk) 11:40, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Whew, finally - apparently someone informed them of the proper listing. I'll add her to the Billboard articles also. - eo (talk) 11:42, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

What happens if the Billboard removes it? 131.109.10.240 (talk) 17:07, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Ahaha, so they have. That's a tricky one. There's a source for it anyways, so we should just keep it.  AcroX  01:30, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Otherwise the whole thing is going to snowball again. 131.109.10.28 (talk) 11:58, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

A version of the single cover DOES credit Kesha. I uploaded it to Wikipedia. And I also know Billboard credited Kesha (but they seem to have removed her). Holiday56 (talk) 07:37, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Here we go again, looks like arguments are once again starting to heat up about Kesha. She was featured for the past year in the infobox, why change it now? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arjoccolenty (talk • contribs) 08:03, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

(←) Because it's not correct info, regardless of how long it's remained as such. Kesha does sing on the song (and that is mentioned in the article), but the single is not credited to her. Please see the reference that I recently added to the article. Billboard themselves confirmed that Atlantic Records told them not to list Kesha as a featured artist. Chase wc⁹¹ 09:21, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Its not the correct info for the US maybe, but several charts do have her as FEATURED. We can't just assume the US Charts are the only ones that matter, Arjoccolenty (talk) 02:25, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

The single cover does not give credit to Kesha, there may have been one that said this up here for awhile, but I found that image did not have a source. I found an official cover that does not credit Kesha on Flo Rida's myspace, Kesha is not a featured artist. Chase wc⁹¹ 03:57, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

How about if I were to show you this that proves she is featured? http://api.ning.com/files/5T*D6hI8HA1UXkv7pp7iXXZ*LTnryFbckf95jjIAj3TvA9WBud37hEfLSTuYRdLDsVKpVi*WOdN1uYxxwe9LF*ttBA0rV*BB/backcoverofr.o.o.t.sexclusive.jpg Arjoccolenty (talk) 12:10, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Featured credit on song ≠ featured credit on single. Atlantic has confirmed this is a Flo Rida solo single, and I have uploaded a cover from Flo's MySpace that does not credit Kesha. Please discuss and gain consensus and stop warring over something that has been officially confirmed by the record label. Chase wc⁹¹ 22:42, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

In addition, Ning is not a reliable source. Chase wc⁹¹ 22:43, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Then I hope you don't mind that I took the liberty of removing Kesha from everything that has to do with Right Round. Arjoccolenty (talk) 01:54, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't. Chase wc⁹¹ 02:22, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

(←) Another source to prove that this is not considered a Kesha single: Billboard notes that her appearance on this song was non-credited, and they also mention that she is "the first female vocalist to rise to No. 1 with her debut single ['Tik Tok'] since Lady Gaga stormed the list with 'Just Dance' in January 2009." Chase wc⁹¹ 05:20, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Just pointing out that debut might mean the first song in which they are not a featured artist. 173.69.28.155 (talk) 01:41, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Regardless, I have provided a source earlier in this discussion that Atlantic asked Billboard to remove her billing, which means she is not a featured artist. Chase wc⁹¹ 05:10, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Category

"Right Round" is categorized under Songs that sample previously recorded songs, but does it actually sample the original song "You Spin Me Round"? --Wolfer68 (talk) 21:17, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

That's what it says in the Billboard source.  AcroX  23:35, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Which source is that? The one I saw says the song "is based around Dead Or Alive's...'You Spin Round (Like a Record)'", not that it samples it.

It really is not a sample. "Right Round" just borrows the melody and has new lyrics. - eo (talk) 12:09, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

It is definitely Not a sample, that just wouldnt work. Right round is in 12/8 time and the original was in common time. It just wouldn't fit. I am going to change this from "features a sample" to "is based around." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.111.37.124 (talk) 04:52, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Music video

That is not the music video on the page there. Kesha is Caucasian if you have seen her MySpace. So, who is she? She looks like Michelle Williams of Destiny's Child. Arjoccolenty (talk) 22:50, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Just because it is not Kesha on the screen does not mean it is not a screenshot from the video... might there may be other women in the video other than her? - Adolphus79 (talk) 00:15, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Because the article says it was Kesha and that she was in the music video and I can't see it' Arjoccolenty (talk) 01:55, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

So then what you're asking for is a different screenshot of the video showing Kesha instead of one of the extras? - Adolphus79 (talk) 02:16, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

That IS Kesha according to the screenshot. Why would one of the extras sing Kesha's parts? Arjoccolenty (talk) 03:05, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Maybe I'm just lost here, but I can't find anywhere (this article or the image page itself) that says the image is of Flo Rida and Kesha, only that it is a screenshot of the video... - Adolphus79 (talk) 03:09, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Try looking at it now. It should be visible in the article. 131.109.10.28 (talk) 13:11, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't get it either but it has to be Kesha! Watch the video, the girl in the screenshot is the one that is singing in the clip! Arjoccolenty, I don't think that she has a myspace either. I looked at the one you were talking about how the pictures of her where white but look at what she has written about herself on the page. If she was a real musician I don't think she would include all that erotic info on there. Also, if an artist is official on myspace, the music search will tell you that it's official veryfied artist most of the time. This is not the case with Kesha. I'm really puzzled, hopefully we can get to the bottom of this though Child Funk (talk) 10:31, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

According to the article and source, Kesha is not credited to the song by request of her label, Atlantic, due to her desire to become successful on her own. Correctionpatrol4 (talk) 03:06, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

United World Chart.

It peaked #1 on the United World Chart. Stop Removing it. Proof: [[8]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.171.249.95 (talk) 00:00, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

The UWC is not legit and its article has been deleted per consensus at WP:AfD. See WP:BADCHARTS. - eo (talk) 01:08, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Critical Reception

Shouldn't we add something about the critical reception? it is rated 2.5 / 5 o iTunes and is usually panned by the critics as a rip-off of the orignal version, something should be added if someone can get some refferences —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.173.146.67 (talk) 07:18, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Right Round

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Right Round's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "acharts":

• From My Life Would Suck Without You: "Kelly Clarkson - Never Again global chart positions and trajectories". aCharts.us. Retrieved May 6 2007.
• From Low (Flo Rida song): "Flo Rida and T-Pain - Low worldwide chart positions and trajectories". aCharts.us. Retrieved December 28, 2007.
• From Shone: Acharts.us - Flo Rida and Pleasure P. - Shone - Music Charts
• From Dead and Gone: "T.I. and Justin Timberlake - Dead And Gone - Music Charts". αCharts. Retrieved 2009-02-19.
• From Flo Rida: "Flo Rida worldwide chart positions and trajectories". aCharts.us. Retrieved December 28 2007.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 07:06, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Sexual References

I find that this song features mild sexual references, which should be mentioned in the main article somewhere. It speaks of oral sex, strippers, and potentially prostitution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Afarila (talk • contribs) 17:29, 29 March 2009 (UTC) "Low" is the same thing. Flo Rida talks about strippers, oral sex and prostitution all the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flo Rida's Biggest Fan (talk • contribs) 01:46, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

A lot of rap music mentions sex. It's nothing unique.  AcroX  17:47, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Right Round, like Whistle, is about netball. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.230.135.196 (talk) 19:07, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Kesha or Ke$ha

Should we write her name the way that it is spelled on the cover, or the way we have it now? 131.109.10.219 (talk) 17:37, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

It should be written as Kesha as Wikipedia doesnot endorse stylisation. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 07:28, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Performed on

Comic Relief Top of the Pops 2009 special Alvin and The Chimpmunks the Squeakqual commericals and in the movie —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs) 00:19, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Live Performances

Although this is at GA status, it seems worthwhile to add a section for live performances, as Legolas suggested, since there have been a number of notable performances. Here's a some links to check out:

• Flo Rida answers the call
• Heidi Montag, Flo Rida to perform at Miss Universe Pageant
• Grad Bash '10

Torchiest (talk) 19:03, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh, there were also performances on Jimmy Kimmel and Ellen DeGeneres. Torchiest (talk) 19:08, 6 March 2010 (UTC)``

I feel that borders into unnecessary detail, since none of the performances were especially notable. –Chase (talk) 20:08, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough. I didn't have much success finding any real news about the performances, which leads me to believe you're correct. Torchiest (talk) 20:22, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Lyrics

In the published lyrics, all occurances of "down down" are exactly as such. However, in listening very carefully, it appears to some that the second male repetition of the last chorus section is sung "down town" instead of "down down." The female repetition that follows is ambiguous as to this since a drum beat seems to mask the leading consonant sound, plus her last word is a bit truncated. Is this verifiable?

In slang with the context of the song, "going down" and "going downtown" mean the same thing - oral sex. Therefore, either way, the meaning of the lyric would be unchanged. 71.118.48.27 (talk) 07:09, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, your "careful listening" is what we call original research and is not allowed here. Flo Rida's official website (not to mention, the MTV source used to cite interpretations of that line) provides the lyrics as "down down" and that is what will be used. It does not matter if they mean the same thing. –Chase (talk) 07:46, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Genre warring

Rihanna and Chase,

You both keep going back and forth, and this is going nowhere. Someone needs to find a WP:RS for their genre claim. Torchiest (talk | contribs) 23:06, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Since there are no references in the article discussing the genre, it's best to use root genres to avoid OR. Hip hop is generic enough, but electro hop and synthpop are more specific and need sources. –Chase (talk) 03:43, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Forgot that there's a reference in the article for pop rap, and I found this Allmusic source that calls it a southern hip hop song. I can't find any reliable sources calling this song electro hop or synthpop, however. –Chase (talk) 03:47, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I'd done some brief digging around and had found a mention or two of it being pop, but nothing about electro or synth anything, really. Allmusic is definitely a strong candidate for a WP:RS for the genre. Torchiest (talk | contribs) 06:18, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Just looked at your newest changes, and I'd say they are properly sourced and should not be changed again without other sources. Torchiest (talk | contribs) 06:20, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Allmusic is not reliable for Flo Rida's genre. "Southern hip hop" is not an accurate genre. The genre is more of gangsta rap sound. In an issue in the Vibe magazine June 2009 issue, his music is described as pop. Rihanna Knowles (talk | contribs) 22:01, May 3, 2010

I made a request on the WikiProject Songs talk page asking for more comment on this. Torchiest (talk | contribs) 22:26, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Ok i can understand what everyone is saying about sources etc. but can we be a little sensible and less beaurocratic about this? I recommend that the infobox says that the song is (in this order): Hip-hop, electro and pop. this i quite accurate considering all the sources and i think we can all sensibly agree that Flo Rida's verses are hip-hop, kesha's are pop and the song itself and sample have elements of electro. Notice how i've kept the genres broad? this is the best option when sources clash etc. Agree? Lil-unique1 (talk) 22:34, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi there, I saw the notice over at WT:SONGS left by Torchiest (talk · contribs) and I thought I'd chip in. Rihanna Knowles, to completely dismiss the Allmusic source solely on the fact that you don't agree with it absurd, as Allmusic is one of the most reputable online sources for music. Southern hip hop can and should be included as a genre, as this is well sourced. As far as the Vibe magazine source, I'm not entirely sure that it's enough to list pop as a genre. The source says his singles are "pop-leaning", not necessarily pop music, though this might be open to interpretation. I feel that the Vibe magazine source is insufficient to verify that this specific song is pop. — ξ^xplicit 22:56, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Lil-unique1, I disagree with your proposal as it seems to be based on WP:OR. I would like to see sources for electro/electropop. –Chase (talk) 01:01, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough... then we should base it one what the reviews and official sources say. Allmusic calls the song Souther Hip-hop. What do other reviews say? Lil-unique1 (talk) 02:31, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Electropop and Synth (digital spy), Souther hip-hop (Allmusic), rap (entertainment weekly), pop (bbc music). Based on these is the answer not: Souther hip-hop, rap, synth, electro, pop ? Lil-unique1 (talk) 02:35, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Rap and pop are fairly generic genres and we already have more specific ones (Southern hip hop, pop rap). Digital Spy review of the song says it has electro beats and uses synths, but assuming that it calls the song electro and synthpop is OR as it's grabbing for something that's not explicitly stated. –Chase (talk) 20:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Southern hip hop for a song does not appeal to a pop audience. Flo Rida's singles can't be in a category with rappers like T.I.'s type of music. Electro-hop and synthpop are accurate genres whether there stated or not because most websites do not label genres. It has a pop and synth sound and contains electro elements. Second of all, according to the Billboard Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart 'Right Round' peaked at a #63 last year, making it a dispute of leaving the genre as regular hip hop on Wikipedia. Rihanna Knowles (talk | contribs) 02:23, May 5, 2010

Genre is always a problem in popular song articles but Just by listening to this song you can tell its not southern hip hop. All of Flo Rida's songs are synthpop, Electro-hop and Hip Hop. Seriously he was on the G Force soundtrack. That ain't gangsta like southern hip hop. This is like calling the BEP west coast hip hop just beacause will.i.am is from LA. STAT- Verse 04:05, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

(to both Rihanna and Static) Sorry, but your opinions can not be used to source the genres. We have reliable sources calling it Southern hip hop and to replace those with your WP:OR genres is against Wikipedia policy. Until some sources can be provided, synthpop and electro hop will not be added. –Chase (talk) 20:30, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Right Round => Kesha Cole, not this Kesha

Please change the links and false statements that thies Kesha was singing Right Round. It was Kesha Cole. Alofok (talk) 11:18, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Incorrect. It was Kesha. There are numerous reports that Kesha was in the studio with Dr. Luke and Flo Rida happened to be recording at the same time so Kesha recorded the vocals as an unsigned and uncredited artist. She also said it was for that same reason she didnt appear in the video. Do you have a source that it was actually Keyshia Cole? regards, Lil-unique1 (talk) 14:37, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I have seen the music video, and there wasn't Kesha, it was Keysha Cole. A link with Keysha Cole and Flo-Rida. All right. The original interpret was Kesha and the actor in the clip was keysha cole. ok, now I can change it back in the german version. Thank you and bye! Alofok (talk) 10:43, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Keyshia Cole may be in the music video (I'm not sure), but Kesha is the one featured in the song. She did not appear in the video. –Chase (talk) 22:26, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

All right. Alofok (talk) 17:38, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

"Right Round" in the movie The Hangover

Here is the original statement:

"It achieved world-wide recognition by being used as the credits song for the movie The Hangover (film)."

I found two sources in the article for the movie itself:

• The Hangover at what-song
• The Hangover: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack at Amazon.com

I don't know if this is noteworthy enough to be in the lead, and I can't really find a place to insert it into the article, but if it is put into the article, it should say something like "The song was also featured in the closing credits for the movie The Hangover." That worldwide recognition part can't stay in the sentence. —Torchiest ^talk/_contribs 12:27, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

A song being in a movie is hardly notable. Unless its use in the film gained extensive coverage and is actually noteworthy, which it did not and is not, there's no point in having it here. –Chase (talk) 22:07, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

G-Dragon controversy

Maybe the G-Dragon Heartbreaker controversy could be added in here? 小龙 (Timish) # ^{xiǎolóng de xìnxiāng} 17:58, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

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