Talk:Red Flag (band)

Suicide?

Would somebody mind putting up a source for this suicide bit that people keep adding to the article? Somebody in the page history says it's a known fact, but I can't find any mention of that anywhere online. –Unint 21:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree! Where's the proof? I might as well change it to state that he was killed in a violent attack by a lion and then footnote a reference to youtube where there is a discussion about the attack. Hugonaught 02:31, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Just in case, watch out for this in the future if you haven't already. –Unint 21:56, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

need proof? ask chris, for starters... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.4.132.68 (talk • contribs) 8 May 2007

We need a source that every single reader can look up if so inclined. Asking a relative is not appropriate, for reasons of both practicality and respect. –Unint 15:05, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Unint, doesn't it appear as covering up the truth for the sake of convenience, while preventing an embarassement for the family? Mark was not a high profile individual, hence you will not find him referenced on a front page of tabloids. I guess, that was the french benefit for Mark's tragic departure. Bottom line is, those who know about the case know how he died, but for understandable reasons people would rather launder the mode of Mark's death. Once again, understandably, theoretically this should be everyone's goal for the best interest of late Mark and his family. However, that goal is in conflict with wiki's objectivity, because Mark did in fact die by comminting suicide in his garage and suffocating from carbon monoxide. Period.

Objectivity is one thing; verifiability is another. Read this: "verifiability, not truth." If this makes you become disillusioned with Wikipedia... you won't be the first, probably. But this is how it works.

Another link, quite appropriately, is WP:REDFLAG. "Exceptional claims require exceptional sources." –Unint 21:56, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

On the contrary... I am well aware of the real value of wiki's credibility when it comes to some "sensitive" issues. For example, if a person is looking for credible information about the real side effects of aspartame, monosodium glutamate, or the real exposition of alleged Moon landings as a total hoax - chances are that person will not succeed, since those types of pages are strictly controlled on wiki by paid government shills. But there's a difference between those "sensitive" pages and pages that are... not so sensitive. So, if one were to look for something on, say, Bad Boys Blue - the info on it would be pretty accurate. And, that's what makes wiki still a reliable source (despite all those "corrupted" pages). Red Flag, one would hope, is similar to the latter case. If the information on this page is obliterated - then a line is crossed, which will undermine credibility of Red Flag's story, if you will. So... ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.131.156.228 (talk) 22:58, 11 May 2007 (UTC).

Yeah? Well I just asked Chris about 10 minutes ago and he never said that so if you have other information, I'd like to know where you got it so we can reference it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.8.193.35 (talk • contribs) 11 May 2007

Really? Well, I asked him 15 minutes ago and he said you never spoke to him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.131.153.89 (talk • contribs) 11 May 2007.

Moderator-This person is making malicious changes that are contrary to the rules. Can't their IP address be blocked? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.8.193.35 (talk • contribs) 6 June, 2007

You really need to watch your mouth, unless you're really want to get blocked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.14.60.175 (talk • contribs) 8 June, 2007

Personal attacks aside, all controversial statements on Wikipedia do need to be sourced. The source for the "suicide" statement only said that he died, not that he killed himself. I changed the text accordingly. Please do not re-add the assertion that he killed himself unless you can provide a reputable source saying so. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 23:59, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

If that is the case, then any sort of mentioning of his fate should be removed from the article, that is the line referring to the events of April 7, 2003 will have to be removed all together. But no "died" will be displayed on this page instead of "suicide". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.238.50.105 (talk • contribs) 4 July, 2007.

The statement that he died is sourced. The statement that he committed suicide is not. Catch the difference? – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 23:05, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Semi-protection needed?

A varying set of anonymous contributors keeps re-adding an unsourced claim about Mark Reynolds dying by suicide, contrary to our policies, since they can provide no reference for their claim. This has been going on since December, 2006. Does anyone object to semi-protection for the article? EdJohnston 22:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree, and I semi-protected it. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 23:04, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

page protection

That's very thoughtful of you to protect the page displaying botched up claims. Whoever is behind this campaign of attempted laundering of "suicide-turned-passed-away" death mode is doing nothing but disservice.

If Chris Reynolds has something to do with it, then shame on him and on his Red Flag.

Having said that, I'll let the vermin who abuses editing muscles do the page editing, blocking, protecting, obliterating, etc.

Have fun, and I hope Chris is happy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.217.127.237 (talk • contribs)

They were/are not gothic rock.....

Gothic rock is guitar oriented music, which they never were. They were/are a synth based band.Crescentia 20:42, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Suicide? You bet your sweet ass!

Don't mean to intrude, but my brother-in-law works as paramedic in San Diego area. And he's been working there for quite a few years, including on the day when the singer "passed away". He was in the first ambulance called to the scene when Mr. Reynolds was found dead in his home's closed garage with a car still running. It was him and his partner who actually removed Mr. Reynolds body, whose cause of death has been uncertain only to the bunch of Wikipedia editors, who are very active at non-disclosing it for some odd reason. Still, those of you that claim he did not commit suicide need a reality check. USRepublican 22:45, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Please let us have your published source. Your brother-in-law is not a reliable source for Wikipedia purposes, no more than I am. There could be a death certificate, even though it's a primary source, but no-one has even come up with that. EdJohnston 05:10, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Return of the suicide vandal. On 7 August a new IP started trashing the article: 76.238.62.119 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log). He may be the same guy as the one who kept inserting the suicide rumor back in July. See this edit for the previous handiwork of 76.238.50.105 (talk · contribs). The IP address may be Southwestern Bell. Semi-protection was applied back in July to stop this vandalism, but it ran out on 3 August. EdJohnston 04:42, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Not exactly as above, but, for what it's worth, he did die from self-inflicted carbon monoxide poisoning. PlanBrecords (talk) 22:07, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

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