Talk:Moussa Dembélé (French footballer)

Impending transfer

As per WP:CRYSTALBALL he shouldn't have his current club details changed to Tottenham until it's actually happened. In fact, his current club should continue to be marked as Fulham because the deal means he stays there on loan (marking him as currently playing for his loan club as usual for on-loan players - see Wikipedia pages for any number of on-load players, such as Victor Moses, Alexandre Pato and Carl Jenkinson).

 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smoothy (talk • contribs) 19:53, 30 January 2016 (UTC) 

And further, this is a great illustration of the stupidity of changing club details before it actually happens - Dembélé isn't even actually going to be signed by Spurs Smoothy (talk) 19:56, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

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Requested move 21 August 2016

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. No evidence that first move is a COMMONNAME and that the latter is factually wrong, to answer, factual accuracy > COMMONNAME. --QEDK (T ☕ C)

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• Moussa Dembélé (French footballer) → Moussa Dembélé (footballer)
• Moussa Dembélé (Belgian footballer) → Mousa Dembélé

– I originally made this move request on the Belgian player's talk page. Only one opposition was made (and from an IP which was created that same day and has made no edits since, so possibly a sock puppet). Soccerbase, the KBVB, ESPN, the Premier League and Tottenham's own website all refer to the Belgian as Mousa, not Moussa. Unreal7 (talk) 21:57, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

I support this move, which is (on the part of the Belgian footballer) nothing more than restoring the way it was until 20 June 2016‎. The move on that date should simply not have happened in the first place. –Sygmoral (talk) 23:11, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose – Too much confusion potential if names are only distinguished by a single or double "s". I would advocate a {{distinguish}} hatnote on both pages (only one has it now). — JFG ^talk 23:46, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

His name isn't Moussa, though. See John Snow as another example of WP:SMALLDETAILS. Unreal7 (talk) 08:19, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose moving the French footballer, Support moving the Belgian one back whence it came, with the proviso that both pages carry a distinguish hatnote. The COMMONNAME of the Belgian one appears to use a single s, although his "real" name does have a double s, as the player himself confirms in ref#1 from his article, and is also confirmed by documents that use the subject's real name, as FIFA's World Cup squad list and his registration with the English Football Association. Additionally, the British media aren't consistent about using the single-s spelling for the Belgian. There's a genuine potential for confusion, so using just footballer as a disambiguator wouldn't be helpful to the reader, which is what these things are actually there for. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 12:28, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose per JFG. Too much potential for confusion. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:47, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

• Note: Opposition to moving the French player is clear, but moving the Belgian player seems feesible. Unreal7 (talk) 22:37, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

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Individual awards

Hello @Robby.is.on:, would you care to expand on your removal of the individual honours from Dembélé's page. It's commonplace across the project for monthly awards issued by the league to be included. Even Alex Ferguson has monthly awards included, which are definitely considered a significant accolade see this discussion at the Wikiproject where their significance was briefly discussed. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 21:19, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi @DUCKISJAMMMY:, I am afraid I am not able to point you to a relevant discussion or a page which mentions this convention. But I can tell you that Thierry Henry, a featured article, doesn't feature monthly awards and that I have seen individual awards being removed from the Mesut Özil page repeatedly. Regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 21:33, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

@Robby.is.on: Henry's page currently includes monthly awards, have you any idea who removed Özil's and what rationale they used. I can't see anything in the talkpage's archive, so it may not of been discussed. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 21:46, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Oh, right you are, Henry's article indeed lists "Premier League Player of the Month" and "MLS Player of the Month". I have checked the edit history for Özil and found this (by @Jaellee:), this (by @Shreerajtheauthor:) and this (also by Jaellee). There may be more. Robby.is.on (talk) 22:12, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

In that case, I'll raise the issue at WP:FOOTY tomorrow, hopefully we'll get a clear consensus one way or the other. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 22:22, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

That would be great! :-) Thanks, Robby.is.on (talk) 22:23, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

File:Moussa Dembélé Fulham.jpg

Is the man in this image actually Moussa Dembélé? As per the match report, Dembélé was not involved in the matchday squad, and to me the man looks like Ryheem Sheckleford, who did play. Thanks, Mattythewhite (talk) 01:23, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

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