Talk:Noah Weinberg

Sources

Hi, this article right now has no sources, and is violating Wikipedia policy on biographies as it currently is. It also violates this particular rule, "The writing style should be neutral, factual, and understated, avoiding both a sympathetic point of view and an advocacy journalism point of view." This article is very POV in favor. I put up a need sources tag, but if its not fixed in a few days, I'll nominate it for speedy deletion until it does. The article could be good, and the person is notable in his own circles, it just lacks sources, so maybe somebody could find some. Thanks. Basejumper 20:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

If you have any examples of specific POV violations which you have found in this article, please bring them up in this TALK page here, or fix them yourself. Don't simply speedy delete the article. And please be careful, because you seem to have a personal anti-Aish HaTorah POV, for example over here: Talk:Aish_HaTorah#Controversy_Section, you noted the absence of a controversy section on the Aish HaTorah article and in your user page, User:Basejumper#About_Me you lightly criticize Rabbi Noach Weinberg for not being outwardly friendly enough. Perhaps you are the one with the POV problem, not this article? רח"ק | Talk | Contribs 00:22, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry for your upset. Let me point out that my reason for speed deletion was not the POV problems which are light and fixable. It was the lack of sources on a living person. I encourage you to add sources if you have them available, because, as I said, the individual is a living person and an unsourcesd article is not permitted. He is an interesting person and does deserve an article, this one simply breaks the rules. It would be helpful in our future discussion if we both would consult the rules of wp:civility also.

I feel, and it is important for me if you would recognize this, that asking that an article conform to the rules of a living person is not an indication of an anti-Aish Hatorah POV, and certainly not of one being pushed. Nither is wondering why a controversy section on the article about the organization is no longer there.

It is personally important for me if you would please withdraw that statement with some sort of apology or simple acknowledgement that it may have been not as appropriate as it could have been, because such statements can be seen by others as a license for hassling, following, and otherwise being uncivil, even though I know and am sure you yourself did not mean them in that way at all. If this is overly sensitive, I ask that you indulge that sensitivity on the matter of that single commentl while I certainly have taken careful note of your strong feeelings about this article.

Also your "Please be careful," comment could be interpreted by someone who is sensitive to be a threat of some sort. I acknowledge that you are probably not making a threat, but I am asking that you please reword that statement in a more careful manner just to be reassuring in this regard. Thank you for being understanding on this issue. Basejumper 15:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Still no sources

Hi, I'm bringing another urging for sourcing of the BLP. My last comment on this was three months ago and there's been no progress. I deleted the part about him controlling the network of rabbis. I've heard criticisms of some overseas branches (particularly Florida and London), and Aish reps deny he's in control of all of them or discuss the amount of control he has, and this could possibly be contentious because of such things. I deleted it until it can be sourced. Basejumper2 08:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, we're going to be able to provide plenty of source material once the hespedim come in. Stay tuned. Yoninah (talk) 09:42, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Moved from page to talk page

Rav Noach started a yeshiva a bnei brak, israel and left it growing to achieve his goal of a teachers yeshiva (currently Aish International) and then co-founded Ohr Samaech yeshiva, also currently growing; then founded Aish HaTorah in the Old City of Jerusalem so his direction of education, to educate educators of the jewish people could be established. Currently all 3 schools fulfill specific purposes in Jewish education, each unique.

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 21:10, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Tone tag

I have added a "tone" tag to the "teachings" section, as it is not suitable for an encyclopedic treatment of the subject. While it is important to note his beliefs in teachings, they must be treated from a neutral point of view and should never address the reader (ie. "taught us..."). Please do not remove this tag until the issues have been cleared up and please feel free to ask any questions on my talk page. Cheers, CP 03:41, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Categories

Dear Treesheads, the original list of categories included many umbrella topics, such as "Jews", "Judaism," "Aliyah", "Rabbis" and "Jews and Judaism in Israel" which are incredibly broad categories which have SUB-CATEGORIES, where Rabbi Weinberg and others like him rightly belong! I clicked on every single category to see what was going on, and found Rabbi Weinberg listed where no other rabbi has dared to tread! Please click on the categories I left, and you'll see what I mean. Yoninah (talk) 22:23, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

There are many categories that are overlapping, have sub-catagories, etc. These are all still valid. Why do they bother you so much? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Treesheads (talk • contribs) 23:41, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

WHen an article is in subcategories, their parent categories should not usually be present as well. Nietzsche 2 (talk) 08:14, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I also have a question about the use of the InfoRebbeBox template. This template is designed for Hasidic Rebbes and includes listings for "dynasty", "predecessor", "successor", etc. No other rosh yeshiva seems to have this box on his page, and I think it should be deleted. Yoninah (talk) 08:59, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Lung cancer, broken bones, death

The article states he had treatment, broke bones, died. Was the cancer treatment successful? Were the broken bones caused by the cancer treatment or metastasis from lung to bones? Was the cancer and / or the broken bones the cause of his death? Nietzsche 2 (talk) 08:14, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Infobox

Replaced with virtually identical infobox. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Treesheads (talk • contribs) 18:52, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Treesheads: Where did you get this idea of putting in an infobox? It does not appear on any other article of regular rabbanim, such as Aharon Feldman, Nosson Tzvi Finkel, Moshe Feinstein, etc. What's needed here is a picture, not an infobox.

And why are you putting in so many generic categories? If you read the guidelines at WP:Categorization, you will see that specific sub-categories are preferred over general supra-categories. Why in the world did you list Noah Weinberg under Category: Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah? He wasn't a gadol like the other rabbanim who are listed there. Yoninah (talk) 22:50, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Moshe Feinstein has an infobox —Preceding unsigned comment added by Treesheads (talk • contribs) 02:01, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I would agree with Treeheads regarding the infobox. However, the type of infobox and the type of information it should hold is of editorial discretion and WP:CONSENSUS applies.--brewcrewer (yada, yada)

Rosh yeshiva

He was a Rosh yeshiva. Why delete that category? Is in not accurate? Does it conform to WP standards? If not, please explain? Is is not vandalism to remove a Rosh yeshiva from the a Rosh yeshiva catagory? Treesheads (talk) 03:31, 12 February 2009 (UTC)Treesheads

Look closely, he's in Category:Rosh yeshivas. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 03:34, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Ohr Somayach

He co-founded Ohr Somayach. Do not delete that category. Treesheads (talk) 03:34, 12 February 2009 (UTC)Treesheads

Jewish outreach category

He was one of, if not the top person in the world in Jewish outreach. He founded Aish Hatorah, and co-founded Ohr Somayach. The category in not redundant. Do not delete that category. Treesheads (talk) 03:43, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Rabbi Weinberg's father was not a Rabbi.

It is stated in this article that the Rav's father was also a Rabbi. This needs to be clarified. In this (http://www.simpletoremember.com/media/a/345-19-wn790j-48-ways-19/) recording, Rabbi Weinberg says clearly that 'my father was a businessman, he wasn't a Rabbi'. Should this be changed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolfehenson (talk • contribs) 13:10, 14 May 2010 (UTC)