Talk:Price of the Modi Years

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Z1720 (talk) 20:58, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that Price of the Modi Years states that India lost 20% of its workforce under Prime Minister Narendra Modi? Source: Aakar Patel: ‘Modi shrank India’s workforce by a fifth’ Hindu
• ALT1 ... that according to the book Price of the Modi Years the popularity of Prime Minister of India Narendra Modi does not depend on his performance?

Source:moneycontrol In conclusion, Patel writes that “Modi’s popularity does not come from his performance.”

• ALT2 ... that the book Price of the Modi Years found 115 acronyms used by Modi government to be promotional?
  Source: same as above "Patel also comments on the current dispensation’s love for acronyms and alliterations—Patel provides 115 of them, which put a “PR spin to everything”."
• ALT3 ... that according to the book Price of the Modi Years Narendra Modi government had renamed and relaunched 19 existing schemes launched by earlier government?
  Source: same as above "In his book, Patel writes that the Modi-led government has only changed previously rolled-out schemes’ names and presented them anew, often using the prefix PM. Patel writes that when the Congress MP Shashi Tharoor pointed this out, saying that there were 23 such schemes, he was right about 19 of them."
• ALT4 ... that the book Price of the Modi Years noted that the Modi government had made 2,772 legal demands to censor contents and accounts on Twitter
  Source: same as above "Modi government sent Twitter 2,772 legal demands for removal of content or blocking accounts"
  • Reviewed: Exempt
  • Comment: Working to expand the article.

Created by Venkat TL (talk). Self-nominated at 07:16, 21 December 2021 (UTC).

• Article is new enough and long enough. Hook is interesting and within prescribed limits. Image of book cover is fair use and will not appear on WP front page in the DYK section. Sources check. Earwig dup detector shows no close paraphrasing to speak of. Good to go. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 20:45, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
  • @Venkat TL and Gwillhickers: Hi there! I think there's room to the book's sarcastic quip in the hook here:
    • ... that according to Price of the Modi Years, Prime Minister Narendra Modi "has not received due credit" for shrinking India's workforce by a fifth?
  • What do y'all think? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 21:47, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

• Since the article/hook has already been approved, I'll leave that up to Venkat TL We might simply want to mention that in the lede, again, if Venkat TL thinks the statement is ledeworthy. Of course I suppose you're free to make such an edit. I've no objections. Cheers. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 23:15, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

• theleekycauldron, thank you for the ALT, I think it is even better than what I had proposed. I prefer your alt over mine. Gwillhickers, it is already added in the section on Content. I have no objections to any of the ALTs. Venkat TL (talk) 09:52, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
  • I'm going to put this on hold while this and another nomination are up for discussion at WT:DYK. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 11:02, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
    • Theleekycauldron The discussion appears to be over. SL93 (talk) 07:20, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
      • @SL93 and Venkat TL: Well, the article does have a lot of substantial content now, but the book's arguments are still posed in Wikipedia's voice. That should probably be cleared up first theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 07:22, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
        • @Theleekycauldron and Venkat TL: I tried to see if I could fix the article, but the seventh reference under the content section isn't about the book. I think it should be removed. SL93 (talk) 14:24, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
          • Are you referring to this link [1]? Frontline is a reputed Indian political magazine from The Hindu. This article is about the book where the author is discussing the book's content. Venkat TL (talk) 14:28, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
            • I know that the source is reliable, but the article only says "Interview with Aakar Patel, author of ‘Price of the Modi Years’." I can see that it is an interview about the same issue, but I see nothing that says that the specific content in the interview is in the book. Maybe a proper place for that information would be in a background section. SL93 (talk) 14:33, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
              • I have no objections in moving the refs and content to more appropriate sections. Venkat TL (talk) 14:39, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

• @Theleekycauldron and Venkat TL: I made changes to the article. What do you think? SL93 (talk) 14:54, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
  • yeah, this works! I'll make some tweaks during prep, but this is good to go. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 00:05, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

• I have pulled this from prep as the article needs further work; see this discussion. Gatoclass (talk) 11:04, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
• @Venkat TL, Gwillhickers, Theleekycauldron, and SL93: Any updates on this? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:46, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
  • @Narutolovehinata5:, it is my understanding that some people are holding this DYK, saying the article needs to include praises of Modi. I am not getting any content to add into the article. So waiting for more book reviews to get published. Do you have any suggestions to resolve the impasse? Venkat TL (talk) 13:50, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
    • @Venkat TL and Narutolovehinata5: I think the hangup is that even if there are no criticisms of the book+praises of Modi out there, even if this article entirely represents due weight of secondary sourcing as written, WP:DYK#gen4 still states that Articles and hooks that ... promote one side of an ongoing dispute should be avoided. If the book hasn't broken into wide enough circulation to receive opposition, I'd say that this article shouldn't be featured on the front page. Some publications don't circulate wide enough to receive notice from critics, but that doesn't mean that those publications represent a perfect-but-partisan analysis. It just means the small sample size of the available sourcing doesn't give a neutral overview. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 08:56, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
      • theleekycauldron, I dont think it is the book that is creating the problem here. It is the media censorship in India. As with any authoritarian regime, it very hard to criticize the regime. Due to the regime's arm-twisting tactics, a criticism comes with the cost. Since the book publication, the author has been harassed by tax agencies and the book publisher (an Amazon company) has shut down shop (not sold, shut down). The book is selling well and I believe reviews will continue to come out. I did the last check couple of weeks ago, will wait for some more weeks, update the article and will ask for fresh review. Venkat TL (talk) 09:27, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
        • @Venkat TL: Well, that is an issue, but there's not much we can do about that. We've still got time, so I don't see why we can't wait a bit longer. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 09:30, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
          • No, I am not doing Wikipedia:Tendentious editing. Thanks for patience. Venkat TL (talk) 09:47, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
            • Definitely wasn't claiming you were! sorry if it came off that way theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 09:48, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

1. User Ranban282 has added a critical review of the book in the article.
2. I have expanded the content section using reliable source.
3. I found another review and added it.
4. Added ALTs 1-4

The DYK and the article are ready for a review. Venkat TL (talk) 19:30, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

• Let's get this show on the road. I made some copy edits, including some minor ones for neutrality--note the addition of "it claims" in the lead, "The book examines the potential human and economic price that it claims India will be paying". It seems obvious to me. I'm choosing ALT1, because it's not "negative"; I don't really see POV problems here in the first place, but this hook cannot be claimed to be negative, and it's properly ascribed to the book. As for the article, it could do with more copy edits, but it's good enough for the DYK section. Drmies (talk) 18:10, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Thank you Drmies for the review. I agree with all the copy edits. I had almost given up on this. Venkat TL (talk) 18:19, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
    • Promoted ALT1 to Prep 1. I added a comma after "Modi" for grammar reasons. I also read through the article and conducted some copyediting for flow and to remove idioms. I think this article is NPOV because it's clear that the work is of the author's and analysis, and thus is a summation of what's in the book. Z1720 (talk) 20:58, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Discussion of POV concerns

There is a discussion about NPOV/POV of this article at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Prep 5: Price of the Modi years - redux. Would be good for people to input there. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:58, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

About the author

Can't remember any articles where there is an 'about the author' section. Looked at a few non-fiction books: Glimpses of World History, Antifragile,The God that failed Also, the same information is being repeated verbatim in the article on Our Hindu Rashtra.

Because the author is same. Not a sufficient reason to delete. There are many articles with this info. Look more. --Venkat TL (talk) 09:24, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Frontline

@Theleekycauldron The Frontline article is available on archive.org , 6 Jan snapshot. Venkat TL (talk) 07:24, 23 March 2022 (UTC)