Talk:Mount Herzl

Memorial plaza

the CENTRAL MEMORIAL PLAZA in the military cemetery (near to the Garden of the Missing Soldiers) is not the MOUNT HERZL PLAZA that opent the ceremony of Israel's Independence Day begins next to Herzl's grave.

Merger proposal I

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The result of this discussion was: Merge. תנא קמא (talk) 06:48, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

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I propose that National Memorial Hall (Mount Herzl) be merged into Mount Herzl. National Memorial Hall (Mount Herzl) has very little content, and in fact, the Hall has not yet been built. I think the best way to handle this would be a merge. Beastiepaws (talk) 07:35, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

• why tou want to delet articles that are different ?. maybe this Memorial is going to be like the Australian War Memorial. the construction stopped just because someone want to add the names of victims of terrorism in israel. פארוק (talk) 19:44, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
• Maybe you should have a look at WP:NOTCRYSTAL. I'm happy to have the planned memorial hall mentioned in Mount Herzl-- I just don't see that a few lines about a plan to build something needs a separate article. Beastiepaws (talk) 22:37, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
• Doesn't bother me in the slightest, either way. If it gets enough information later on, it could always be split back out again. Pesky (talk) 07:43, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

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Deletion

• Mount Herzl Disaster
• Ancient Jewish burial cave
• Mount Herzl plaza

Mitzpe Karem

it is outside of the cemetery in Jerusalem Forest near YAD VESHEM. פארוק (talk) 10:30, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose that Garden of the Missing Soldiers be merged into Mount Herzl. I think that the content in the Garden of the Missing Soldiers really only exists in the context of Mount Herzl, and the Mount Herzl article is of a reasonable size, and that the description of the Garden in the Mount Herzl article is better written and more complete than this one, anyway. Beastiepaws (talk) 07:01, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

After deleting a lot of important information i don't care. פארוק (talk) 07:15, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with having a separate article on the plot for Israeli MIAs, although it needs referencing. The Mount Herzl article could have a short description of it and a link to the main article.--Geewhiz (talk) 07:32, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with it in principle, but as it stands, the article is even stubbier than the content in Mount Herzl Beastiepaws (talk) 08:24, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

2019 merge proposal

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To not merge on the grounds that the garden is independently notable of the mountain. Klbrain (talk) 23:14, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

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I propose to merge Garden of the Missing in Action into Mount Herzl. The Garden of the Missing in Action article is very brief-- basically, just a content fork I'd like to unfork. PepperBeast (talk) 20:39, 17 January 2019 (UTC) ts

Nobody has done anything about this tag since 2012. I believe the article should be left alone. Just because it is on Mt. Herzl is no reason for it not to have a self-standing entry. In the United States, there is an entry for the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier (Arlington). Nobody has argued that it must be merged in Arlington Cemetery.--Geewhiz (talk) 07:50, 16 July 2019 (UTC) – copied from Talk:Garden of the Missing Soldiers § Old merge tag – wbm1058 (talk) 16:14, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

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More on name

Hi, I just came across this page and think it's very well done from the military cemetery point of view. However, at the end it starts discussing other things on the mountain, like Yad Vashem. It seems to me that the page should be renamed Mount Herzl Military Cemetery and a short, new page started for Mount Herzl. Best, Yoninah (talk) 10:52, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

the article covers more than just the miliary cemetery. there are other parts of the cemetery that are not military, for example. what would you put under 'mount herzl'? Soosim (talk) 11:22, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I see what you're talking about. The article does do a good job of listing all the things on Mount Herzl. I think what threw me off was the lead, that states "Mount Herzl is Israel's national cemetery", without saying whether that means the national civil cemetery or the national military cemetery. Per WP:LEAD, the lead should be rewritten to describe all the sites on the mountain. Yoninah (talk) 23:02, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

yep! Soosim (talk) 08:18, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

One might ask: I come from Baden württemberg. And Schwäbbisch is MOST Close to Jiddisch. So, if Knessetis on Mount Herzl, the Mount of REMEMBRANCE, Herzl is Schwäbisch and Bayrisch, and means, sweet little heart. so, if REMEMBRANCE is reflected to HEart, What is currently going on in Europe?? Do they Really remember the Heart for their Families ? Theodor Herzl.... The bleeding heart of Jesus. Do they Remember? I have the impression that the missionated Protestants in Southern Germany, based on Luther, and Melanchton are most of Jewish offspring. Please have a heart for our Families. Can someone point this out somehow? It is like Holocaust means Greek: Fire. and in Israel there is the Scrolls of Fire monument. I would say, there is something very strange. Please remember the heart for our families. I bet it is related. --Wikistallion (talk) 16:44, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Christian and Muslims

Christian and Muslims are also buried there. and also commemorated on the memorials. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.179.154.235 (talk) 10:18, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Christians and Muslims are not buried in Jewish cemeteries in Israel. Non-Jewish soldiers who are killed in battle, such as Druze soldiers, are buried in their hometowns. If you have a source for this information, please provide it. Yoninah (talk) 21:42, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

yoninah - there are. it might require OR by wiki standards, but they are there. there are several from daliat al-carmel, usifiyah, and tuba-zangiryye and other arab and druze villages. it is easily searchable on http://www.izkor.gov.il/SearchCity.aspx - do jerusalem/har herzl. if you want, you can export to excel and search by village, or by name (ahmed, etc.). these are actual burials and not just a memorial thing. Soosim (talk) 08:08, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

i am not sure, again, but maybe there is a way to phrase this so it is clear but vague? something like: "According to the government memorial site, both Christians and Muslims are buried in Mt. Herzl as well, though in a separate section, as per religious law." - comments? Soosim (talk) 13:02, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I am unable to search town by town in Hebrew. I did a Google and Google Book search on "Christian and Muslim burials on Mount Herzl" and found absolutely nothing, aside from our Wikipedia article ;). Your "clear but vague" sentence sounds find, Soosim, if you can provide a reliable source. Yoninah (talk) 22:50, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

there is no RS at all. and from what i can see from a few that i checked, they might not be buried at har herzl. rather, they have a stone marker there, but it is not clear if they are buried there. all are from 1948, and google searches lead me to believe that they were 'MIA', but i have no RS for it. Soosim (talk) 06:04, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

So I think we should delete the section, because Wikipedia is the only place on the net that says Christians and Muslims are buried at Mt. Herzl. Yoninah (talk) 12:36, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Soosim, your rewording and referencing note are most satisfactory. I hope I can work on this page more when I have time. Yoninah (talk) 20:50, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

and thank you. keep up the good work. Soosim (talk) 04:41, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Ancient burial cave

can you please tell me a more details about the cave ? . Shimisimi (talk) 16:24, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Nations Garden

every tree have a sign with a board that telling about the leader that visit Israel. but I don't know if it's only leaders or also diplomatic persons. Shimisimi (talk) 16:52, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Earlier names?

If the hill is 800 metres high, it's likely that it had some name before it became associated with Herzl. Any sources on what it was called during the Ottoman period, or in the Middle ages? 192.121.232.253 (talk) 11:32, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Almost 7 years on, and we're still pretending that Palestinians didn't have a name for this hill? Woooow. I hope Wikipedia goes bankrupt soon. 76.71.115.185 (talk) 01:28, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

There is no name shown on 1940s maps. The land around it was called "Esh Shikara" but that wasn't specifically for the hill. The hill is not all that prominent, so it isn't obvious that it would have its own name. (800 meters is from sea level, it is much less high relative to the surrounding countryside.) If you have more information, please tell us. Zero^talk 23:27, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

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